Availability?

[Snypr]

I've been reading the forums for months trying to put together a first cycle. I've narrowed down my choices to a combination of 2 or more of the following; Sus250, Primo, Deca, Dbol, Anavar, HGH, Winny & Clen. Before I get too far into it, are the commonly recognized names actually available from one source or another? or are there some that are next to impossible to get( I can cross them off the list.) Besides availability, I'm way more concerned about contamination than I am about saving money, so cost will not be a barrier. Any help greatly appreciated.

 

[Apexx]

1st cycle is simple, 250mg - 500mg per week of test. I'd recommend test-enanthate or sustanon 250.

You may or may not respond well to test, but it's always a good idea to see how you react to that alone before combining compounds.

 

[Snypr]

Thanks for the response. I guess it does make sense to be conservative in the beginning. I'll probably go w/ sustanon only, to start.

 

[c17]

what about deca at 400 and test at 250 is this good

 

[wellbilt]

keep your first cycle simple bro do not combine deca and test if you dont know how you react to either one you will not know how to combat side effectsw or whats causing it i think a great first cycle would be 250 mg test eoither sus or test enan for 10-12 weeks plan out a good pct and yu should be golden most people will say 250 mg is too low but i think its plent for a first time user to get good gains as long as training and diet are up to par just my 2 cents bro keep it simple

 

[Raffaz2005]

First cycle i ever done was 250mg sust every 5 days for 10 weeks. Added 20lbs. Just remember to eat well, use liver protectants, and get your PTC stuff sorted before you start.

 

[wellbilt]

First cycle i ever done was 250mg sust every 5 days for 10 weeks. Added 20lbs. Just remember to eat well, use liver protectants, and get your PTC stuff sorted before you start.

thats what iam talikin about those sre some great results for that dosage i nwish more people would kep their dosages reasonable and concentrate more on training and diet then drugs to make gains i see peeps in the gym use a gram a weeki sof various things with minor results due to poor diet and training

 

[Snypr]

First cycle i ever done was 250mg sust every 5 days for 10 weeks. Added 20lbs. Just remember to eat well, use liver protectants, and get your PTC stuff sorted before you start.

I've heard of PCT, but what do you use as a liver protectant? I've been a mod/hvy drinker for 12+ years(I would definitely stop before starting a cycle):this is something I'm sure I would need.

 

[LVTitan]

I've heard of PCT, but what do you use as a liver protectant? I've been a mod/hvy drinker for 12+ years(I would definitely stop before starting a cycle):this is something I'm sure I would need.

milk thistle, NAC, tylers liver detox,
you dont need to think about any of that other shit yet like primo/var/hgh/etc etc etc... first few cycles simple, some test, then some deca/dbol ...

 

[Apexx]

I've heard of PCT, but what do you use as a liver protectant? I've been a mod/hvy drinker for 12+ years(I would definitely stop before starting a cycle):this is something I'm sure I would need.

You've "heard" of PCT. Your PCT is just as important as the actual cycle.
Do yourself a favor and find out everything there is to know about Post Cycle Therapy before you start your cycle. You don't want to bust you ass in the gym for 2-3 months only to see your gains vanish because of poor planning.

 

[Apexx]

what about deca at 400 and test at 250 is this good

Not for a first cycle. The idea is to see how you react to test only, then apply that knowledge toward future cycles.

Also, deca tends to shut down your libido pretty hard, so you would want the test to outweigh the deca to counteract this effect.

 

[Gym Bulldog13]

Do a lot of people react negatively to deca? Also, is there a problem of being able to "get up" if you incorporate deca?

 

[Apexx]

Do a lot of people react negatively to deca? Also, is there a problem of being able to "get up" if you incorporate deca?

Obviously everyone is different, but yes a lot of people (myself included) do get shut down pretty hard from deca.

 

[Raffaz2005]

I've heard of PCT, but what do you use as a liver protectant? I've been a mod/hvy drinker for 12+ years(I would definitely stop before starting a cycle):this is something I'm sure I would need.

Inormally use solgar milk thistle and LIV 52, definately come off the drink when your on the gear, and increase your water intake aswell.

 

[Raffaz2005]

Do a lot of people react negatively to deca? Also, is there a problem of being able to "get up" if you incorporate deca?

People react differently to different drugs, thats why you need to try them one at a time to see how things go, if you throw a few things in the mix and get problems, you wont know the cause. The issue with the deca your refering to is "deca dick" never had it myself, but i know a few who have. Which highlights my point about different reactions with different people.

Mick

 

[Judo Tom]

apexx great posts.. you should definately listen up..


test only is a great first cycle..
pct is very important.. go read the board

good luck

 

[LVTitan]

Do a lot of people react negatively to deca? Also, is there a problem of being able to "get up" if you incorporate deca?

test e 500mg deca 300mg... no prob getting up, always wanted it, just makes you last a little longer, whats the problem with that ?

 

[chyllaxyn]

Apexx , Excellent Advice bro! .

One thing I've noticed on elite boards compared to every other place. The genuine health first attitude from everyone!

 

[wls8687]

Just promise me you wont drink while you'r on cycle.. you don't wanna know what could happend

 

[Snypr]

Just promise me you wont drink while you'r on cycle.. you don't wanna know what could happend

My plans are to stop drinking 4 weeks before cycle and drink mostly water. I'm not an alcoholic or anything, but I have a feeling I might give in once or twice. I'm hoping not, but I admit that my discipline isn't what it used to be.