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Atkins diet is a LIE!?!?!

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I was watching this programme on TV last night about the Atkins diet and they basically said (after doing lots of testing on people for sometimes up to a couple of years) that the only reason people lose weight on atkins is beacuse protein makes you feel 'full up', they said that it probably had nothing to do with ketosis, nothing to do with the high fat intake and nothing to do with low intake of carbs.
They did a test with two twin brothers, for about a week (I think, I had just tuned in when this bit was on), kept in seperate rooms whilst constantly being monitered, one was on the Atkins diet and the other a low-fat diet, apparently the twin on atkins over thw whole week burned only 20 more calories that the other twin and they said that the ketones that were found in his urine totalled up to less than a single calorie.
They also said that when the body has to use protein or fat as fuel, the process use no more calories than when it uses carbs.
I didn't really know what to think when I had finished watching!
 
What show was this?
And...do we really care the why-fors as long as more protein helps us build muscle and loose weight. I just feel overall healthier when I eat veggies and protein, with few carbs or only 1 carb day a week. Don't you?
 
I must admit, I do feel healthier while on CKD but some of the things this show were saying were stupid!
The funniest one was that ketosis had nothing to do with the weight loss on atkins?!?!? WTF?
 
Yep! And ketones are expelled through your urine and breath, if I remember correctly. Normally if I have been eating carbs and then switch to a no carb diet...man, I can REALLY taste a difference. I have to chew gum or something for a few days. So...for me I think that I do go in to ketosis on low carb, but that is just my gut instinct.
 
You are totally right about the anpb diet. I did that before Xmas to slim up for my traveling/family visits. Holy Hell. Worked great and I was definately burning the fat and expelling ketones. I plan on going back on the anpb in the near future, just lost my taste for peanut butter for a few weeks. Heehee;)
 
The reason most people lose wt on atkins IS because they end up consuming fewer calories. You will lose some additional calories through expelled ketones. your body will burn the most amount of fat through the krebs cycle, which is slowed considerably in low carb diets. the problem is it is hard to "dial-in" the correct amounts of carbs for most people to burn maximum fat, which end up producing less impressive results. low carb diets are much less tempermental.
 
I don't have a link to the test, I just happened to turn the TV on ast night and the show was about 10mins in to it.
 
how can you possibly believe a test done on two subjects??

really!

i am 41 years old and until i was 40 i poohood lo carb diets from the inception over 21 years ago when i first heard about dr atkins
i finally tried it on my 41st birthday and while i did it incorrectly by consuming too much protien and not enough fat i STILL lost 50 pounds of fat and 6.5 inches around my waist in less than 3 months

i never went into deep ketosis

i am on atkins for a month and alternate with ckd another month
and i consume aprox 50 g carb a day still losing a pound a week
when i get to where i want to i believe 65 grams of carbs will be my maintence intake

i have done much research in this field and have developed many recipes for ckd/atkins

there are several points to atkins i would like to revise
but that will probably be discussed in a book i am writing
lol

how are you doing ljf?
losing weight?
 
this is exactly why you never wanna believe all you see on tv.

it is a physiological fact that when glucose stores are low enough, the body begins to convert protein to glucose via gluconeogenesis, and converts fats to ketones.

that's why too much protein can keep you out of ketosis (or it'll take longer to reach ketosis), due to the glucose being generated from gluconeogenesis.

my understanding of the atkins diet is that for most people it typically has more fat and less protein than a typical bodybuilders CDK diet, so it ketosis would definitely be going on with atkins.

and as far as protein making you feel full......BULLSHIT. ask anyone what macro is the most filling and they're gonna say carbs (there are physiological reasons for this also). try eating a protein only meal and staying full for an extended time period.

i'd have to say that program was pure bullshit.
 
obiwan9962 said:
how can you possibly believe a test done on two subjects??

really!

i am 41 years old and until i was 40 i poohood lo carb diets from the inception over 21 years ago when i first heard about dr atkins
i finally tried it on my 41st birthday and while i did it incorrectly by consuming too much protien and not enough fat i STILL lost 50 pounds of fat and 6.5 inches around my waist in less than 3 months

i never went into deep ketosis

i am on atkins for a month and alternate with ckd another month
and i consume aprox 50 g carb a day still losing a pound a week
when i get to where i want to i believe 65 grams of carbs will be my maintence intake

i have done much research in this field and have developed many recipes for ckd/atkins

there are several points to atkins i would like to revise
but that will probably be discussed in a book i am writing
lol

how are you doing ljf?
losing weight?
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Exactly. I lost 50lbs on Atkins when I did it a couple of years back too. I cheated, I used caffine and ephedra too, but I kept the carbs extremely low.

I will have to be watching for you book to come out. LOL.
 
and as far as protein making you feel full......BULLSHIT. ask anyone what macro is the most filling and they're gonna say carbs (there are physiological reasons for this also).

I think a lot of it is the high fat in the atkins that fills you up. fiber and carbs are probably close behind, in that order.
 
thats buttshit.. when i eat protien and veggies i dont get filled up.. im hungry in the next 45 mins.. i can eat a whole tombstone and be hungry in 45 mins.. atkins works. my mom lost 25 pound in 2 month w/o cardio.. and 20g of carbs a day. ive been on it for 5 days and lost 3 pounds..

my pants fit bette already..

one question though.. my piss is starting to smell real bad.. is this from the diet?
 
TheOak84 said:
thats buttshit.. when i eat protien and veggies i dont get filled up.. im hungry in the next 45 mins.. i can eat a whole tombstone and be hungry in 45 mins.. atkins works. my mom lost 25 pound in 2 month w/o cardio.. and 20g of carbs a day. ive been on it for 5 days and lost 3 pounds..

my pants fit bette already..

one question though.. my piss is starting to smell real bad.. is this from the diet?
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Yup and watch out for the breath to follow too. And even your sweat will be worst too. Basically every thing you excrete will have a slightly different stench to it. But when I did it, I found you can dilute this significantly by drinking more water. And it helps loose weight faster too.
 
The Atkins diet isn't a lie. It says it will help you lose the fat off your body, and that's exactly what it will do.

It's simple biomechanics. young guns pretty much hit the nail on the head. But you don't have to know anything about ketosis or all of that to know the basic principles behind why the diet works. In laymans term's, the Atkins diet is pretty simple science. The body uses 3 main macromolecules for energy: carbohydrate, fat, and protein, in that order. When your body runs out of carbs, the next primary source of energy that it will burn are the fat stores on your body. It has nothing to do with being full or eating less or anything of that nature.

Now as to whether or not it's actually healthy.. that's an entirely new debate..
 
>The body uses 3 main macromolecules for energy: carbohydrate, fat, and protein, in that order. When your body runs out of carbs, the next primary source of energy that it will burn are the fat stores on your body.

No flame. This is actually not true, the biology and chemistry behind this is *very* complicated. A lot of what you start burning on these diets is dietary protein. That really replaces the carbs, rather than bodyfat. Some bodyfat will also be burned, but it's not a simple fuel source switch.
 
rtdoplex said:
The Atkins diet isn't a lie. It says it will help you lose the fat off your body, and that's exactly what it will do.

It's simple biomechanics. young guns pretty much hit the nail on the head. But you don't have to know anything about ketosis or all of that to know the basic principles behind why the diet works. In laymans term's, the Atkins diet is pretty simple science. The body uses 3 main macromolecules for energy: carbohydrate, fat, and protein, in that order. When your body runs out of carbs, the next primary source of energy that it will burn are the fat stores on your body. It has nothing to do with being full or eating less or anything of that nature.

Now as to whether or not it's actually healthy.. that's an entirely new debate..
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So based on this principle you will only burn bodyfat when the body has run out of carbs...this is just not true
 
faller said:
>The body uses 3 main macromolecules for energy: carbohydrate, fat, and protein, in that order. When your body runs out of carbs, the next primary source of energy that it will burn are the fat stores on your body.

No flame. This is actually not true, the biology and chemistry behind this is *very* complicated. A lot of what you start burning on these diets is dietary protein. That really replaces the carbs, rather than bodyfat. Some bodyfat will also be burned, but it's not a simple fuel source switch.
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I agree that the chemistry behind why the diet works is complicated, but I disagree with your elaboration. When on a low carb diet your body does NOT primarily burn protein.

Basically what your body does when it has no CHO molecules to work with is it breaks down fat and uses the ketones derived from fat as it's primary energy source. The reason your body does this instead of using protein is fundamentally because fat is an extremely rich energy source (9 calories per gram/dietary) and protein is a moderate energy source but is very hard to break down into useable energy. Once stored in the body it is estimated that 1 pound of bodyfat is equivalent to 3500 calories, and it requires far less conversion and breakdown to access that than it would trying to draw from protein stores. Carbohydrates are the most efficient energy source and proteins are by far the least efficient.

edit: Nikoli, I stated in my post that in LAYMAN's terms (simple terms), that's why the Atkins diet helps people trim down. Obviously the human body does not burn macromolecules in that ladder form and I never claimed it did either. I think it would take the most knowledgeable members of this board days and months to explain how it actually works. That's why in college, courses on this stuff are 20 weeks long. There's no way anything is even close to that simple. :)
 
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Its a great diet to get ripped on. I know because my freinds did it really fast. They took fat burners w/ephedra and cardio + weights. The end rewsult was them being vascular mofo's.

I have been on it for a few weeks and doing great.
 
I have a question:

how or why is it that the body will produce keytones from body fat when protein converts to glucose at 58% and fat converts to glucose at only 10%??? what faller said makes more sense, that the body will use protein for energy.

i think possibly the reason people expel so many keytones is due to the dietary fat, don't you?

please enlighten me.
 
Everyone I've know that has tried or is on Atkins now loses the hell out of weight. I think the results speak for themselves. For one thing, notice that most low carb foods contain less calories. That is probably one reason right there. But also, the sugars and things that are avoided contribute as well. I think it is great. Bam
 
ok, i agree that they may lose weight. what i am mostly concerned about is loss of muscle mass. eat too few carbs and you’ll end up weak, flat, pumpless, and with little to no vascularity. chronically eating inadequate carbs will keep you from growing and more likely you’ll end up shrinking.
 
obiwan9962, that's impressive. are you totally natural?

out of curiosity, how do you calculate exactly how many lbs of fat you've lost vs. muscle gained?
 
mcbruiser said:
obiwan9962, that's impressive. are you totally natural?

out of curiosity, how do you calculate exactly how many lbs of fat you've lost vs. muscle gained?
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yes i am natural unless you contain vitamins minerals and amino acids
the trainer at the Y helped me figured it out
before that i was using http://www.mybodycomp.com
to give me a rough estimate
 
obiwan9962 said:
yes i am natural unless you contain vitamins minerals and amino acids
the trainer at the Y helped me figured it out
before that i was using http://www.mybodycomp.com
to give me a rough estimate
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no, i don't count vitamins and aminos, but watch out... it's only a matter of time before the gov't bans those, too! :p
 
mcbruiser said:
no, i don't count vitamins and aminos, but watch out... it's only a matter of time before the gov't bans those, too! :p
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the feds can kiss my yellow hairy arse
up here in canada aminos are just recently been legalized for sale otc
but i could still get them
i use arginine
theanine
tyrosine ( i am hypothryroid)
and methionine
 
great thread. I don't understand how you can gain muscle while doing atkins. was it while you were in ketosis or a later stage that had moderate carbs in it? Also Ive been in ketosis for around 10 days i thought i would have dropped a little more by now. but as far as being full, i dont believe i have felt full in the last 2 weeks.
 
LetsGoMurphys said:
great thread. I don't understand how you can gain muscle while doing atkins. was it while you were in ketosis or a later stage that had moderate carbs in it? Also Ive been in ketosis for around 10 days i thought i would have dropped a little more by now. but as far as being full, i dont believe i have felt full in the last 2 weeks.
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you can but it is a slower process and the muscle mass is not a great a gain as if you were on ckd
ckd is similiar to atkins induction plus one or two carb up days
how are you gauging ketosis
ketostix are not that reliable
i used em
never went into deep ketosis but still lost lots of weight
and are you going by a mirror or a scale
do not trust a scale
trust how your clothes fit
and how you look in the mirror
and do not judge daily
do it once a week at the most
i work with a guy that has seen me daily and has thought i lost no weight
but i have my trainer and doctor and records to prove otherwise
if you are looking for weight loss go atkins
if you are looking to cut while gain muscles use ckd
if you just want to safe try south beach
 
my stix are showing moderate ketones, but from what i understand you do not want to see real large amounts show up on the stix because that means you are not drinking enough water. the scale hasnt moved much in the last week. i definetly lost some weight. i am going to attempt to cut cals this week and possibly bump up the cardio another 10 minutes a session. i do want weight loss but i dont want to look real skinny i would like to hold on to some of my muscle, yet i have a fat way to go as far as fat loss.
 
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