Asking for advice on a few things....

[p3ppers]

Ill start off by giving you information I know is important for you to help me. I train 4-5 d/ per w/ and that is professional quality training form certified friends for gaining. I am playing hockey once a week which has made me quit smoking and I think shows how bad my lungs and I suppose cardio has become. Im eating right, I mix fruit with several protein shakes throughout the day and balance out my carbs, and whole foods etc..

I weigh 205 pounds at about 5'10, I am definitley not lean, but the majority of my body is as a mesomorph with predominant muscularity. I have definitly made some gains since I started cycling on t-400 (cypionate enthanate, decasomething) at 1200 cc every week. I am out of the stuff and plan on switching to super test 450.

In over one month now, I have not felt anything significant but my gear is definitley not fake, and I am wondering when will the full effects come out? My job is not very physical so im wondering can I adjust my training to better compensate? If my first 3 injetions where 1 week apart and my fourth injeciton was 2 weeks apart, (because I somewhat injured myself accidentally by doing it myself the third time)am I hurting my gains? I plan on doing a smaller amount of st-450 in 5 day intervals from now on. And I plan on joining back at my old MMA gym which is a couple hours a day of p90x style working out and Im not sure if I should be mixing weight training with this intense training. Sorry if I forgot key specifics, any help is greatly appreciated on how to improve and what to focus on to go farther. Thanks

 

[SouthernLord]

How old are you?

 

[Rachel...lol]

Ill start off by giving you information I know is important for you to help me. I train 4-5 d/ per w/ and that is professional quality training form certified friends for gaining. I am playing hockey once a week which has made me quit smoking and I think shows how bad my lungs and I suppose cardio has become. Im eating right, I mix fruit with several protein shakes throughout the day and balance out my carbs, and whole foods etc..

I weigh 205 pounds at about 5'10, I am definitley not lean, but the majority of my body is as a mesomorph with predominant muscularity. I have definitly made some gains since I started cycling on t-400 (cypionate enthanate, decasomething) at 1200 cc every week. I am out of the stuff and plan on switching to super test 450.

In over one month now, I have not felt anything significant but my gear is definitley not fake, and I am wondering when will the full effects come out? My job is not very physical so im wondering can I adjust my training to better compensate? If my first 3 injetions where 1 week apart and my fourth injeciton was 2 weeks apart, (because I somewhat injured myself accidentally by doing it myself the third time)am I hurting my gains? I plan on doing a smaller amount of st-450 in 5 day intervals from now on. And I plan on joining back at my old MMA gym which is a couple hours a day of p90x style working out and Im not sure if I should be mixing weight training with this intense training. Sorry if I forgot key specifics, any help is greatly appreciated on how to improve and what to focus on to go farther. Thanks

What is your training split? How's your sleep? How many calories are you taking in? What are you eating aside from your protein/fruit? How often are you eating?

 

[goal245]

what is your goal?

 

[p3ppers]

I am 22, I eat a lot but nothing processed, Probably about 7 meals a day of very small portions, and 2 out of the 7 being enought to make me full but not to full. Thats not including shakes, Id say im eating around 4-5k calories a day. My training is Chest mond, Back tues, legs wed, shoulders thurs, friday Bis, Every morning I do a few sets of different pull ups when after I wake up and stretch. Sometimes with work and hockey I will miss a shoulders day or a back day or even legs occasionally in the past 5 weeks of doing this.

 

[d_rson]

Can you clarify what you are on? T-400 with "decasomething". And 1200cc, you mean 3cc / 1200mg? And you are shooting only once a week, and you even skipped a week one week? And now "you're out" of t-400 and wanting to switch to something else. Is this all planned?

I think you are on t-400 which is a mix of only test with different esters, but you're one month in so you should start feeling it, but you said you missed an inject, and now you're out and only doing once a week...So I don't know sounds like it's all poorly planned and you've only delayed the kickin until week 5 or 6.

Is this your first cycle?
What is your cycle plan?

 

[p3ppers]

I threw out the bottle so I dont know the deca is, I know its not decadurabolin, Its liqua tech t-400, and I my first shot was 400ml, the next three where 1200ml, and my fourth shot was delayed a week. I planned on switching to super test 450 after this first vial. This is my first cycle of only the test. I wanted to feel the first amount of test before I shorted intervals of injections and upped the potency of my test. I plan on 1-2 week after my fourth shot possibly starting the super test 450 and doing around 800-1000ml every 5 days.

 

[d_rson]

I threw out the bottle so I dont know the deca is, I know its not decadurabolin, Its liqua tech t-400, and I my first shot was 400ml, the next three where 1200ml, and my fourth shot was delayed a week. I planned on switching to super test 450 after this first vial. This is my first cycle of only the test. I wanted to feel the first amount of test before I shorted intervals of injections and upped the potency of my test. I plan on 1-2 week after my fourth shot possibly starting the super test 450 and doing around 800-1000ml every 5 days.

I don't understand what you're doing. I'm sure you mean 400mg (1cc or 1ml) and 1200mg (3cc or 3ml) and not 400ml and such.

So you took 400mg the first week, 1200mg week 2, 3, and skipped week 4, but pinned on week 5. 1200mg of test is a ton for a 205lb'er and you plan to up it when you go on the S450. Are you using anything to control the bloat?

And then you plan to do 800mg to 1000mg every 5 days of the superTest? S450 has short esters in it, meant for every 3 days at min.

As asked before, what is your cycle plans? What is your cycle history?
It seems like you are winging it here.

 

[SouthernLord]

This cycle is a disaster bro.

Do you have anything lined up for PCT?

I think your best bet would be to stop this cycle, run a pct, and further research aas.

 

[RADAR]

^^^^^^ Agree 100% Thats crazy


RADAR

 

[d_rson]

This cycle is a disaster bro.

Do you have anything lined up for PCT?

I think your best bet would be to stop this cycle, run a pct, and further research aas.

+1 ^^^^

That's what I am trying to get at. I don't think there's a solid plan behind this and it's going to end in disaster. But I'm giving the benefit of the doubt until I see exactly what the plans were (if any).

I don't know where the goal is, cause it looks like a BIG bulker cycle, but yet there's plans for P90X and MMA gym stuff.

 

[RickO'Shea]

I too agree with Southern Lord. Somethin's not right, and you need to scrap it, do PCT, wait for a year or so while you do more research then go at it again

 

[p3ppers]

Sorry I forgot to mention, I have clomid and novladex on hand in case I need it, I am aware of being ready for certain side effects, Basically All ive done wrong so far is miss my third injection. The other types of excercise are going to be incorporated during pct and cutting. with that being said am I still on track?

 

[p3ppers]

My goal is to see how far the 3 cc or 1 full syringe of test effects me, than move on to the super test in a few days as my next injection. I am looking to mass up as much as possible and from what Ive learned I do not need anything other than test because I already have some fat, I am already mostly muscle however from working out about 6 months prior to this. Basically one thing I need to learn is about diet, Im trying to eat clean without 1000 calorie shakes and junk food, which makes eating 5k calories a day difficult. Where Im at now from the test Ive added a couple inches around my biceps, and moved down two belt holes from losing stomach fat. S|orry to scare you guys Im not gonna stop I havent had any problems im more just curious because the t-400 took about 4 weeks before I noticed it kick in a little bit.

 

[d_rson]

Again, what is your cycle plan? How many weeks, how much, when to start PCT, etc etc etc.

Clomid and Nolva AIN'T gonna cut it for PCT at over 1g of test a week. What are your PCT plans?

p3ppers, no offense, but this is very irresponsible - you want to find out how the test will effect you, but you jump into over 1g a week, and all LONG esters too. What if something would have happened - you'd have all that test in your system for 3+ weeks!

If you're not gonna stop, then atleast post your complete cycle plan and all the gear you have so we can help get you into something responsible and that you won't end up losing in PCT. And diet isn't about cutting out the junk and weight gainer shakes, it's about eating clean - which means corn becomes a junk food. White potatoes become candy. White bread becomes multi-grains, 3 meals become 8-10 meals, etc.

Also, you posted you have "seen gains" from the test, but then you wondered "when will it kick in" because you haven't "seen anything yet" but yet you've added a couple inches around your biceps (in 4 weeks???) and lost two belt holes (2 inches) on your waist (in 4 weeks???)...

Something doesn't sound right.

 

[p3ppers]

Ok so basically I am being taken care of by a few guys i train with that have been on the stuff for a while. They have everything I need to counter estrogen side effects(im just trying to learn more without bugging them to much since they keep it a secret from their girlfirends and such.. And basically Ive been instructed to inject for 3 months before pct. I was wondering when this will kick in in full effect, and I beleive that my intense training which started before I was injecting has given me gains without the help of steriods. I am eating clean, my diet is really good Ive always ate healthy anyways, now im just eating by the clock for effeciency. I jumped up my dosage in test because the guys I train with say they wish they did 3 cc instead of 2cc in their first month and recomended I try it. I plan on lifting weights primarily full time for at elast a month after injections to keep my gains, and I plan on a more compact full body weight training schedule mixed with hockey and mma for the cutting, approx 1 1/2 - 2 months after finishing injections. I am new to this sorry for the confusion I will try my best to do things properly.

 

[d_rson]

Ok so basically I am being taken care of by a few guys i train with that have been on the stuff for a while. They have everything I need to counter estrogen side effects(im just trying to learn more without bugging them to much since they keep it a secret from their girlfirends and such.. And basically Ive been instructed to inject for 3 months before pct. I was wondering when this will kick in in full effect, and I beleive that my intense training which started before I was injecting has given me gains without the help of steriods. I am eating clean, my diet is really good Ive always ate healthy anyways, now im just eating by the clock for effeciency. I jumped up my dosage in test because the guys I train with say they wish they did 3 cc instead of 2cc in their first month and recomended I try it. I plan on lifting weights primarily full time for at elast a month after injections to keep my gains, and I plan on a more compact full body weight training schedule mixed with hockey and mma for the cutting, approx 1 1/2 - 2 months after finishing injections. I am new to this sorry for the confusion I will try my best to do things properly.

You're buds are your buds, but they are steering you WRONG dude. They should have more respect for you. They should know that you're not going to feel the test for 4-5 weeks on long esters, so saying they wished they would have used 3cc instead of 2 indicates their lack of knowledge.

Personally, I'd get on a plan now - actually, I'd stop, go into PCT in a couple weeks, and do some more research, but you said you're not going to stop, so.... Get your OWN stuff, and follow your OWN protocol, because what works for them may not work for you. The stuff your dumping into your system with no real plan can leave you with no natural test production for the rest of your life.

What's your blood pressure been running?
Are you developing Gyno?
Do you have water retention?
Do you have an anti-estrogen available?
If you start to retain water and grow man tits, what are you going to do?
When do you start PCT in comparison to your last injection?
What are you going to run during PCT and for how long?
Do you realize that S450 is to be injected every 2-3 days?

If you don't have answers to these questions, you shouldn't be cycling at all, because what is going to happen is you are going to start to feel the test, your nipples are going to get sore, you're going to start to blow up, you're going to either panic and stop, or continue, and maybe you'll gain some muscle, but then you'll roll into PCT, mess it up, lose it all, and feel the worst you have ever felt.

 

[p3ppers]

I have no side effects thus far except for thoughts of raping my girlfriend a few times a day.
No gyno, No bloating or water retention.
My one buddy who is also a certified personal trainer, has had gyno and has the necessary estrogen inhibitors and what not to take care of it, and he said he has everything I need for any particular problems when and If I need it.

I think everyone here is getting ahead of themselves. Safety measures and PCT are being worked out for me by friends who have been through all of this and have all the necessary supplements on hand.

I do agree about the super test, These guys are injecting my one buddy who is also just starting, hes doing 2cc super test every 5 days, and the rest of them are mixing many different types of test into two full syringes or 6 cc (3 on each glute) every 5 days of mixed test.

The PCT and gyno issues are not an issue Im mainly inquiring about what to expect with the 3 cc of liqua tech t-400 im injecting looking to hear from someone with similar experience with similar compounds.

 

[methadone]

1200mg a week? really?

i bet you would of made the same gains with 500mg a week.

If you dont already have your training down to a T, you shouldnt be doing juice.
If you dont have your cycle planned out and have everything before you started, you shouldnt be on juice.
If you dont know how many times a week you should be injecting, you shouldn't be on juice.

 

[KenBraggofCarroltonGA]

I have no side effects thus far except for thoughts of raping my girlfriend a few times a day.
No gyno, No bloating or water retention.
My one buddy who is also a certified personal trainer, has had gyno and has the necessary estrogen inhibitors and what not to take care of it, and he said he has everything I need for any particular problems when and If I need it.

I think everyone here is getting ahead of themselves. Safety measures and PCT are being worked out for me by friends who have been through all of this and have all the necessary supplements on hand.

I do agree about the super test, These guys are injecting my one buddy who is also just starting, hes doing 2cc super test every 5 days, and the rest of them are mixing many different types of test into two full syringes or 6 cc (3 on each glute) every 5 days of mixed test.

The PCT and gyno issues are not an issue Im mainly inquiring about what to expect with the 3 cc of liqua tech t-400 im injecting looking to hear from someone with similar experience with similar compounds.

your buddies-6cc every five days?
and you-3cc of t400.
wow

 

[KenBraggofCarroltonGA]

test overkill.

 

[p3ppers]

Well at least i know I didnt over do it. Thanks for all the info, now I know when I switch to the super test to inject every 3 days and to not use as much cc probably just 2cc? What would you guys recomend taking into consideration i over did it with 3 cc on t-400 and now im switching to super test 450

 

[downunder hunter]

Well at least i know I didnt over do it. Thanks for all the info, now I know when I switch to the super test to inject every 3 days and to not use as much cc probably just 2cc? What would you guys recomend taking into consideration i over did it with 3 cc on t-400 and now im switching to super test 450

Your not really taking in anything bro, why dont you post up your training split, diet, cycle plan if you even have one, pct etc and then you will get some decnet advice off the eperienced guys on here. You should be in control and have an understanding of what you are even doing bro and not relying on your buddies to tell you everything and put you on stuff that you dont even know what it is or does, do some research for gods sake and good luck

 

[goin on 4T]

This is a joke.

 

[d_rson]

Well at least i know I didnt over do it. Thanks for all the info, now I know when I switch to the super test to inject every 3 days and to not use as much cc probably just 2cc? What would you guys recomend taking into consideration i over did it with 3 cc on t-400 and now im switching to super test 450

Listen, I fear for you, this is why I am going to say this. Stop. You have no idea what you are doing and you risk really hurting yourself. You're budy is doing 6cc of super test? Dude, you're friends are idiots. I'm not trying to be a jerk, but this whole situation is messed up and what lands people into a hospital. You say your buds "know what they are doing" - they haven't a clue. Just because everyone goes 85 in a 65 doesn't mean someone's not going to pay the price at some point. That's what you are doing - you're seeing your buds cruising along doing stupid crap, and you want in, but low and behold you end up the one paying the price.

Go on PCT now.

And answer all the questions posed here so we can help you with a "real" cycle, way down the road when you take in everything and get everything lined up.

 

[p3ppers]

my mistake I mis - typed but meant "At least I know now that I over did it."

 

[d_rson]

my mistake I mis - typed but meant "At least I know now that I over did it."

That's all the response you've got?