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needtogetaas
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well formastan its self has nothing in common at all with nolva or clomid but forma-stanzol does. Nolva and clomid are serms and they block estrogen at the ER thus stopping it from having any effects on the ER. Well they do not block estrogen, but rather they take up the spot in the ER that estrogen would normally take up so that estrogen cant get in and do its job.
However when on nolvadex or clomid the level of estrogen in your body does not go down but rather it goes up!!!!. You see, Nolvadex only blocks estrogen that's already in your body but it does not in anyway effect test from converting to estrogen. In fact by stopping the estrogen from entering the ER it causes your body to create both more testosterone AND ESTROGEN
let no one ever forget this. Your bodies level of estrogen goes up well taking nolvadex or clomid not down and anyone who has read a study or two and has been around a wile knows this. This is why it is very very very common for nolvadex and or clomid to cause what is known as "rebound gyno" if you use these product for pct with out a Ai or even better a "suicide aromatase inhibitor" (which is what forma-stanzol is) Now as you can see formastane its self and nolvadex/clomid are worlds apart. From here on throughout my explanation I will be speaking only about forma-stanzol as I feel it is the far superior compound because it has both formastane (suicide aromatase inhibition as well as progesterone reducing effects) and phytoserms (Phytoserm - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) effects. On top of this it also has many other necessary effects for any prospective steroids user.
One Forma-stanzol's many characteristics is whats know as a "suicide aromatase inhibitor" of aromatase. This means that Forma-stanzol binds to the aromatase enzyme in a permanent and irreversible manner, rendering it inactive. The result of this is an eventual diminishment of aromatase enzyme in the body and a concurrent reduction in estrogen levels. A corresponding increase in testosterone production is usually experienced as well
It is important to note here that this deactivation of aromatase enzymes by forma-stanzol does not mean that your body becomes permanently deficient in the ability to synthesize estrogen. Your body will react to the deficiency of enzyme by producing more enzyme to replace that which has been deactivated. Therefore, when you stop taking Forma-stanzol your aromatase enzyme level will quickly catch up to normal and full estrogen production will resume.
Now Another important attribute to forma-stanzol is of course its phytoserm effects. Serm/phytoserm effects are important for pct because of there binding to the estrogen receptors, thus inhibiting estrogenic activity only at the ER. This causes a increase to LH & FSH levels, which in turn stimulates testosterone production. The important thing to remember here is although both nolvadex and clomid will do this they do it at a price! not only does the level of estrogen keep going up well taking them (unlike with forma-stanzol) but they can also be harmful in many other ways ( read post 6 in this thread to learn more about this. http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/taking-anabolic-steroids-101-a-642856.html). This is why phytoserm's "medically and clinically" excepted natural serms are better. Combined with other compounds like the ones in forma-stanzol they are a much more effect form of pct or on cycle estrogen and progesterone control.
Furthermore forma-stanzols 7,8 Benzoflavone a neuro-active flavone has the ability to pass the blood brain barrier and block the suppression of GnRH release through modulation of the GABAergic receptor complex.7,8 Benzoflavone also has a positive effects on libido due to its aphrodisiac and anxiolytic (anxiety-relieving) effect having natural anti-anxiety properties, 7,8-benzoflavone my help improve general self-confidence and well being. But Forma-stansols posative effects on libido dosn't end there. As any well versed steroid user knows lowering progesterone can also have a very positive and profound effects on sex drive.
Forma-stanzol unlike any other Ai or serm also has anabolic effects and coverts to a anabolic at a "dose dependent rate". In other words when used at the higher end of dosing ( 10 pumps twice a day) after a week it starts to covert somewhat to a anabolic compound and adds gains to your cycle. Still when used at the lower end or pct stile dosing protocol ( 5 pumps twice a day) there is no worries about suppression because its anabolic conversion is again " dose dependent" and only happens at higher doses taken for longer periods of time. How Amazing is that? I dont know any Ai's out there that can clam this nor do I know one single Ai that also lowers progesterone too!
Because of the formatane and now added compounds in forma-stanzol Its anabolic/androgen effects are similar to that of the steroid primobolan Depot ( but only when used at higher doses for longer periods of time).even at the lower dosing It increases IGF-1 levels by an amazing 26%,and increases HPTA activity and testicular activity similar to a combination of hcg and Clomid!
All of this is backed up by " human" studies. Yes Real human studies don by well known Universities and agencies. Because for the longest time Lentaron I.M. Depot® was a proscription drug . This was not a drug that got scrapped because it did not work or because other drugs worked better. No this drug lost favor because many years ago the only way to use the drug was through injections. But because of the advancements in Trans dermal delivery Lentaron I.M. Depot® is back. With the help of NTBM and MRsupps.com its more powerful then ever.
We have added the perfect synergistic blend of supporting components making forma-stanzol a Highbred on cycle estrogen/progesterone control and pct drug.
First of all aromasin and Clomid work on a completely different pathway with completely different results.
It isn't like they all just lower estrogen. That's what I hate about Clomid. Sometimes it can RAISE estro.
For severe estrogen dominance, heavy cycles with aromatizing compounds, or if you're suseptable to gyno,I'd say aromasin is best.
To control it on cycle, arimidex is usually fine though for lighter cycles formastanazol should be enough or in combination with a tiny bit of dex. .
For keeping e under control in between cycles, POST CYCLE works very well.
For those on HRT, some e control is recommended on a continual basis. Formastanozol with POST CYCLE and BRIDGE will provide excellent control without heavy "drugging."
It isn't like they all just lower estrogen. That's what I hate about Clomid. Sometimes it can RAISE estro.
For severe estrogen dominance, heavy cycles with aromatizing compounds, or if you're suseptable to gyno,I'd say aromasin is best.
To control it on cycle, arimidex is usually fine though for lighter cycles formastanazol should be enough or in combination with a tiny bit of dex. .
For keeping e under control in between cycles, POST CYCLE works very well.
For those on HRT, some e control is recommended on a continual basis. Formastanozol with POST CYCLE and BRIDGE will provide excellent control without heavy "drugging."
brandonp005
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Thats right! Forma has diverse functions and a very wise choice to have it in the arsenal!
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ALIN
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If your on a AAS cycle I would use a real AI like AROMASIN,,LETROZOLE,,OR ARIMIDEX.
needtogetaas
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I would love for you to explain to all of us how formastane "is not" a real AI? Please I am dieing to here your explanation.
Keep in mind formastane was invented by the same pharmaceutical/drug companies that any other ai was invented by. It was also sold and used in the medical hospitals by doctors and every major medical facility in the world. It was manufactured and sold under the name "Lentaron I.M. Depot®"
So please tell all of us how Lentaron I.M. Depot® is not a "real AI" what is it a fake ai I guess? The pharmaceutical companies invented a fake ai and then sold it as a drug for years as a ai even though it was fake?
So the hundreds of "HUMAN" studies that the pharmaceutical companies and the universities did on this compound where fake?
Or the hundreds of double blind placebo examination that you can find on pubmed and other medical literature sites are all fake?
WOW! Alin my man you may have uncovered a major scandal here bro. You have to tell us what you know my man, because this news needs to be in every news paper across the country!
If formastane is really not a real Ai like you are trying to imply then this could probable win you the Noble Peace prize for discovering such a scandal put forth by the major pharmaceutical companies. I cant believe they would pull the wool over out eyes like this!
Well of course you would have to be able to prove what you are saying is true. Before you could go and tell the world the pharmaceutical companies have been lying to us And clam your prize.
Lets just start with something small first. You can tell us how you plan to uncover such a scandal good bro. I promise non of us will take credit for your work! So please tell us, How is Lentaron I.M. Depot® not a "real" AI?
If you got the time that is?
Thanks, needto
needtogetaas
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Ya I am guessing he wont be winning a prize any time soon lol.
needtogetaas
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Ya if you look into the erase product its not a very strong estrogen reducer its nothing more then herbs bro. Although its as good as any OTC oral herb estrogen reducer can get its nothing more then some real good advertising behind it.. Read and research the ingredients in the product. good ad to a pct but would never use it as the "work horse" to lower estrogen if estrogen is high.
Roger that, I will pick up some Forma Stanz then.
Kristofer68ss
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Actually its a metabolite of 7keto.
One of the biggest problems with other DHEA derivatives is that they themselves can either convert to estrogen or estrogenic compounds, or they can bind to the androgen receptor and shutdown your testosterone. You don’t have to worry about this with ERASE! Metabolites of 7-oxygenated DHEA will not allow these negative side effects.
Synthesis of Androst-5-en-7-ones and Androsta-3,5-dien-7-ones and Their Related 7-Deoxy Analogs as Conformational and Catalytic Probes for the Active Site of Aromatase - Journal of Medicinal Chemistry (ACS Publications) <<<<< STUDY DONE on the compounds and results.
But wait there is more
ScienceDirect - Biochemical and Biophysical Research Communications : Androst-5-Ene-7,17-dione: A novel class of suicide substrate of aromatase
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andrew732
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On spot bro, good study to back info.Actually its a metabolite of 7keto.
One of the biggest problems with other DHEA derivatives is that they themselves can either convert to estrogen or estrogenic compounds, or they can bind to the androgen receptor and shutdown your testosterone. You don’t have to worry about this with ERASE! Metabolites of 7-oxygenated DHEA will not allow these negative side effects.
Synthesis of Androst-5-en-7-ones and Androsta-3,5-dien-7-ones and Their Related 7-Deoxy Analogs as Conformational and Catalytic Probes for the Active Site of Aromatase - Journal of Medicinal Chemistry (ACS Publications) <<<<< STUDY DONE on the compounds and results.
THis thread a guy has gyno and logs his experience and even states he is drying out and loosing his gyno so it clearly lowers estro
I have estro's, oh no!! Prepare to be "ERASED".. (PES Erase log) - Anabolicminds.com
But wait there is more
ScienceDirect - Biochemical and Biophysical Research Communications : Androst-5-Ene-7,17-dione: A novel class of suicide substrate of aromatase
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lartinos
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I have yet to see an oral OTC one that does anything personally.
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OrbitNutrition.com
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Give this one a try bro, i bet you see something out of it. Its funny that so many people say oral AI's dont do anything when EXE, Letro etc are all oral lol. Anyways dont knock it until you try it, it would be like me saying i have yet to see a OTC acne medication that works but i cant cause i have not tried acnetame at all.
andrew732
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Then I assume you have not tried formastanzol since its OTC
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lartinos
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I said oral Andrew, I know that the topical works
And orbit you are correct. This erase product I have not tried, which is why I spoke of others and not this one.
It would break the mold IMO if it did. There are many many oral OTC AI's out there and all of them do almost nothing. I am sure it doesn't have the exact same formula as the other ones though.
It very well could be a great breakthrough.
Stacking it with the topical is another option as well.
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lart would you like to try a bottle out and review it for me honestly and objectively?I said oral Andrew, I know that the topical works
And orbit you are correct. This erase product I have not tried, which is why I spoke of others and not this one.
It would break the mold IMO if it did. There are many many oral OTC AI's out there and all of them do almost nothing. I am sure it doesn't have the exact same formula as the other ones though.
It very well could be a great breakthrough.
Stacking it with the topical is another option as well.
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x3 on form being a real AI after NTGAAS and Andrews post on Pg1...
Formestane can reduce estro levels over 40% dose dependent, it is a real AI, and the best legal AI you can buy.
And it is the only AI that will help you last longer in bed, give you crazy libido, raise IGF.. Letro and Adex can kill libido, are terrible for lipids and do nothing for prolactin.
Form is better than ATD, 6-bromo, 6OXO, triazole.. ETC..
Form can be used as an on cycle AI and be just as effective as the AIs you mentioned..
Formestane can reduce estro levels over 40% dose dependent, it is a real AI, and the best legal AI you can buy.
And it is the only AI that will help you last longer in bed, give you crazy libido, raise IGF.. Letro and Adex can kill libido, are terrible for lipids and do nothing for prolactin.
Form is better than ATD, 6-bromo, 6OXO, triazole.. ETC..
Form can be used as an on cycle AI and be just as effective as the AIs you mentioned..
Is this the same gamer who posted a beta run of the ERASE? I got some ERASE from pre-sale @ Orbit (haven't started it yet), will go with the Forma from MrSupps when it gets here. Going into wk 2 of first Test cycle ever after a 3 week kickstart of Beastdrol. I had gyno issues with puberty when I was like 12 or 13, don't know if thats going to make me prone or not, but I remember the sensitive nips and don't want to go through it again. At 375mg QW of Tri-Test (enanthate 250mg, phenylprop 62.5mg, & propionate 62.5mg) so far so good. I like alot of the + benefits needto pointed out about the Forma, so Forma it is for last 8 weeks of cycle and maybe use the ERASE as part of PCT?
forma is great stuff, thanks Needto for directing me to that stuff!
needtogetaas
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he said oral my man. forma-stanzol is not a oral it is a transdermal ... I think bromo is a oral that works. Erase may not be to bad.
I got a product coming out that you are on now Andrew that lowers estrogen by 30% so yes some orals can work
bigbossofdariver
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how does forma stanzol testosterone raising effects stack up to that off adex/aromasin?
andrew732
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Forma is more anabolic than those two and its a cousin to aromasin, Forma is a reliable g2g AI.
needtogetaas
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yes another one done in a test tube even though the link to the study does not work..Actually its a metabolite of 7keto.
One of the biggest problems with other DHEA derivatives is that they themselves can either convert to estrogen or estrogenic compounds, or they can bind to the androgen receptor and shutdown your testosterone. You don’t have to worry about this with ERASE! Metabolites of 7-oxygenated DHEA will not allow these negative side effects.
Synthesis of Androst-5-en-7-ones and Androsta-3,5-dien-7-ones and Their Related 7-Deoxy Analogs as Conformational and Catalytic Probes for the Active Site of Aromatase - Journal of Medicinal Chemistry (ACS Publications) <<<<< STUDY DONE on the compounds and results.
OK I went and bought the "whole study" Kind of sucks that it was done in a test tube ??? test tube =nothing=deff does not equale will work orally..
But wait there is more
ScienceDirect - Biochemical and Biophysical Research Communications : Androst-5-Ene-7,17-dione: A novel class of suicide substrate of aromatase
Now letherone-tm what is used in formastanzol has hundreds of "human studies" and I am woundering if this one even has a live anamal study yet??? Please link me to one. Thanks.
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lartinos
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I never looked back in this thread. Thanks for the offer! Been quite awhile I am sure it works well. I still use forma.
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