Arms need some help

[psychedout]

IMO, bottom line is you need both. Too many people are set in stone with dips and narrow grip bench and will never touch a cable.

The person who uses both compounds and cables will grow more.

 

[Bulldog_10]

IMO, bottom line is you need both. Too many people are set in stone with dips and narrow grip bench and will never touch a cable.

The person who uses both compounds and cables will grow more.

In my opinion, isolation exercises are not necessary MOST of the time. Of course, they're good to throw in there every once in a while, but only one per session. I try to stay away from all isolations by doing push/pull workouts instead of concentrating on one muscle group at a time like most people do.

 

[psychedout]

I would never suggest anyone base a routine around isolation exercises, but I just think too many people discredit them.

To each his own though... some people have genetic structures that are such that pushdowns will benefit them more than db externsions for example.

 

[Aerojaxx]

We have two complete different ways of thinking.....training...which have produced results for us all....bottom line what I do works for me and has very well for many years....but this is very good, I am learning...many ideas......

majatsu - very good post...your argument against me really makes sense...however, I still disagree.......muscles do have a memory....

 

[Debaser]

We have two complete different ways of thinking.....training...which have produced results for us all....bottom line what I do works for me and has very well for many years....but this is very good, I am learning...many ideas......

majatsu - very good post...your argument against me really makes sense...however, I still disagree.......muscles do have a memory....

I'm not sure why everyone seems to think of muscle as "intelligent." Muscles are in fact very simple.

 

[Aerojaxx]

Bottom line for me...if I want strength/mass, I have to lift the heavy weight ...I think what is different for me is I have trained many years for strength.....that is the way my training has evolved...

Strong man competitor picks up cars - not hotwheels -builds ridiculous Mass and Strength....

 

[aerowana]

So aerojaxx I guess ur muscle endurance is not good then. U cant do 20 reps proportional to ur 1RM? Just a thought, if we train for muscle endurance on off days, will that affect the recovery of the muscles? Since we are kinda like using different fiber types. And also, isn't it better if both types get worked on so that their sizes combine to give more mass?

 

[Bulldog_10]

So aerojaxx I guess ur muscle endurance is not good then. U cant do 20 reps proportional to ur 1RM? Just a thought, if we train for muscle endurance on off days, will that affect the recovery of the muscles? Since we are kinda like using different fiber types. And also, isn't it better if both types get worked on so that their sizes combine to give more mass?

During heavy strength training all fiber types are worked. They get recruited in order: Type I, Type IIa, Type IIx, Type IIb

So doing endurance work doesn't stimulate any new fibers.

Also, doing cardio might actually DECREASE the size of your slow twitch (type I) fibers. This is why people say that cardio may hinder strength gains.

 

[Aerojaxx]

I never said that I could not do a 20 rep set equivalent to my 1 rep max....actually I can....in fact my endurance level currently is better than my 1 rep max....

For example I can Bench Press 235 X 20....but I am still working on the heavy Bench due to recovering from a shoulder injury....my one rep max is currently 335 lbs.....with the chest workout I had Monday repping 295 for 2 different sets of 5 and 315 X 3 times....it should be higher.....

To push heavy weight.....YOU MUST push heavy weight....

Prior to injury I have benched 425......

When it comes to the arms....which this post originally focused on....I can hammer curl 80 for low reps.....or I could do 5 sets of 10 with the 50's...heavy weight low reps being much more benefitial for creating mass and strength...

I agreee you need both...thus the superset.....

 

[jayjuicer9]

Im guessing your arms are burning when your doing to sets...Right? If not, simple answer..your not training hard enough. With the amount of protien you should be taking, and the fact you have been training a while, the pain wont really be there any longer, you should still feel tight though. Take a week or two off the arms and start over. Im sure you will feel it the next day or two after that.