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Arimidex=less fat storage so where does it go?

perp69

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If you store less fat when taken Arimidex on a cycle then where does the extra calories go? Logic would say more muscle but that isn't so. So where?
 
You also deposit less estrogenic fat bro, scientific fact. You will carry less bloat of course, but if your cals are high enough to gain fat, you will gain fat. It will most likely go to more androgen-related sites instead of estrogen-related sites. i.e., fat around the "spare-tire" area instead of both that are and the hips, but, and chest. Why do you think women have more bodyfat % than men even on the same caloric intake per lb and same workout routine? And why is there fat in the ass, legs, glutes, chest, and not in the waist? Estrogen bro. My gf is like that. 5'2", 102 or 106 depending on the scale we use lol, very nice round ass and legs but not nowhere NEAR as lean as mine. But she's got a 4-pack visible year-round, a NICE 4-pack, with like 1mm of fat on her abs. No test and lots of estrogen, that's why. Give the same hormonal profile to a man, to some degree, the same thing happens. Men and women really aren't all that different when it comes down to basic physiology.
 
Like you said if your calories are high enough to gain fat, you will.......Arimidex does not help this....If there is a surplus of calories you will tend to store fat......Arimidex or not.

Although arimidex does help with those areas as to witch you are reffering to.
Tux said:
You also deposit less estrogenic fat bro, scientific fact. You will carry less bloat of course, but if your cals are high enough to gain fat, you will gain fat. It will most likely go to more androgen-related sites instead of estrogen-related sites. i.e., fat around the "spare-tire" area instead of both that are and the hips, but, and chest. Why do you think women have more bodyfat % than men even on the same caloric intake per lb and same workout routine? And why is there fat in the ass, legs, glutes, chest, and not in the waist? Estrogen bro. My gf is like that. 5'2", 102 or 106 depending on the scale we use lol, very nice round ass and legs but not nowhere NEAR as lean as mine. But she's got a 4-pack visible year-round, a NICE 4-pack, with like 1mm of fat on her abs. No test and lots of estrogen, that's why. Give the same hormonal profile to a man, to some degree, the same thing happens. Men and women really aren't all that different when it comes down to basic physiology.
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Guclu, that's 100% wrong. Estrogen promotes fat deposition, and it directs it preferentially to the "female" areas... hips, butt, thighs, chest. Google it, there are a dozen studies you'll find in 10 minutes proving that estrogen causes fat retention, androgens cause fat-loss. Why you think guys have more muscle and less fat? More androgens, less estrogen. DAMN that was totally wrong statement dude, please tell me it was a joke?
 
Actually there have been studies showing that estrogen does promote fat burning. The higher BF% of most women seems to be due to test/est ratios and progesterone rather than just estrogen levels per se. The effects of estrogen are more complex than most people make out. For a very advanced discussion of this, I'll point you to this thread with the note that Nandi really knows his stuff - http://www.cuttingedgemuscle.com/Forum/showthread.php?threadid=14810
 
Tux said:
Guclu, that's 100% wrong. Estrogen promotes fat deposition, and it directs it preferentially to the "female" areas... hips, butt, thighs, chest. Google it, there are a dozen studies you'll find in 10 minutes proving that estrogen causes fat retention, androgens cause fat-loss. Why you think guys have more muscle and less fat? More androgens, less estrogen. DAMN that was totally wrong statement dude, please tell me it was a joke?
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it wasn't a joke, pass the studies for me to see bro i'm interested in this, estrogen isn't the only difference between men and women

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/90/6/3592
 
Apexx said:
yup, estrogen burns fat, you can't drink winny, and injecting into the ring around your asshole is the best way to take steroids. :p
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if we would have a poll with the alltime most boring and non-innovative sarcasmic insultattempts you would top it bro...

i don't see the point of doing that crap in a serious discussion
 
Hate to tell yall but hes right, estro DOES have a role in fat burning. I believe progest also plays a part. The biochem of all these hormones are not nearly as cut and dry as estro puts on fat, test burns it. That is why its a pain in the ass to try to control all of them, estro also helps with building muscle.
 
bigrand said:
Hate to tell yall but hes right, estro DOES have a role in fat burning. I believe progest also plays a part. The biochem of all these hormones are not nearly as cut and dry as estro puts on fat, test burns it. That is why its a pain in the ass to try to control all of them, estro also helps with building muscle.
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yea i slapped my monitor twice because i was sure it was bullshittin me, i've got 2 other similiar studies that breaks some myths about estrogen and bodyfat that i'm gonna try to dig out
 
I was wondering if anyone has researched this before. My point being that most say Arimidex decreases gains but most literature says different, that it acutally decreases fat storage. So if less cals are going towards fat storage then only other place the cals can be used is towards muscle growth. So you would think that it might actually help you make muscle gains instead of hindering them. Is my thinking flawed on this?
 
lower lean bodymass is also a significant reason why women have harder times on diets, men tend to keep there muscle better on diets due to good ole' testosterone, where are women are way more succeptable to losing lean body mass on diets if they do it wrong(some crappy cosmo diet)
 
Arimidex binds to aromitase and prevents formation of estrogen from test. Estro doesnt react with its receptors in areas rich with estrogen receptors such as some areas of adipose tissue. That adipose tissue wont store fat, so the cals go elsewhere, like other areas of fat, muscle, or excreated. The effects of caloric redistribution probly arent noticeable........!
 
PERP69 said:
I was wondering if anyone has researched this before. My point being that most say Arimidex decreases gains but most literature says different, that it acutally decreases fat storage. So if less cals are going towards fat storage then only other place the cals can be used is towards muscle growth. So you would think that it might actually help you make muscle gains instead of hindering them. Is my thinking flawed on this?
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i dunno really, but i'm pretty sure it's not that simple bro
 
good link bor. It's a bit too complicated for my dumb ass to understand, but at least it's opening my eyes a bit.

k to ya

Maetenloch said:
Actually there have been studies showing that estrogen does promote fat burning. The higher BF% of most women seems to be due to test/est ratios and progesterone rather than just estrogen levels per se. The effects of estrogen are more complex than most people make out. For a very advanced discussion of this, I'll point you to this thread with the note that Nandi really knows his stuff - http://www.cuttingedgemuscle.com/Forum/showthread.php?threadid=14810
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I'm big enought to admit that I was wrong about the estrogen/fat burning issue. Never heard of it before. I've been wrong before and I know I'll be wrong again in the future. That's why we're here, to learn.

This board tends to become like family in a weird way. If you can't joke around with your family once in a while, then what makes this board different from any other? Lighten up bor


Güclü_oglan said:
if we would have a poll with the alltime most boring and non-innovative sarcasmic insultattempts you would top it bro...

i don't see the point of doing that crap in a serious discussion
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Apexx said:
I'm big enought to admit that I was wrong about the estrogen/fat burning issue. Never heard of it before. I've been wrong before and I know I'll be wrong again in the future. That's why we're here, to learn.

This board tends to become like family in a weird way. If you can't joke around with your family once in a while, then what makes this board different from any other? Lighten up bor
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sorry bro no hard feelings, just got a little upset :heart:
 
Maetenloch said:
Actually there have been studies showing that estrogen does promote fat burning.
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True women seem to utilize fat more efficiently than men during exercise....but women also have more fat than men....something to think about. also aromatase enzymes are in fat cells.....so the fatter you are the more estrogens you likely have....easy to lose fat when you are fat
 
yes, another thing is a phenom in cows that lacks aromatise are alot fatter then cows where it functions. Same thing with people who don't have the enzyme

Estrogen also inhibits apetite to a certain degree
 
Yep, estrogens, their receptors and aromitase are present in areas of adipose tissue and without estrogen (lack of arimotase perhaps) those cells cant undergo fatty acid synthesis and storage.
 
BY the way, here's the original thread that opened my eyes to how complex the interactions among testosterone, estrogen, and progesterone can be:

Why are women fatter than men?

From research done with M-to-F and F-to-M transsexuals, it's clear that by manuipulating T,E, and P levels we give someone a nearly ideal male or female body composition. However it seems to be more the ratio among these than the absolute levels.
 
Maetenloch said:
BY the way, here's the original thread that opened my eyes to how complex the interactions among testosterone, estrogen, and progesterone can be:

Why are women fatter than men?

From research done with M-to-F and F-to-M transsexuals, it's clear that by manuipulating T,E, and P levels we give someone a nearly ideal male or female body composition. However it seems to be more the ratio among these than the absolute levels.
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yea that makes sence nice link

I spoke to a doctor today aswell and he said that progesterone is one of the biggest factors when it comes to fat-distribution in women. Hehe sometimes these things aren't as easy at seems, but hey if we weren't that complex we would all be immortal
 
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