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Arimidex - DOESN'T STOP MY GYNO ! ! !

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fitwizard

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My cycle started 21 days ago:
WK1-4 Dbols 35-40mg a day
WK1-10 Test enathate 750mg a week
* WK1-2 Durabolin (Nandrolone Phenylpropionate NOT deca)
* WK2-10 EQ 450mg a week
Arimidex 0.5mg a day

* The Durabolin (nandrolone phenylpropionate), was stopped
after about 9 days, so only injected a total of 450mg thoughout the 9 days. I stopped it because I suspected that shit causes my Gyno. My suspicion was based on the facts that Arimidex at 0.5mg a day was taken from the start and the gyno signs still came in. So it gotta be Progesterone related(arimi won't help), and the short half-life of the durabolin, also made my suspect this is what causing this shit.

* I substituted the Durabolin with the EQ (no prog worries)

Anyway, the durabolin which I initially suspected giving me the gyno signs was stopped 12 days ago.
I also upped my Arimidex doses to 1mg a day for 3 days !! And then lowered it to 0.5mg a day.

When I saw that the stubborn Gyno signs are still pretty much there with all this Arimidex doses. I went back to 1mg a day (that was 3 days ago).

I took HELL SHIT of Arimidex for quite a long time (12 days!)
And the pain in the nipples continues as though the Arimidex did shit.

I am using legitimate Arimidex from Zeneca bought at a local pharmacy.

It can't be the Durabolin cause this thing is fact acting and gets out of the system pretty fast. So I start to suspect it's the Dbols and that the Arimidex in my specific great physique does nothing to stop all this estogen.

I am so desperate. I think they will grow more and more.
I don't know if it's the dbols or durabolin. I am pretty much confused. It contradicts every theory I read down here.

Did anyone experience this same shit as I do ?
 
Have you thought about the possibilty that you may still have some nandrolone in the system? I mean, its only been 12 days since you stopped.

IB
 
--- WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON ! ! ! ---

Dammit!!!! Now I also feel lumps behind my nipples!

I took two 1mg tabs of Arimidex today and also added 1000mg Vitex cause maybe it's from Prolactin. I don't really know WTF is going on.

-- Is it Estrogen? I took arimidex from beginning of cycle so how come?

-- Is it Progesterone? I only took 450mg of Durabolin. And that was two weeks ago! It should be quite out of the system (durabolin half life is only 5 days)

-- Is it Prolactin? I've started taking Vitex. Two 500mg caps a day. But I am afraid my gyno does come from Progesterone and in that case I am making things much worse if taking Vitex (it increases progestone while decreases prolactin).

WTF!!!!!!!!!!

Tomorrow I am going to get my 20mg Nolvadex pills. How much to take? ? I also stopped taking the dbols just in case.
 
Start taking the nolvadex at 40-60mgs/day until symptoms subside,and have a complete hormonal profile ran ASAP,that will tell you the story,instead of speculating what route it's coming from.Make sure to get a prolactin count included in that.
 
Can I take the 60mg Nolva a day and continue the Arimidex? When should I normally expect the symptoms to go away from the 60mg nolva?


Thanks Huck. So I should blood test: Progesterone, Prolacting and Estrogen to get a better picture right?

I hope the lab won't rob me. Last time I made Total Test and Free Test, the lab charged me about 170$ together.
 
Yes,you can and should hit nolva & anastrozole together,so you don't have symptoms reoccur when you discontinue the nolvadex(from elevated circulating estradiol still in production).Nolvadex at high dosages like that usually only takes 2-4 days to reduce symptoms IF they are coming through an estrogenic route.
Yes,get an estradiol,prolactin and progesterone count taken.
 
Whoa whoa wait a minute! I thought that arimidex is like 10x better than nolv at helping gyno? WTF! That is all i hear. There was a poll on another board of which one is better and not 1 person said nolv. So whats the deal here.
 
tybz28,

try reading the posts up above yours and you'll probably retract that post.

Arimidex will work to stop the conversion to estrogen, but if you already have alot of estrogen in your system it won't do shit.

Nolvadex will compete with the estrogen for the receptors.
 
macrophage69alpha said:
you still have durabolin in your system

1mg of arimidex is not enough for that much D and test

E metabolites of D may hang around for a while
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So what you are actually saying is that 35-40mg dbols a day along with 750mg test enathate+400mg eq a week, all need more than 1mg of Arimidex a day????

I didn't see even one post saying that you should be taking more than 1mg??? How much?? Yesterday I took two tabs. Which total around 2.25mg (One is a generic one overdosed and the other Zeneca)
 
Oh ok my bad. So if i take arimidex everyday alogn with my cycle i will be cool then?
400mg eq
600-400 mg test
.25 liquidex Ed
clomid after

will i be cool?
 
WHAT THE HELL

I took your advice on using Nolvadex in addition to the 1mg arimidex I'm already taking. Today is the 4th day I'm taking Nolvadex at 60mg a day ! And the Gyno symptoms are still there. Itchiness, Puffiness and pea-sized lumps. I am also taking 1000mg Vitex and 1mg Arimidex daily. Nothing has changed.

What the fuck is going on? My cycle is very basic with no Deca or Fina. How the hell to stop this shit? I wasn't prepared for it, reading all the threads always suggested Nolva and Arimi but both have proved useless for me.

Taking Huck's advice, I've placed some calls to private labs, and I can arrange a Progesterone, Prolacting & Estadiol blood tests, however, they asked my what Estradiol test I need ? They asked E2 or E3. Anyway each test costs about 50$. But I still don't know what Estradiol test I need to make.
 
Stop the Vitex it can have progesterone like effects. Go get a hormone panel done and stop speculating on its causes. If you take care of this thing now the right way, you still may have a chance of getting rid of it. As you know gyno can be permanant and in most cases irreversible, the longer you have the more likely the lumps will be permanent.
 
Still no answer? Huck?? You mentioned doing hormonal blood checks: Progesterone, Prolactin & Estradiol. To determine the cause of my Gyno symptoms. However, the lady at the lab I was talking with, asked me what Estradiol check do I need: E2 or E3?

Also, Prolactin level results takes about 3 days and the lab is closed till Sunday. So I could only obtain the prolactin and progesterone results on Wedensday. And I am LOOSING time by then. Gyno symptoms are too long....

I have just obtained 5mg Deprenyl tabs from a local pharmacy. I was wondering if a better strategy is to start taking them today ? ? How long till I will deferently know if they are working ? (Gyno symptoms going away due to prolactin being lowered) ? ?

Keep in mind that I'm on 4 days of 60mg of Nolvadex and over 3 weeks of 0.5-1mg of Arimidex and nothing has changed. So it absolutly cannot be Estradiol right?

Also the Nandrolone Phenylpropionate is long long gone from the system. So that leaves us with Prolactin? But didn't know Prolactin can be stimulated from 750mg test and 35mb dbols only?
 
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Sound like this was your first cycle! Should have started w/smaller doses to see how your body reacted!

Maxx >>>>>
 
No Max.. This was my second cycle..

First cycle was:
wk1-10 Sust500mg, Deca300mg
wk1-4 dbol 35mg ed

First cycle produced almost no results although Sleep, Training, Nutrition, Supplmentation was all excellent. I've a stubborn body. Have to use higher amounts.
 
If you didn't react to that first cycle, something's off. 10 years ago, people would have maybe called you a non-responder. I would get that blood work done. I have seen this happen to people. Not alot, but it does happen. Generally, they get out of this game or try VERY mild AS, not crank up the doses of others.
 
Start the deprenyl at 5mg a day. In your case, if you are going to assume it is prolactin than bromocriptine would be ideal. Deprenyl is more of a preventative measure but it will provide some marginal help. As for the persistent gyno, continue to hit it from the estrogen side as well. Aside from the bromocriptine there is not much else you can do except wait and see if it resolves its self within a few months. In many cases, once hormone levels have normalized the tissue will shrink to a size that is unnoticeable. You still need to get a hormone panel to see which hormone is causing your gyno. Once you have the tissue it never disappears and will grow if given hormonal stimulation.
 
NExt, if you had told me prior to your cycle that you were going to take 450mg/week eq, 750mg/week test and 35-40mg/day dbol and just take .5mg/day arimidex and you had never done it before, I would have laughed at you and told you that I was 99 percent sure that this would happen.

YOU ARE TAKING MASSIVE DOSAGES OF AAS. OK? What the fuck are you thinking? Of course arimdex alone is not going to be able to cure gyno on this type of cycle taking all of around 1.5 grams of super aromatising steroids/week. (SOunds like all you got from this board was the advice of the 15-19 year old crowd, most of whom have never done much aas themsevles yet claim to be gurus).
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First Thanks for trying to help DCS. I appreciate it.

Your two posts just about contradict many mods I've talked with down here. 60mg of Nolvadex for 5 days should be adequate for the Nolvadex weak estrogens to compete and bind to the receptors. Second. 1mg of Arimidex taken for over 10 days are more than enough. But maybe as you said most mods know shit?? I'm not sure!

How old are you?
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I'm 28 years old working out 4-5 years, and have extensive knowledge in Kinesiology & Nutrition.

WHY THE FUCK HAVE YOU NOT STOPPED ALL AAS? Why are you still taking all your shit. Stop taking them and the estrogen will go away.
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Yes the easy way out.. I don't think so. I think I can beat that. Besides today is my last dbols days cause amost 4 weeks have passed, and since it's half life is about 3-4 hours, it should pretty much lower the estrogen circulating.

Anyway... The best thing is just to wait for the Blood tests and we will be much smarter then would we?
 
here is the real problem and one that is NOT widely known... dbol has a half life of about 90min to 2 hr.

its E metabolites... MUCH LONGER.(how long exactlly???) quite a bit more arimidex is OFTEN ,though not always, necessary with DBOL.. why??? not totally sure though:

2 possiblities
a. it has stronger or comparable binding as compared to arimidex
b. it upregulates aromatase more in some individuals than others.

btw- 17aa drugs increase production of certain growth factors due to their influence on the liver..== aggravates existing glandular tissue.. regardless of e blockers and aromatase inhibitors.
 
fitwizard, Did you get blood screens for E2? That is estradiol, the most potent and significant estrogen. I hope you did, it would be really interesting to know what your levels are. Please share them with me/us if you get them. BTW, when do you get them?
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I'm doing the blood test tomorrow. Prolacting, Progesterone and E2. The Prolacting and Progesterone results will take approx. 3 days. But the E2 test takes about a week for results to arrive.

As for nolvadex, WHY DID YOU STOP IT? JEEZ?!
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Didn't stop taking it. Just lowered it to 20mg a day instead of 60mg a day which I took for 5 days in addition to the 1mg of Arimidex ed.

Lastly, do oyu have clomid for post cycle, I don't think it will be pretty for some reason. I am happy to give my help of you want it though.
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Of course I do. I don't ever start a cycle without Arimidex for during the cycle and Clomid for post cycle.

Do you think I should up the dosage of Arimidex to 2mg a day ? for the 750mg Test and 450mg Eq a week? (no dbols anymore)
 
LAB TEST RESULTS JUST CAME IN...

VERY INTERESTING Lab results are here... I am fucking confused!!

First, let's remember that Im starting 5th week of my cycle which is:

WK1-4 Dbols 35-40mg ed
WK2-4 EQ 450mg ew
WK1-10 Test Enathate 750mg ew
WK1-4 I took 0.5 to 1mg of Arimidex ed (1mg when gyno sings went worse)
WK3-? I took 60mg Nolvadex ED for 6 days (Whey gyno signs were going worse and pea-sized lumps were developed)

WK 1-1.5 Durabolin (Nandrolone Phenylpropionate) Only took a TOTAL of 450mg and that was over 3 weeks ago. I stopped it because I was afraid my gyno signs are coming from the Progesterone although I only injected 450mg total. So I switched to EQ on the 2nd week into the cycle.

Also let's remind that Gyno symptoms started 4 days after I just started the cycle, and went worse. Now I can also feel lumps under both nipples. Also, if I squeezed my nipples I could see some clear-brownish liquid coming out.. Thought it was Prolacting at first, and many dudes here also said it was probably prolactin... Well watch the results!

Now for the blood test lab results I did just yesterday due to Hucks and DCS advice:

Estradiol (E2) 40.3 PG/ML (Normal range for males 6-44)
Prolactin 5.02 NG/ML (Normal range 0-15)
Progesterone 0.67 NG/ML (Normal range for males 0.0-0.4)

WTF is going on??? And Now what ???
 
Re: LAB TEST RESULTS JUST CAME IN...

fitwizard said:


Estradiol (E2) 40.3 PG/ML (Normal range for males 6-44)
Prolactin 5.02 NG/ML (Normal range 0-15)
Progesterone 0.67 NG/ML (Normal range for males 0.0-0.4)

WTF is going on??? And Now what ???
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E metabolites of dianabol are NOT E2
durabolin is a progestin not progesterone (the slightly elevated progesterone is likely due to vitex)

drop the DBOL.. the 17aa influence on growth factor production and liver values IS NOT HELPING.
 
E metabolites of dianabol are NOT E2
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Well Huck suggested me doing the E2, so that's what I did.

durabolin is a progestin not progesterone (the slightly elevated progesterone is likely due to vitex)
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Only took Vitex for a short period of time.. Maybe 1000mg for just several days.. I didn't notice it making things better or worse.

drop the DBOL.. the 17aa influence on growth factor production and liver values IS NOT HELPING.
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Dropped at WK 3.5. Shitty Dbols.
 
Listen to Macro bro,can the d-bol.
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Yeah dropped this shit. But wasn't Estradiol supposed to give us the truth about Estrogen and if the Arimidex and Nolva helped?

Also.. What should I do regarding the Nolvadex and Arimidex ?
Continue to take them both?? Maybe just the Arimidex? At what dosage? I guess IGF will DROP siginifantly because of them both taken together.

I may be hallucinating but I think that since I stopped the dbols 3 days ago I feel less pain.. But again.. it may just be psychological reaction. I am not confident in it. I still pretty much feel my neepled. Especially when sleeping on my stomatch.
 
I would continue taking the anastrozole,but am up in the air on the nolvadex,due to it's mixed agonistic/antagonistic E/R activity.Maybe Mac can render a final decision on that.
 
macrophage69alpha said:
here is the real problem and one that is NOT widely known... dbol has a half life of about 90min to 2 hr.

its E metabolites... MUCH LONGER.(how long exactlly???) quite a bit more arimidex is OFTEN ,though not always, necessary with DBOL.. why??? not totally sure though:

2 possiblities
a. it has stronger or comparable binding as compared to arimidex
b. it upregulates aromatase more in some individuals than others.

btw- 17aa drugs increase production of certain growth factors due to their influence on the liver..== aggravates existing glandular tissue.. regardless of e blockers and aromatase inhibitors.
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Err.....MAC that would be 3.2-4.5hr not 1.5-2h.

Unless of course I've woken up in Mars.. :)

Fonz
 
I still didn't get an answer on two issues that are bothering me:

1) Should I continue Arimidex at 1mg a day throughout the cycle along with 20mg of Nolvadex? Or should I lower or dump one of them?

2) Since my Progesterone is 0.67 NG/ML (Normal range for males being 0.0-0.4) should I take Winny ASAP ? Will it lower it? I still have lumps under my nipples. I don't believe they are from the one week of Vitex caps I took. I also afraid of taking Winny which is 17-aa after taking 35mg of Dbols for abour 4 weeks now (Stopped it several days ago).
 
fitwizard said:
I still didn't get an answer on two issues that are bothering me:

1) Should I continue Arimidex at 1mg a day throughout the cycle along with 20mg of Nolvadex? Or should I lower or dump one of them?

2) Since my Progesterone is 0.67 NG/ML (Normal range for males being 0.0-0.4) should I take Winny ASAP ? Will it lower it? I still have lumps under my nipples. I don't believe they are from the one week of Vitex caps I took. I also afraid of taking Winny which is 17-aa after taking 35mg of Dbols for abour 4 weeks now (Stopped it several days ago).
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I wouldn't worry about the winny (shit your liver is fine but the real issue is your breasts - the 17AA harshness is blown out of proportion).

Personally, I would have stopped my cycle. I'm stunned by the lack of results from your first cycle too. A boatload of drugs.

I'll bump for you on the rest of your questions!
 
Do like i did..............get some nipple rings. HA! Nah but seriously, i had the same problem, lumps, blah blah blah.....and i have a small marble pea under my nipples but you really cannot even notice that its there because of the nipple rings. 10 gauge. Got them about a year ago.
Plus chiks like it. :)

And i may invest in some Nolva also. Im taking 750mg sustanon, 30mg dbol, and 600mg of EQ Per week, along with .5mg Arimidex EOD. I may up the dose to .5 every day, and add nolvadex in the mix to be sure. Money is no object when it comes to gyno.
 
I wrote you the reply in PM. Thanks a lot for helping out. My genetics is REALLY stubborn. I can sleep 10 hours a day. Eat clean and high cals and train like a killer, but muscles don't seem to grow ever.. Although they do get stronger ALWAYS, aas or not aas. They do get stronger, but without an anabolic effect. That's the reason I have upped the dosages. My first cycle brought minimum results although it was high.

Anyway. I am heading to ulter for some letrozole right now :D What dosage do you recommend for 750 test and 450 eq ? Also, can I just stop the Arimidex and go to Letrozole, i mean just like that?

Thanks..
 
I dont really understand why alot of people on this board swear by arimidex/liquidex in favour of proviron and nolvadex.

Get some nolvadex in if arimidex does not stop gyno for you. On your next cycle you should try 50mg proviron every day + 20mg nolvadex everyday. This will cause just about a complete block of estrogen.
 
I dont really understand why alot of people on this board swear by arimidex/liquidex in favour of proviron and nolvadex.
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Maybe because all of the medical data shows arimidex to be superior at reducing estrogen?
 
You said it Zygla. Arimidex: hands down as far as estro goes. If you already have symptoms the Arimi won't do shit, but Nolva will help block the receptors, I actually have to start this shit too. My nipples aren't itchy but I squeezed them the other day after reading a thread about that, and something came out, barely though. I'm not really worried. If I get gyno, I WILL get that shit removed completely. it's not like it's permanent or anything ;) As long as I have 3k and a good plastic surgeon, I'm good to go ;)
 
The Terminator said:
Arimidex will not stop the estrogen that is already binding at the receptor, it only stops the conversion from T to E. Like Nimrod25 said you really need to get nolvadex.
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I agree, with a cycle suck as yours I would do .5mg of Arimidex a day and 10-20mg of Nolvadex a day. 10 pounds of water weight is not worth having boobs.
 
fitwizard said:
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Anyway. I am heading to ulter for some letrozole right now :D What dosage do you recommend for 750 test and 450 eq ? Also, can I just stop the Arimidex and go to Letrozole, i mean just like that?

Thanks..
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It sound's like you are asking for advice but not following it.
If I were in your boat, I would be cutting the doses like DCS
advised. Good luck to you bro.
 
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