Are pain pills cheating?

[caustin]

This is my first thread guys and I feel like I need opinions on it. My history,

7 months ago I was 252lbs and I have no clue what my bf% was but I was really fat. Im 5 11 by the way. I ran and ran at first until I had lost around 30lbs and then I started lifting. I cant put into words how much I love to just absolutely kill myself at the gym, but oh the pain. I had an easy connect on perks and started at one a day and never went over that. So I just recently detoxed for the first time in 2 months and JESUS F-ING CHRIST, I cant move for the last week. Im making great gains, but am I cheating by killing the pain?


Also, another good friend of mine has been on test-e since high school and says it helps recovery and pain. I was thinking of kicking the pills for test and actually get something out of it.

Look, I know Im a newbie to this shit and some people are going to think Im a punk for the pain pills but I will lift pain or none so let me know about the test.

Caustin

 

[BigCracker]

This is my first thread guys and I feel like I need opinions on it. My history,

7 months ago I was 252lbs and I have no clue what my bf% was but I was really fat. Im 5 11 by the way. I ran and ran at first until I had lost around 30lbs and then I started lifting. I cant put into words how much I love to just absolutely kill myself at the gym, but oh the pain. I had an easy connect on perks and started at one a day and never went over that. So I just recently detoxed for the first time in 2 months and JESUS F-ING CHRIST, I cant move for the last week. Im making great gains, but am I cheating by killing the pain?


Also, another good friend of mine has been on test-e since high school and says it helps recovery and pain. I was thinking of kicking the pills for test and actually get something out of it.

Look, I know Im a newbie to this shit and some people are going to think Im a punk for the pain pills but I will lift pain or none so let me know about the test.

Caustin

It's not cheating if it helps you make progress. The problem is that you're dancing with the devil. I kicked a 5 yr, $1200 a month nubain (injectable painkiller similar to morphine)habit about 1.5 yrs ago. It ate up that 5 yrs of my life and cost me a lot of material things. I'm on my way out so I can't elaborate right now-but you need to get away from those pills asap.

 

[jetty]

perks aren't so bad. I use them on leg days so i can get out of the tub without cramping. Xantax ain't too bad with just one bar. But yeah, the Bain train will ruin you for sure. Remember what it did to Mark Kerr?

 

[t3st]

This is my first thread guys and I feel like I need opinions on it. My history,

7 months ago I was 252lbs and I have no clue what my bf% was but I was really fat. Im 5 11 by the way. I ran and ran at first until I had lost around 30lbs and then I started lifting. I cant put into words how much I love to just absolutely kill myself at the gym, but oh the pain. I had an easy connect on perks and started at one a day and never went over that. So I just recently detoxed for the first time in 2 months and JESUS F-ING CHRIST, I cant move for the last week. Im making great gains, but am I cheating by killing the pain?


Also, another good friend of mine has been on test-e since high school and says it helps recovery and pain. I was thinking of kicking the pills for test and actually get something out of it.

Look, I know Im a newbie to this shit and some people are going to think Im a punk for the pain pills but I will lift pain or none so let me know about the test.

Caustin

Im no expert in the area by far but going on test yes will help you put on muscle and recover faster but its not something you do just for that reason. If you are still carrying around more then say 20% bf do not touch the stuff. Most people will not run until they have cut down to 10%+- a few range.

I have never heard of anyone taking pain pills in the gym but I have to think that maybe your overdoing it? Lift/Exercise consistently but don't kill yourself in the gym your body needs time to recover. I don't know what your workout looks like but I am sure that someone on here would be glad to help you out with a few pointers.

If I were you - Eat clean, this can't be stressed enough - Eat enough of the right foods, cut out sat fats and sugars - if you drink pop quit it. I know some people will disagree with me here but theres no reason to spend more then an hour in the gym (lifting). Just my 2 cents. Keep up the good work man.

 

[caustin]

I dont know what my bf% is right now but as far as diet and workouts go, I'm out in 1hr 15min with wrm up, stretch, lift. I work extremely hard for that time but thats what I'm supposed to do, right?

And diet, my diet isn't extreme but I am a chef and have access to things i should eat all night. Turkey breasts, chix breasts, salads, steak, you get it. No regular soda(with sugar) for over 8 months now. I kill the diet sodas, staggerd with water. I actually am very lucky to have access to the things I can eat all night for free.

About the test and bf%, doesnt test help cut fat?

 

[peejae]

pain killers once in a while is cool if needed but i wouldnt abuse them like cracker said i also had a 180 dollar a day habit. i started with percs small stuff but you eventually build a tolerance to the stuff next i was doing 3 oxycontin 80 mg pills a day (oh man u wanna talk about withdrawals puking night sweats good stuff). I lost my home i was homeless living out of a car. i had a damn 150k a yr job lost it. but by the grace of god i pulled myself back out quitting cold turkey. moved in with my father till i was straight. just wouldnt do it unless needed wouldnt want anyone to go through that.

 

[sparetire]

it sounds like you have an addiction problem and using steroids isn't going to help your dilema. Did you ever think that maybe going into the gym and not working out so hard that you can't walk or that maybe you take it easy with lighter weights until you build up a muscle tolerance? I think, personally, you're almost using weightlifting as an excuse to use pain pills. The key to working out , is working out every day except for 1-2 days off per week. Start out light with 3-4 sets and a higher reps. Then after the moderate pain starts to subside after work outs after the first month, start putting on the weight and build up slowly. A nice trick to avoid such a painful recovery is to take 400mgs of ibuprofen post workout and then 4-5 hours later, especially after you work out hard. This trick usually works, but the key is to build your body up. If I stop working out for a week - man , it hurts like a bitch and it's hard to get back into it without the pain. Most likely, if you continue to go down the road with percs, you'll start using steroids, then the steroid rush will enhance your addiction to percs and then before you know it, you'll be full blown into addiction and as you already have stated, detoxing sucks and i'm sure you don't want to do it. I understand have a few around for when you really injure yourself, but for a basic workout, there's no excuse. You want to lift weight and get big, then you have to pay a certain price and sometimes that's in the form of a little uncomfortable pain for a few days. But even that will go away if you keep in line and work out 5 days a week back to back.

Now , with that being said, this is going to sound like double talk, but this might help you better if you truly are in that much pain. Go online and get yourself a few somas. Somas, in most part, aren't addictive if taken 1-2 a day and not everyday. You might feel slightly buzzed, but it works great on your leg days and just muscles in general. Percs are for cronic pain and post surgery pain and it's an opiate. Somas, like I said, are decent for dealing with bad muscle injuries and you won't have an opiate hang over the next day.

I'm not trying to sound hard on ya, but I hate to see good bro's go down this path, cuz opiates are tuff to get off the longer you take them and in the end, it will ruin you like so many others, especially on here, who have dealt with this issue. It's a pretty basic fact that over half of bodybuilders are true addicts and usually end up using some form of drug eventually. I'm not saying all are, but i'm just saying.. I heard a doctor once say that ex-meth addicts usually become steroid body builders .. It's the rush.. (can you blame them !?!? hehe) .. But just becareful bro..

 

[thefantom1]

Im sitting here reading this and kinda at a lost..... Pain is your body telling you something is not right... now..soreness is not Pain..you may be confusing the two. Pain pills like percocet, codeine etc have no business in your quest for better health..it almost sounds like you use the "pain" from working out as a reason to use them...look what happened to bigcraker with the nubain.... bodybuilders for a long time used the excuse that the nubain or pain pills help them through the "Pain" of workouts..when in reality it was the high then addiction that they got.... leave the stuff alone..and don't even think about using Test right now...not until you have done a ton of research here and at other boards....Good Luck

 

[BigCracker]

I have never heard of anyone taking pain pills in the gym but I have to think that maybe your overdoing it?

Where do you workout? Curves? 1/2 the competitive bodybuilders I know take painkillers pre workout daily. Most smoke weed and do other recreational drugs too. Talk all the shit you want to about these guys, but they still look better than everyone else in the gym. It's not uncommon to see a few guys out in the parking lot passing a pre/post workout joint and the usual conversation is about scoring an 8 ball of blow and hitting the strip bars later for cocktails. Bodybuilders are such the pictures of health.

 

[1Mistake2006]

Im sitting here reading this and kinda at a lost..... Pain is your body telling you something is not right... now..soreness is not Pain..you may be confusing the two. Pain pills like percocet, codeine etc have no business in your quest for better health..it almost sounds like you use the "pain" from working out as a reason to use them...look what happened to bigcraker with the nubain.... bodybuilders for a long time used the excuse that the nubain or pain pills help them through the "Pain" of workouts..when in reality it was the high then addiction that they got.... leave the stuff alone..and don't even think about using Test right now...not until you have done a ton of research here and at other boards....Good Luck

Very good point....soreness is fine..that just means you actually hit the muscle..pain is our body's way of saying something is wrong. Personally I don't understand why so many people eat percs or vics and say Nubain is worse..from a scientific standpoint, Nubain is the least addictive of the 3..oxycodone & hydrocodone are much easier to abuse. The FDA thinks so..percs are class B, vics are class C and Nubain is class D...food for thought........

 

[CO B-man]

This is my first thread guys and I feel like I need opinions on it. My history,

7 months ago I was 252lbs and I have no clue what my bf% was but I was really fat. Im 5 11 by the way. I ran and ran at first until I had lost around 30lbs and then I started lifting. I cant put into words how much I love to just absolutely kill myself at the gym, but oh the pain. I had an easy connect on perks and started at one a day and never went over that. So I just recently detoxed for the first time in 2 months and JESUS F-ING CHRIST, I cant move for the last week. Im making great gains, but am I cheating by killing the pain?


Also, another good friend of mine has been on test-e since high school and says it helps recovery and pain. I was thinking of kicking the pills for test and actually get something out of it.

Look, I know Im a newbie to this shit and some people are going to think Im a punk for the pain pills but I will lift pain or none so let me know about the test.

Caustin

Dude you will be surprised how many of us here have struggled with an addiction or two in here. You would not believe it! I do not believe Test-E is going to do anything for fighting pain like the pain-killer. Painkillers suck to get off of it takes about 2-3 weeks depending on how your body reacts. For me the first week literally hurt my legs my arms my whole body, could not sleep at night, night sweats etc. They gave me tons of energy to work out with dont get me wrong but the peeps in here will tell you the loss of fat is not worth it in the long run. The best thing for you is to learn more about a proper diet not dumbass atkins diets or something like that but real nutrition. Cardio is definately good. DONT overtrain yourself or specific muscles etc. When you decide to cycel there are things legal and some not so legal things that can help. The AF store sells Thermorexin that helps a lot and cardio breeze which for me helped but I prefer Trex the best those are legal options. As far as illegal options you should be cycling tes for which is T3 and Clenbuterol. either of these two options combined with cardio and a proper diet will help you kick ass with losing weight. Anyway, big cracker also and others here have good advice when referring to painkiller addiction and that does NOT make you a punk just makes you prone to some serious problems you dont want!

 

[BigCracker]

Very good point....soreness is fine..that just means you actually hit the muscle..pain is our body's way of saying something is wrong. Personally I don't understand why so many people eat percs or vics and say Nubain is worse..from a scientific standpoint, Nubain is the least addictive of the 3..oxycodone & hydrocodone are much easier to abuse. The FDA thinks so..percs are class B, vics are class C and Nubain is class D...food for thought........

Is it possible nubain is class D because less people will be prone to use it since it's injectable??? Most avg peeps will pop a pill w/o 2nd thought-but to jab yourself w/ a needle of nubain(esp mainline)takes a little more courage(stupidity). I can't see how the instant rush of mainlining Nubain can be less addictive than popping a pill that takes a little while to kick in.

 

[1Mistake2006]

Is it possible nubain is class D because less people will be prone to use it since it's injectable??? Most avg peeps will pop a pill w/o 2nd thought-but to jab yourself w/ a needle of nubain(esp mainline)takes a little more courage(stupidity). I can't see how the instant rush of mainlining Nubain can be less addictive than popping a pill that takes a little while to kick in.

The FDA & DEA have strict guidelines when placing drugs in classes...Nubain was proven to be the least likely to cause abuse...that said, its still a derivitave of morphine so use caution. ..also its shown to be of less abuse than codeine with is actually OTC in Canada..I'm NOT saying its ok to use, just not as addictive as percs,vics,etc.....

 

[caustin]

I appreciate all of the help guys. Im just going to deal with the detox for now and benedryl it at night to kick the figityness( dont know if thats a word or not). I think my doctor actually lifts so maybe he will give me somas for the soreness, he had given me them years ago, pre-working out. Hes actually the one that told me lifting is the best exersise I can do to get me started in the first place. I think I will start a cycle in a few months though, but will research until I am no longer confused on what I should actually be cycling.

Thanks again, Caustin

 

[t3st]

Why do people ask for advice if they don't want it?

 

[blut wump]

You don't specify what is hurting. If it's simple muscle-soreness then change your workouts. Switch over to something like the 5x5 where you work your lifts multiple times per week, muscle-soreness will go away as your conditioning improves. Increase your glutamine and taurine consumption. Take a multi vit/mineral, increase calcium consumption and ensure that you drink plenty of water.

If it's joints that are aching then the pain is there to tell you that you are damaging yourself. Find a way to treat the cause and not the symptom.

Nobody gives a damn about the concept of cheating in this context; I don't even understand what you mean by it. Taking painkillers to deal with discomfort from working out, though, is self-destructive.

 

[LiquidPhire]

Is it possible nubain is class D because less people will be prone to use it since it's injectable??? Most avg peeps will pop a pill w/o 2nd thought-but to jab yourself w/ a needle of nubain(esp mainline)takes a little more courage(stupidity). I can't see how the instant rush of mainlining Nubain can be less addictive than popping a pill that takes a little while to kick in.

I Agree completely, Ive injected H/Morphine before mainline. How is that possible the rush is no where near comparable to any pill orally. including Oxycontin.

 

[LiquidPhire]

But the bottom line is Pain Meds in general are a BAD idea... My drug of choice is the high I get from working out and , test =)

 

[BigCracker]

The FDA & DEA have strict guidelines when placing drugs in classes...Nubain was proven to be the least likely to cause abuse...that said, its still a derivitave of morphine so use caution. ..also its shown to be of less abuse than codeine with is actually OTC in Canada..I'm NOT saying its ok to use, just not as addictive as percs,vics,etc.....

OK then if the DEA are the ones in charge of what drugs are more likely to be abused than others, explain to me how the DEA actually did not want the Anabolic Steroids Control Act to into place in the late 80's early 90's. It still went through in spite of the DEA saying they didn't need another substance to oversee.

I still believe it takes a certain type of person to load a syringe and jab themselves to get high-and that's the only reason oral PK's are more addictive in their "all knowing" eyes.

 

[sparetire]

Why do people ask for advice if they don't want it?

because they want someone to validate their excuse for using drugs as a legitimite reason for pain control..and they're in denial. The smartest thing this guy should do is detox and stay sober for a while and get his life into check. Like I said waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay above all is that most steroid users are addicts, it's just that bbr's use a much safer drug like steroids (overall).

 

[BigCracker]

because they want someone to validate their excuse for using drugs as a legitimite reason for pain control..and they're in denial. The smartest thing this guy should do is detox and stay sober for a while and get his life into check. Like I said waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay above all is that most steroid users are addicts, it's just that bbr's use a much safer drug like steroids (overall).

Spoken like a true prodigy. lol

 

[caustin]

And you nicely validated your own addiction in the process. At least you don't need someone else to fill in the blanks for you. 500 test-e 250x2 starting monday. arimidex after, done with pain pills for now. I'm not looking for a high, I'm looking for size. I can deal with pain.

 

[1Mistake2006]

OK then if the DEA are the ones in charge of what drugs are more likely to be abused than others, explain to me how the DEA actually did not want the Anabolic Steroids Control Act to into place in the late 80's early 90's. It still went through in spite of the DEA saying they didn't need another substance to oversee.

I still believe it takes a certain type of person to load a syringe and jab themselves to get high-and that's the only reason oral PK's are more addictive in their "all knowing" eyes.

Congress stepped in ...which they do alot..they did it with MDMA in the late 80's and then again in 2000. Congress wanted "an even sports playing field"...yeah right

 

[sparetire]

And you nicely validated your own addiction in the process. At least you don't need someone else to fill in the blanks for you. 500 test-e 250x2 starting monday. arimidex after, done with pain pills for now. I'm not looking for a high, I'm looking for size. I can deal with pain.

I seriously wouldn't say that using steroids is an addiction. Steroids aren't physiologically addictive, and hardly mental either. Most people love looking great and there's nothing wrong with that bro. I haven't used steroids in a while now, i'm still in recovery from a surgery. All I'm saying is that if you have a problem with pain killers, get off - get sober. Using steroids often drives those who have the addict gene or addictive personalities to use alcohol in excess or other drugs. A lot of people I know personally, live a life of a bbr and not a drug user - cuz they choose to do so. Of course, they could go down that road, but when you're training so hard everyday to put muscle on - eating right - what's the point of screwing all that up for a cheap high? So, if you are in pain, so much pain that you do need something stronger - then go for it, but don't abuse it, but decide which you want to do first before starting this cycle... but if you are truly ready to give the pain meds up, great! good luck and work your ass off and get big bro!

 

[Algy]

Pain killers are another short-cut, the idea being you can train harder, longer and more frequently. The problem is this is a short-sighted view as pain killers are also addictive. Before long you will want a better bang for your buck and move from oral to Nubain.......We can all tell stories of how some great guys have fallen to almost skeletons from Nubain addiction. A gym that I use to use in UK had the Nubain wave, most moved onto heroin as that is the next step. Its cheaper and stronger. It is highly addictive, an appetite surpresive and a character alterant.
If these words and other post of advice you have read on this thread aint enough to tell you to ride the pain/soreness, we better end here bro!

Algy

 

[jetty]

I've taken my share of perks, vics, somas. To tell you the truth i don't mind the pain anymore. It hurts so good i guess. I take natural supplements to help me eliminate lactic acid buildup and use Bioflex for my shoulder. I'm down to only one or two perks per week and i use a docs script only. I will never take pain relievers like i use too. Hell in the field house during my football years we'd pass Vics around like a bag of skittles.

 

[LiquidPhire]

I've taken my share of perks, vics, somas. To tell you the truth i don't mind the pain anymore. It hurts so good i guess. I take natural supplements to help me eliminate lactic acid buildup and use Bioflex for my shoulder. I'm down to only one or two perks per week and i use a docs script only. I will never take pain relievers like i use too. Hell in the field house during my football years we'd pass Vics around like a bag of skittles.

haha yes! except vikes suck =)