Apparently I was wrong about dbol only cycles

[twinker]

Hi!

Alltough i was thinking of something completly different this thread made me think a bit about dbol.
What do you think of a low dose of 15-20mg ed of dbol stacked with 0.5mg ed of ari(to prevent bloating) for maybe as short as 4 weeks.
Never done anything but a cycle of prohormones before.
To little, to short to get any gains?
I'm 30 years old, 175 cm, 195 pounds and have been training for 10 years.

 

[Madcow2]

You guys do realize that the bloating and estrogen play singificant role in gaining LBM? Anti Es are not optimal for maximal gains. At the very minimum the added volume enables significantly supperior leverage in your lifts - I'm unsure exactly how blocking the conversion to estrogen plays a part in gains other than this but this is a fairly widely held belief and I believe I've seen the science behind it posted before. So unless something has totally turned upside down if you are going to take a low dose dbol cycle, this is something to consider as you WILL impact your gains.

EDIT:
Here's a bit of science on it - not the greatest source in the world for science but adequate.
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/catnolv.htm
"Lastly, one should be aware that use of these compounds can reduce the gains made on steroids. Nolvadex more so than clomid, simply because it is stronger. Estrogen is responsible for a number of anabolic factors such as increasing growth hormone output, upgrading the androgen receptor and improving glucose utilization. This is why aromatizing steroids like testosterone are still best suited for maximum muscle gain. When reducing the estrogen levels, we therefore reduce the potential gains being made. For this reason one may opt to try clomid during a cycle instead of Nolvadex. Although I would imagine that the problem that needed solved would be of more concern, in which case Nolva remains the weapon of choice. It's a plain fact that there is a high correlation between gains and side-effects. Either you go for maximum gains and tolerate the side-effects, or you reduce the side-effects, and with it the gains. That's life, nothing is free."

 

[kahbab]

ok guys here is the 1st day of week 4. i got a lot stronger in week 2-3 and added 6-7 lbs so far but i am still solid, the only bloat i got went to my stomach. keep in mind i am not a big person by any means.

 

[twinker]

You guys do realize that the bloating and estrogen play singificant role in gaining LBM? Anti Es are not optimal for maximal gains.

Ok. Say i drop the ari then. Would such low doses at such short time give any gains?

 

[H_T_]

good post bump

 

[Madcow2]

Ok. Say i drop the ari then. Would such low doses at such short time give any gains?

Well they will certainly give less with arimidex. The gains you make are entirely composed of:

1) Your training - usually uniformly shit and the reason people take roids in the first place (that is the simple truth)
2) Your diet - contrary to popular belief - satisfying dietary requirements for growth is fairly easy. Get a lot of good protein throughout the day (meats/fish/whey/dairy) and consume a lot of calories - if you are weighing your egg whites and trying to get big, you need to go relax and eat McDonalds. If you start to get fat, pull back or clean your diet up.
3) Your genetics - ability of your body to efficiently utilize exogenous testosterone and derrivatives (this can vary significantly between individuals)

I can't speak to any of these for you but you will find an account of my using dbol for 4-5 weeks somewhere in this thread. I do fairly well on it but I also cover the 3 bases above very well hence all the caveats you will find in that same post.

Essentially, I know what works for me - replicate at your own risk. No warranty provided nor implied.

 

[luciano]

Im dbol only user .
1. If u dont train and eat properly u will gain only water and obviously u will loose everything, thats what happened with those who said its a waste.
2. U wont grow big from few cycles with 25 mg , u need many cycles between 30 and 50 mg to get really big.U need probably 2 years ON ( total ) until ull be fine.
Dbol will last long time from now on coz it is real good and effective , it just works no mater what.

 

[needsize]

You guys do realize that the bloating and estrogen play singificant role in gaining LBM? Anti Es are not optimal for maximal gains. At the very minimum the added volume enables significantly supperior leverage in your lifts - I'm unsure exactly how blocking the conversion to estrogen plays a part in gains other than this but this is a fairly widely held belief and I believe I've seen the science behind it posted before. So unless something has totally turned upside down if you are going to take a low dose dbol cycle, this is something to consider as you WILL impact your gains.

EDIT:
Here's a bit of science on it - not the greatest source in the world for science but adequate.
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/catnolv.htm
"Lastly, one should be aware that use of these compounds can reduce the gains made on steroids. Nolvadex more so than clomid, simply because it is stronger. Estrogen is responsible for a number of anabolic factors such as increasing growth hormone output, upgrading the androgen receptor and improving glucose utilization. This is why aromatizing steroids like testosterone are still best suited for maximum muscle gain. When reducing the estrogen levels, we therefore reduce the potential gains being made. For this reason one may opt to try clomid during a cycle instead of Nolvadex. Although I would imagine that the problem that needed solved would be of more concern, in which case Nolva remains the weapon of choice. It's a plain fact that there is a high correlation between gains and side-effects. Either you go for maximum gains and tolerate the side-effects, or you reduce the side-effects, and with it the gains. That's life, nothing is free."

it amazes me how often I agree with your posts, and have preached the same thing myself. I've been saying this for years, the bloat gives you strength, the strength (if your diet is in check), will lead to more mass.....therefor the bloat is your friend, hold it tight and never let go....

 

[Madcow2]

I'd return the kind compliment with Karma but I must have agreed with something you said in the recent past which is now blocking me. So I'll thank you here.

 

[bicepts101]

ok guys here is the 1st day of week 4. i got a lot stronger in week 2-3 and added 6-7 lbs so far but i am still solid, the only bloat i got went to my stomach. keep in mind i am not a big person by any means.

http://img86.exs.cx/img86/3904/10015656pg.jpg

dude why are u juicing?...