Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below just looking for some feed back here. i plan on running 750 mg test c next cycle. this will be my third.im 23 years old. previous cycles were 500 mg test c 400 mg de.ca. and last cycle was just 500 mg test with 3 week dbol 30 mg. what can i expect to feel like on this much test? eg sides. all input appreciated thanks again bros
anyone whos ran over 500mg test
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enacer420nj
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Honestly you shouldnt need those dosages at your age you were probably too young when you started...if your 23 and you cant get results you need with diet/training and low dosage cycle your doing something wrong.
well i did my first at 21 only do one a year. i am quite happy with the results i have got from my previous cycles. im 5.8 and 160 lbs. i think i look good. most of you guys will prob think im skinny and compared to some of you i am! thats cool im not looking to be the next mr o. well anyway back to the thread what im getting at is what will be the difference from 500 mg to 750 mg. oh and enhancer your right i probly was too young when i did my first cycle
enacer420nj
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cadey said:
Im not trying to flame on you, but 5'8 160, ya sounds like you dont have alot of mass....With the dosages your talking about (500-750mg test) sounds like you are trying to up your weight/mass right? If your running high dosages but not getting the weight you want it sounds like your diet...post up what you eat
enacer420nj
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daville said:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
might be the smartest second post ive ever seen
ok well here goes breakfast- 4 eggs 100g oats ,protein shake with milk.enacer420nj said:
dinner- lamb or steak or chicken dinner with fresh veggies protein shake with 50g oats
supper-spag bol or brown rice with chicken or fish protein shake
i get lots of fresh veggies in my diet and i snack on tins of skippers throughtout the day. diet varys i get sick of eating the same stuff. i try and get around 300g of protein and 500 g of carbs a day although this is hard sometimes
IronmanLV
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I have to agree with enacer420nj you are not eating enough and probably not getting enough quality protein either. You won't notice any difference from 500 - 750mg just the possibility of more sides.
If you're 5' 8" and 160 you haven't even come close to your natural potential. You shouldn't have even done a cycle until you had at least 3 - 5 yrs of solid training and nutrition behind you.
You will only benefit from gear once you have gotten at least the above accomplished first, otherwise you're just pissing money away and risking your health for nothing.
I know this isn't the advice you're seeking but probably the best advice you'll get but I'm sure you will ignore. Anyway, my advice is save the gear money and go grocery shopping and maybe hire a good trainer, one that looks like you aspire to look like someday and follow their advice until you know what you're doing.
If you're 5' 8" and 160 you haven't even come close to your natural potential. You shouldn't have even done a cycle until you had at least 3 - 5 yrs of solid training and nutrition behind you.
You will only benefit from gear once you have gotten at least the above accomplished first, otherwise you're just pissing money away and risking your health for nothing.
I know this isn't the advice you're seeking but probably the best advice you'll get but I'm sure you will ignore. Anyway, my advice is save the gear money and go grocery shopping and maybe hire a good trainer, one that looks like you aspire to look like someday and follow their advice until you know what you're doing.
yourmomgoestocollege
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This entire 12 week cycle I have been on 500mg a week. For the past 2 weeks I upped the dosage to 750 while I am bridging to a new cycle and all I have noticed is more irritability and bloat. NO STRENGTH GAINS WHATSOEVER...so speaking from experience I would say stay at 500mg. None of us are Jay Cutler or Ronnie Coleman here. A buddy of mine who competes said he never ran over 750mg a week. He is 230 lbs ripped when he walks on stage.
enacer420nj
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cadey said:
lol what the fuck is a skipper bro? lmao...im a littel confused are you eating fish/meat with a protein shake? from what im reading your only eating 3 whole meals a day you wanna divide that over about 7...at your weight you should probably be around 4-4500 cals
perryscoon
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maybe a few more boners. its not that much different.
I've done suspension 150mg/ed and loved it. however, i believe i was in love with the suspension more than I was the dosage itself. 
Powerbuilder333
Timeout? No, timeouts are for Plats
Try: 500mg test e EW.
400mg deca EW.
40mg dbol ED.
Should be a wonderfull 3rd cycle.
400mg deca EW.
40mg dbol ED.
Should be a wonderfull 3rd cycle.
cadey said:
If you've doen 3 cycles and you only weigh 160 lbs, there is something definitely wrong. That is not big at all. I know a lot of people that are that size, and even a lot bigger in their 1st year of training and never used gear. You have one of 2 problems or both.
1) Your diet isn't good enough. You need to eat a lot more.
2) your dedication to training and diet isn't even close to as concrete as it needs to be to even merit the possibility of even considering the use of steroids.
At 5'8" 160, you really don't have much impressive size at all. That is small, and anyone can get that big without steroids in 6 months training. I'm not being a douche either. Just being a Simon Cowell. Honest and blunt. And the fact that you've already done 2 cycles and you have only made it to that size is nothing short of pathetic. Again, not trying to be a dick in anyway.
Skip the gear and go natty until you can't possibly gain anymore weight. You've already jumped the gun on AAS use, but I wouldn't do it again if I were you.
But, if you are set on going another round, don't use 750 mg. It's basically worthless. And for your size, you could make solid gains off of 250mg a week, plus an oral.
ok im hearing you all. i know im not particullay big at all for the record calipers say im 5 % bf. i dont know how accurate that is. so after reading all your replys i will be sticking to 500mg. oh and enhancer skippers are fish just like sardines much better taste than tuna imo
cadey said:
Calipers said I was 8% lol. I'm more like 12% right now
Point about you not being that big is this:
You don't plan on being a huge competitive bodybuilder. I assume you want to just look good with your shirt off at the beach or whatever. You want a quick fix to reach your goals.
Anybody that just wants to have a lean and somewhat muscular body should NOT take steroids. Steroids are for Bodybuilders to help them be huge and ripped on stage, and are for powerlifters to lift 800+ lbs. If you don't want either of those things, steroids are not your answer period, end of story.
Why take a potentially harmful drug for something so easily acheivable without it? Seems like to me you need to tighten up your jockstrap a little bit and put in some solid work at the gym without the juice and get the results you want without it, because you can do it, you just don't want to work hard for it. Yeah, on juice you have to work even harder and eat more intense, but if you aren't doing that already, juice ain't doin shit for you in the long run. you'll lose your gains in months time. These poeple that are on here and are juicing are BIG, and they compete. Your gols , if they merit you taking steroids should be big, bigger and stronger every day. A never ending quest to get maximum size and definition. If you don't care for that, then steroids shouldn't be a consideration.
That's my $.02
njmuscleguy
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cadey,
Ok, they've all drilled it into you.... same opinion here...don't look to a higher dosage to get better gains... EAT MORE....then after that, EAT SOME MORE....and you know what, after that, EAT AGAIN. Only way you're going to allow your body to do anything with the AAS you're putting into it!
Curious, how much did you weigh as you started your first cycle? I GUARANTEE had you changed your diet and training DRASTICALLY for those three years instead of turning to AAS, you would've gained just as much ,maybe more, without having to tax your system with AAS at a younger age.
Ok, they've all drilled it into you.... same opinion here...don't look to a higher dosage to get better gains... EAT MORE....then after that, EAT SOME MORE....and you know what, after that, EAT AGAIN. Only way you're going to allow your body to do anything with the AAS you're putting into it!
Curious, how much did you weigh as you started your first cycle? I GUARANTEE had you changed your diet and training DRASTICALLY for those three years instead of turning to AAS, you would've gained just as much ,maybe more, without having to tax your system with AAS at a younger age.
cadey said:
For me the magic number with test enanthate is inject 250mg E3D. So some weeks your getting 500 and some your getting 750 but your blood levels should be really level. Keeping your blood levels even seems to help with the sides. I generally hold water and a bit of acne. Nothing out of the norm.
ok i weighed 145 lbs before i touched juice. i gained 15 lbs on first cycle and kept about 7-8 and the same on the second. i too beleive that i could have gained that naturally. well aside from all your advice and i know its good advice else i wouldnt have come here asking i will just hit 500 mg next time. if i can do the same again as i did last 2 cycles i will be happy. i look at some of the cycles people post up on here and im like damn! i will continue to do one cycle per year of 500 mg test. a little extra test cant hurt me can it?njmuscleguy said:
thanks for all your replys any how peace
702daswoll1
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alcatraz1662 said:I've done suspension 150mg/ed and loved it. however, i believe i was in love with the suspension more than I was the dosage itself.
Im the same way with propionate.
abolish the weak
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dabuffguy said:
I see where your coming from on one hand, but I disagree with a few things. First off, I dont think as many people as you mention actually compete on the forums. I bet it's a much smaller % than people assume. Second off, the guy is going to do it regardless. Think about it, if he's in the shit enough to search for a juice forum he's obviously thought it over in his head enough times to realize the answer is yes and not no. So with that being said, I think his cycle is a good one, and I'm not one to judge his stats. Forget his stats, the question was about the cycle. Go for it, just have proper PCT bud
abolish the weak
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slat1 said:
Bullshit, if that was the case why are pro bodybuilders running 3 grams a week? Big difference!!! But it takes being able to handle that much, thats the key. I myself wouldn't run over 1.5 grams/wk but let me tell you, 1.5 grams/wk is a far fucking cry from 250 mg/wk. No disrespect bro, but huge difference once you get over 5-700
slat1
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abolish the weak said:
1. Not all Pro's are on 3 grams a week. How do I know this? I am friendly with a few. I also work a few times a year with two well know guru's who design some other Pro's cycles.
2. Sure its a big difference between 250mgs a week and 3 grams. I was not talking about that. I was talking about the difference between 500mgs a week and 250mgs a week (and 500 to 750).
3. Again. I agree. 1.5 grams a week is a huge difference then 250 a week. 500 a week, as I mentioned, is not much of a difference then 250 a week.
That said I can tell you that 1.5 grams of test a week is more then two Pro's I talk to have ever taken. Both have topped out at 875 a week.
On the other side of the table I know one that does a CC of Enanthate a day along with various other stuff in large quantities.
That said I agree that everything changes once you get above 750. I have seen it first hand in a few training partners.
Myself I have never touched even 750 (I went up to 600). I still respond to a very little amount so I don't see the need. The difference between 250 and 600 for me was water. My training partner dropped from 750 to 500 and said he would never go back since he gets the same results with one less CC a week.
Plus I am getting old and I would freak out the people I worked with if I showed up at 290 - 300. Hell, they freaked out when I was 265.
I should mention I like to stay in shape. That means not sacrificing abs for size. That might explain why I tend to use less then more.
Hopefully, I did not come across as a dick.
jagerbombme
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i can tell you all this on test prop, 100mg eod to 130ED, huge huge huge huge huge, did i say huge, fucking difference, size, strength, pumps, without changing diet. could be done with slight changes in diet however at 150mg EOD i've noticed, however i feel invincible right now on
130mg test prop ED
80mg tren A ED
no ai as bp is in this range 115/60
no bloat
hard as a fucking rock
loving it
i think personally youll be more bloated on 750 since i assume we are talking long esters, than on 500, however i think your gonna feel twice as good. 1g i think is too much, start to feel shitty.
130mg test prop ED
80mg tren A ED
no ai as bp is in this range 115/60
no bloat
hard as a fucking rock
loving it
i think personally youll be more bloated on 750 since i assume we are talking long esters, than on 500, however i think your gonna feel twice as good. 1g i think is too much, start to feel shitty.
ran sust 250 e/o/d w/o any real issues except my skin had more oil that the Valdez spilled--but i did run it w/.25 of liquidex and 500/h.c.g throughout.
that said, i stick to w/around 500 /week
that said, i stick to w/around 500 /week
njmuscleguy
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cadey said:ok i weighed 145 lbs before i touched juice. i gained 15 lbs on first cycle and kept about 7-8 and the same on the second. i too beleive that i could have gained that naturally. well aside from all your advice and i know its good advice else i wouldnt have come here asking i will just hit 500 mg next time. if i can do the same again as i did last 2 cycles i will be happy. i look at some of the cycles people post up on here and im like damn! i will continue to do one cycle per year of 500 mg test. a little extra test cant hurt me can it?
let me give you some perspective from personal experience.... I ran my first 2-3 cycles at higher dosages than I should've....I fully admit, I didn't know better....I'm not talking a gram plus per week of say test, but higher than necessary for a first cycle....then I learned a lot more about cycles, training, dieting...alot from EF.... I then LOWERED all my dosages considerably and you know what? I GAINED MORE muscle in those subsequent cycles and looked much better..... and that's where I have been with my dosages ever since....and I'm still making progress.... I don't know if MORE AAS will get allow you to compete, but I don't care since I'm not planning on competing... my humble opinion is that even competitors don't need some of the insane dosages that some of them run. That's just me though.
cboogsrun said:
Point taken.
I guess i did exxagerate to get the point accross, but someone with a relatively low weight shouldn't take steroids when a natural training regimen could EASILY acheive the results he is looking for. There's no more to discuss about it really. Everythings already been said.
IronmanLV
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My last word on this topic is use only as much as necessary to get results. This is different for everyone. I find the synergy between 2 or more compounds vs just one is the best for me and most people I know, like test & deca, or test & tren, etc. That way you don't need as much of a particular compound and in many cases can avoid many sides and ancillary drugs but get exceptional results. More isn't always better.
I am a competitive bodybuilder and am friends with many pros and many that are house hold names in bodybuilding and you would be surprised to know most are not taking nearly as much gear as many people think or as much as some of you on here claim to take.
I have done over 50 cycles during my many yrs of bodybuilding and I still get great results using just 500mg Test-e and 400mg Tren-e a week split in 2 doses a week. But before I ever took the first AAS I learned how to train naturally and properly for 5 yrs and learned how to eat right and how to recover naturally. Once I had a solid base then I tried AAS and yes the results were and still are amazing.
Most pros are using insulin, GH and a reasonable amount of AAS compounds to get their freaky size. Yes, I know genetics gets thrown around a lot but it does make a difference along with lots of food, hard work, rest and muscle maturity.
You know you can take all the gear there is, but if you don't know how to train, how to eat and put in your time in the gym the gear may help a little but not much. Sort of like the original poster. He's done 3 cycles and has only gone from 145 to 160lbs. Sorry bro, but that's pathetic. I could train you naturally and I bet in 6 months at your age if you followed my advice you would be over 200 lbs and lean w/o taking any AAS. Like the old saying...What's the definition of insanity? Continuing to do the same thing expecting different results. Any of this getting through?
The question I have is why do so many people here use so much shit just to look good at the pool or the beach? Especially you guys still in your 20's. You don't need that much and it's definitely not worth the money or the health risks.
I am a competitive bodybuilder and am friends with many pros and many that are house hold names in bodybuilding and you would be surprised to know most are not taking nearly as much gear as many people think or as much as some of you on here claim to take.
I have done over 50 cycles during my many yrs of bodybuilding and I still get great results using just 500mg Test-e and 400mg Tren-e a week split in 2 doses a week. But before I ever took the first AAS I learned how to train naturally and properly for 5 yrs and learned how to eat right and how to recover naturally. Once I had a solid base then I tried AAS and yes the results were and still are amazing.
Most pros are using insulin, GH and a reasonable amount of AAS compounds to get their freaky size. Yes, I know genetics gets thrown around a lot but it does make a difference along with lots of food, hard work, rest and muscle maturity.
You know you can take all the gear there is, but if you don't know how to train, how to eat and put in your time in the gym the gear may help a little but not much. Sort of like the original poster. He's done 3 cycles and has only gone from 145 to 160lbs. Sorry bro, but that's pathetic. I could train you naturally and I bet in 6 months at your age if you followed my advice you would be over 200 lbs and lean w/o taking any AAS. Like the old saying...What's the definition of insanity? Continuing to do the same thing expecting different results. Any of this getting through?
The question I have is why do so many people here use so much shit just to look good at the pool or the beach? Especially you guys still in your 20's. You don't need that much and it's definitely not worth the money or the health risks.
enacer420nj
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IronmanLV said:
Good post bro
dabuffguy said:
If he does it in a healthy manner shouldn't make any difference what his weight is. Taking a gram a week when you only weigh 140 is stupid. At 140 you wouldn't have the mass to use all of the gear. Some guys are naturally smaller, doesn't necessarily mean they should use gear. Healthy is the key, not how much you weigh
abolish the weak
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slat1 said:
Nah bro, no offense taken. And yes, I do agree with you that 250-500mg/wk is similar in results. hahaha, if the rest of me would catch up to my back I'd be aright. Peace
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