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anyone who does not bench?
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louden_swain
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Have you ever considered:
Weak point training? (back, delts, triceps)
Performing different variations?
Floor presses?
Heavy lockouts?
Speed Work?
Changing the angles of the press? (incline or decline?
Ever thought about changing technique?
Changing elbow positions?
Chaning Grips?
Changing arch in back?
Sounds to me like you need to think about these items. . .plus you need to experiment.
Also, evaluate your current form and technique. . this can be holding you back.
Weak point training? (back, delts, triceps)
Performing different variations?
Floor presses?
Heavy lockouts?
Speed Work?
Changing the angles of the press? (incline or decline?
Ever thought about changing technique?
Changing elbow positions?
Chaning Grips?
Changing arch in back?
Sounds to me like you need to think about these items. . .plus you need to experiment.
Also, evaluate your current form and technique. . this can be holding you back.
JollyRogers
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Bench and Dbell's l like both
Tiervexx
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louden_swain said:
Great post, but I strongly disagree with arching your back. If I arch my back a little I can get an extra 30lbs out of the lift but that is not because I got any stronger. Unless you are in or preparing for a competition you might as well let your upper body take all the stress.
Tiervexx said:
You can use more weight because you are transferring the weight to a much safer plane. If I squat in a safer stance...I also can do more weight...
Without an arch, you basically can not tuck your shoulder blades nor can you push away...hence putting A LOT more stress on your shoulders and mainly causing injury.
I see your point as a void one...
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Tiervexx, I have to admit, I'm bad about using technec to muscle up the wieght on the bench press, which probably accounts for some of my injuries. Its a habit I picked up from my first training partner, who was a competative powerlifter, and from my cousin who I trained with alot early on, who is a football player. I was taught to bench like a powerlifter not a bodybuilder. Yes, it allowed me to handle heavier poundages, but I don't think it help build a better physique than if I had used lighter wieghts, less technique and focused on squeezing and contracting my pecs.
hellboy
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At first it was hard to give up the flat bench. Let's face it. It's an ego lift. You get psyched up for it. First thing anyone asks is "how much do you bench?"
Just let it go for 2 months and use dumbells. I'll give you a "bench back guarantee". If you're not 100% satisfied with your results you can go back to the bench with NO EXTRA CHARGE. And I'll even let you keep the carryover for free.
Just let it go for 2 months and use dumbells. I'll give you a "bench back guarantee". If you're not 100% satisfied with your results you can go back to the bench with NO EXTRA CHARGE. And I'll even let you keep the carryover for free.
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DBCooper
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Take more shit.
bignate73
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dips....are notorious for shoulder/AC strain.
dbells are basically barbells that bring your hands together at the top.
if someone is doing presses and not reinforcing their rotators, they will be prone to injury. also, the style of bench press people use will dictate what acts as the shock absorber at the bottom of a press. elbows wide and flared, your going to naturally rely on the shoulders. anyone who wants to speak from experience will say they "feel" it in their shoulders (stretching). the biggest difference anyone can make is to move that bar from the nipple line to the xyphoid process. its evident if you just take an unloaded bar and try it. even more on the incline (maybe not to the xyphoid but lower on the chest).
i recommend digging up the post from a few weeks back which had the "myths of the squat and bench press part 2". very informative read. read that article and then hit the gym and try some of it out for yourselves.
remember PL'ers move tremendous amount of weight and walk away from it. the average gym member gets under a fraction of those weights and walks away rotating their arm and rubbing their shoulder...who do you want to listen to?
dbells are basically barbells that bring your hands together at the top.
if someone is doing presses and not reinforcing their rotators, they will be prone to injury. also, the style of bench press people use will dictate what acts as the shock absorber at the bottom of a press. elbows wide and flared, your going to naturally rely on the shoulders. anyone who wants to speak from experience will say they "feel" it in their shoulders (stretching). the biggest difference anyone can make is to move that bar from the nipple line to the xyphoid process. its evident if you just take an unloaded bar and try it. even more on the incline (maybe not to the xyphoid but lower on the chest).
i recommend digging up the post from a few weeks back which had the "myths of the squat and bench press part 2". very informative read. read that article and then hit the gym and try some of it out for yourselves.
remember PL'ers move tremendous amount of weight and walk away from it. the average gym member gets under a fraction of those weights and walks away rotating their arm and rubbing their shoulder...who do you want to listen to?
IronLion said:
Quoting Cousin Eddy from National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation???
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Eatmorechicken
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I don't do them.
The barbell version is a "good" exercise in the general sense, but comparing the two in nearly any way other than ego or competetive powerlifting points to the dumbell version being superior.
Less movement restricitions means more stabilizing strength and coordination involvement. That means more balanced improvements in strength which means less likelyhood of injury. It also means more practical increases in strength for most sports, as studies comparing the strength increase carryover from dumbell vs. barbell training to athletic movements have shown.
Top that all off with the fact that EMG studies consistently show the pectorals to be significantly more active during the dumbell bench versus the barbell version, and you just have a better exercise for most people.
The barbell version is a "good" exercise in the general sense, but comparing the two in nearly any way other than ego or competetive powerlifting points to the dumbell version being superior.
Less movement restricitions means more stabilizing strength and coordination involvement. That means more balanced improvements in strength which means less likelyhood of injury. It also means more practical increases in strength for most sports, as studies comparing the strength increase carryover from dumbell vs. barbell training to athletic movements have shown.
Top that all off with the fact that EMG studies consistently show the pectorals to be significantly more active during the dumbell bench versus the barbell version, and you just have a better exercise for most people.
Singleton
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I like both DB and BB, but I used to like only DB until I got better at benching.
If I had to pick one, it would be DB. DB makes me have better form and I'm not as likely to hurt my elbows and shoulders.
But I love BB press, too.
Pullovers are a good massbuilding compound exercise. Builds the serratus which will help push the chest out.
If I had to pick one, it would be DB. DB makes me have better form and I'm not as likely to hurt my elbows and shoulders.
But I love BB press, too.
Pullovers are a good massbuilding compound exercise. Builds the serratus which will help push the chest out.
