I bought their winny a few years ago and then heard bad reviews so I wasn't shure about it. A friend of mine (who just isn't financialy able to buy juice) was dying to try some sort of cycle. I told him he could have that bottle if he wanted, but I "don't know how good it is, if at all, but your welcome to it" and gave him some clomid to finish. He got freakin' R-I-P-P-E-D! So you hear some say bad things about it, but in my experience it just show everyone will have different opinions on the same product. To me it was the most impressive transformation I have ever seen using one single compound!