Anyone Know much about Body by Science...

[ELITE_1]

-Is it any good for a hardgrainer trying to bulk up?
-If i switched to BBS would my diet stay the same since I'll only working out once a week?
-As a hardgrainer trying to bulk up are there any flaws in BBS i should knw about?

Any extra tips, advice or expeirence with BBS are welcome.

 

[Big_BK]

Is this a book or something? Never heard of it personally.

 

[ELITE_1]

Yeah, there is a Body by Science book by Doug McGuff & John Little.

The book covers exercise & hypertrophy research exhaustively (really overly so, so I hear, because the authors wanted to put the issue to rest once and for all.)

They make a persuasive case that the way to reach your maximum genetic potential for fitness and muscular development is to lift heavy weights extremely slowly, to failure...and that you do only one set per week of only five exercises (or less) and that you do not spend more than ten minutes on the weekly workout.


Here's an example.
YouTube - Body By Science Training Video 1 Vee Ferguson

 

[JDid23]

i thought i was going to see someone who looked quite strong. Idc what lifts you perform. If you lift 10 minutes a week that is a fucking bullshit program that can't sell me. I am not even going to read this article. First off, if you want to gain muscle, then you need to lift heavy. 10 minutes won't allow you for more than 1 heavy set per any exercise if you're properly warming up.

Don't follow this bullshit and take a proven routine like rippetoes or 5x5. Being a "hardgainer", you are still able to gain, you just have to make more of an effort.

 

[SouthernLord]

Yeah, there is a Body by Science book by Doug McGuff & John Little.

The book covers exercise & hypertrophy research exhaustively (really overly so, so I hear, because the authors wanted to put the issue to rest once and for all.)

They make a persuasive case that the way to reach your maximum genetic potential for fitness and muscular development is to lift heavy weights extremely slowly, to failure...and that you do only one set per week of only five exercises (or less) and that you do not spend more than ten minutes on the weekly workout.


Here's an example.
YouTube - Body By Science Training Video 1 Vee Ferguson

GIMMICK

Where are the results? Doug McGuff & John Little look like they couldn't squat off the fucking toilet. I have a feeling this is spam and you are shilling this BS. No one in their right mind would fall for this shit.

 

[ELITE_1]

Anyone who discards hard science as quick as you just did is generally an unintelligent person. But whatever does it for you. Yes it does go against our current beliefs but that doesn’t mean it is not valid. The more I read the more I realise my beliefs (and the beliefs of most people on these bodybuilding forums) are incorrect.


And the reason for the once a week workout is because it takes the muscles a minimum of 7 days (often more) to fully recover from this workout. They talk about this and much more in-depth is you bothered to fucking LOOK.


Rippetoe’s program is what i'm currently doing. But I can see that changing slightly. I recommend everyone gives it a chance to change their opinion/beliefs. Starting with that link above, there are LOTS of posts/info on there that goes against the grain yet it makes a hell of a lot of sense. Plus I’m the type of person who finds any hard science based approach hard to ignore.


Not quite sure why I’m defending it. I’m looking for advice. I certainly wasn’t expecting such a knee-jerk brush off reaction by guys who haven’t even give it a chance. And being called out for spamming haha.

w/e.

 

[SouthernLord]

Anyone who discards hard science as quick as you just did is generally an unintelligent person. But whatever does it for you. Yes it does go against our current beliefs but that doesn’t mean it is not valid. The more I read the more I realise my beliefs (and the beliefs of most people on these bodybuilding forums) are incorrect.

And the reason for the once a week workout is because it takes the muscles a minimum of 7 days to fully recover. They talk about this and much more in-depth is you bothered fucking LOOKING.

Rippetoe’s program is what i'm currently doing. But I can see that changing slightly. I recommend everyone gives it a chance to change their opinion/beliefs. Starting with that link above, there are LOTS of posts/info on there that goes against the grain yet it makes a hell of a lot of sense. Plus I’m the type of person who finds any hard science based approach hard to ignore.

Not quite sure why I’m defending it. I’m looking for advice. I certainly wasn’t expecting such knee-jerk brush off reaction by guys who haven’t even give it a chance. And being called out for spamming haha.

w/e.

Well.... My real world experience proves this wrong. I do not need some pencil neck HIT Jedi to tell me any different. I don't care how much "science" backs up his claims.

Stick with rips 3x5 and pound the food if you are a "hardgainer". Or fuck it. Do this HIT Jedi shit. Stay small and weak.

 

[JDid23]

i can't believe i just watched that video. Look no disrespect to you man, but all the guy is doing in that video is machines and it's fucking stupid. As Southern said, you can try this workout and remain small or go onto big lifting that has worked for tons of people, not just this one guy who really doesn't even look too impressive. However, those weighted chins were pretty rediculous even though he didn't do 1 of them with full ROM (idk i just got home from soccer and i am sweating my balls off so im gonna go shower).

read this again please; http://www.bodybyscience.net/home.html/

if you think you'll get big doing those routines for 10 minutes a day (if that is phsyically possible) then you're crazy. I don't want to sound like a douche bag, but your thought process is preposterous. There are so many flaws with this program it's crazy, and if you think 10 minutes of this shit will give you results do it.

 

[Big_BK]

Anyone who discards hard science as quick as you just did is generally an unintelligent person.

You sound aloooooooooot like a spammer to me...

 

[Big_BK]

Well.... My real world experience proves this wrong. I do not need some pencil neck HIT Jedi to tell me any different. I don't care how much "science" backs up his claims.

Stick with rips 3x5 and pound the food if you are a "hardgainer". Or fuck it. Do this HIT Jedi shit. Stay small and weak.

Reminds me of my lame ass roommate i had last year that used to tell me about how him and his friends had their own "gym" and they used to workout to the p90x videos. He had 1 tub of celltech and another tub of some kind of protein and he had both of them the whole year, lol. Never saw him workout a day in his life.

 

[ELITE_1]

JD, first you refused to look at the link I provided then you pop up with a different link. I don't get that, did you go against your own word and go "searching" around for a part of BBS you didn't like or agree with just to come post it here?


The trouble is i've seen all the answers and counters to all the common objections people come up with, and based on studies. Don't you want to read about that? Thats retarded. Even if you check it out with an open mind and think "pffft what a pile of shit" at least you tried. I doubt you'd think that though. Atleast I havent thus far.


Anyways, Body by Science seems very unknown at the moment so doesn't look like I'll get my questions answered here. Going to order the book off amazon today and go from there (good reviews if anyone wants to look as well). It deffo seems like the next big thing people just don't know it yet.

Peace out x

 

[SouthernLord]

JD, first you refused to look at the link I provided then you pop up with a different link. I don't get that, did you go against your own word and go "searching" around for a part of BBS you didn't like or agree with just to come post it here?


The trouble is i've seen all the answers and counters to all the common objections people come up with, and based on studies. Don't you want to read about that? Thats retarded. Even if you check it out with an open mind and think "pffft what a pile of shit" at least you tried. I doubt you'd think that though. Atleast I havent thus far.


Anyways, Body by Science seems very unknown at the moment so doesn't look like I'll get my questions answered here. Going to order the book off amazon today and go from there (good reviews if anyone wants to look as well). It deffo seems like the next big thing people just don't know it yet.

Peace out x

This isn't anything new bro. Google Arthur Jones, Elliot Darden, and HIT "High Intensity training". While your at it google Mike Mentzer. The BBS guys are not doing anything new here. this shit has been around since the 70's.

Do you really think that 10 minutes a week of super slow training produces enough stimuli to build a beastly physique or athletic prowess?

Are you a beginner? You mention Rips 3x5 and being a hardgainer. Do you really think BBS would be right for you? Heavy weights and super slow reps sound like a dangerous plan for someone new to the game.

If it sounds to good to be true, then it usually is. Good luck.

 

[ELITE_1]

This isn't anything new bro. Google Arthur Jones, Elliot Darden, and HIT "High Intensity training". While your at it google Mike Mentzer. The BBS guys are not doing anything new here. this shit has been around since the 70's.

I know about those guys. BBS is the NEXT level to that. Its still a 'form' of HIT, I'm not saying its not.

Do you really think that 10 minutes a week of super slow training produces enough stimuli to build a beastly physique or athletic prowess?

I certainly didn't, no, but I certainly do now, yes. And thats because I allowed myself to question my own belief system on what I previously thought (by listening to the normal preached stuff)

But its more about reaching our maximum genetical potential. We are not all born to build a beastly physique or athletic prowess. BBS covers this subject in detail ONCE AGAIN.

Are you a beginner? You mention Rips 3x5 and being a hardgainer. Do you really think BBS would be right for you?

Thats exactly what I am trying to figure out. I'll get it answered somewhere else. If the answer is "no" I will not bother with BBS. Even though it seems very good, if it doesn't achive my mother goal I wont do it.

Heavy weights and super slow reps sound like a dangerous plan for someone new to the game.

quite the opposite. You really need to read it man. I am getting fucked off with the assumptions being made by people who haven't even checked it out. Assumptions are USELESS.

If it sounds to good to be true, then it usually is. Good luck.

Thank you. You to.

 

[SouthernLord]

I know about those guys. BBS is the NEXT level to that. Its still a 'form' of HIT, I'm not saying its not.



I certainly didn't, no, but I certainly do now, yes. And thats because I allowed myself to question my own belief system on what I previously thought (by listening to the normal preached stuff)

But its more about reaching our maximum genetical potential. We are not all born to build a beastly physique or athletic prowess. BBS covers this subject in detail ONCE AGAIN.



Thats exactly what I am trying to figure out. I'll get it answered somewhere else. If the answer is "no" I will not bother with BBS. Even though it seems very good, if it doesn't achive my mother goal I wont do it.



quite the opposite. You really need to read it man. I am getting fucked off with the assumptions being made by people who haven't even checked it out. Assumptions are USELESS.



Thank you. You to.

Ok bro. I'll check it out. When you're done with the book you can send it to me. PM me for my address.

 

[ELITE_1]

YAY, but its only £8.39 lol so you cant actually be serious. If so, get a job

 

[JDid23]

elite; i didn't mean to disrespect you in anyway, but just think about working out for 10 minutes a week. No matter what you do, you won't make steady gains. Also, that link i found was the guys link to his body science site, and those were some of his routines.

 

[the.gladiator1987]

hey elite, see my addy?

youll NEVER get there with 10 minutes of training. i promise you that. why do you want to cheat yourself? why do you think 10 minutes is good? do you think arnold would reccomend 10 minutes? fuck no go ball to the walls, train like an animal and youll be an animal

and for you to say youll go to another site and get your questions answered there is bullshit, pretty much not accepting that it doesnt work. we say no, give you reasons and you dont like it. wht do you think the other boards are gonna tell you? fuck man i understand people assume things, its not like 10 minutes of heavy ass training super slow willl do NOTHING, but i think you are gonna waste your time. try it for 6 months, get back to us, and well see how big and strong you are.

 

[ELITE_1]

All duly noted guys. Gladiator i will report back in a few months if i remember to say how everything its going.

When i find something, anything in a particular field, and it takes my fancy i will examine it from all angles, ask questions, look at the facts//evidence etc etc. I add it all up a then decide what to do. The reason I do that is because in most fields there is a HELL of a lot of shit advice floating around. Blind leading the blind. So I need to do my own homework, I don‘t just follow the crowd blindly.

The OP was an attempt to bring me closer to deciding. And to be honest I haven’t really seen an objection that BBS hasn’t already cleared up. All I’m seeing is that’s ridiculous, 10 minutes of exercise per week is bullshit. Well maybe it is, but i will need more than "thats bullshit" to change my opinion.

Anyhows, I will purchase the book, see if my questions are answered in there, if not i'll go straight to the source and get an answer that way. Then decide whether to switch programs. If I do switch I'll report back in the future with some results.

 

[SouthernLord]

All duly noted guys. Gladiator i will report back in a few months if i remember to say how everything its going.

When i find something, anything in a particular field, and it takes my fancy i will examine it from all angles, ask questions, look at the facts//evidence etc etc. I add it all up a then decide what to do. The reason I do that is because in most fields there is a HELL of a lot of shit advice floating around. Blind leading the blind. So I need to do my own homework, I don‘t just follow the crowd blindly.

The OP was an attempt to bring me closer to deciding. And to be honest I haven’t really seen an objection that BBS hasn’t already cleared up. All I’m seeing is that’s ridiculous, 10 minutes of exercise per week is bullshit. Well maybe it is, but i will need more than "thats bullshit" to change my opinion.

Anyhows, I will purchase the book, see if my questions are answered in there, if not i'll go straight to the source and get an answer that way. Then decide whether to switch programs. If I do switch I'll report back in the future with some results.

That's great bro. If you ever need a good routine you can PM me. Good Luck.

 

[ELITE_1]

Yo SL, i dunno if its that silly picture you have up that does it, but i cant help but feel your being sarcastic half the time. Just sense a funny undertone with you. If i'm wrong i apologise and apprectiate the kind offer.

 

[Big_BK]

You are only hurting yourself. Everyone on this board is trying to help you and you want to waste your time working out 10 minutes a day....

 

[SouthernLord]

Yo SL, i dunno if its that silly picture you have up that does it, but i cant help but feel your being sarcastic half the time. Just sense a funny undertone with you. If i'm wrong i apologise and apprectiate the kind offer.

Well,..... If you want help I'm here. I think the routine you are shilling is a giant waste of time, and you will not convince anyone here different. You can stick around here and learn a lot about training, or you can spin your wheels for a while with the magical 10 minute a week BBS wonder program.

 

[JDid23]

ok i just want to warn you one more time..... you're fucking yourself with this routine. If you had even the slightest idea about lifting and muscle gains, you would realize that working out 10 minutes a week won't get you as much results as 3 times a week, especially as a "hardgainer". Again, sorry if i came off a little harsh, but your thought process regarding this is (imo) is just so outrageous and not the least bit logical.

 

[AEKDB]

Anyone who discards hard science as quick as you just did is generally an unintelligent person. But whatever does it for you. Yes it does go against our current beliefs but that doesn’t mean it is not valid. The more I read the more I realise my beliefs (and the beliefs of most people on these bodybuilding forums) are incorrect.

When i find something, anything in a particular field, and it takes my fancy i will examine it from all angles, ask questions, look at the facts//evidence etc etc. I add it all up a then decide what to do. The reason I do that is because in most fields there is a HELL of a lot of shit advice floating around. Blind leading the blind. So I need to do my own homework, I don‘t just follow the crowd blindly.

Just because one has a different opinion does not mean the person is not intelligent. The reason most were quick to raise the BS flag on this book is it seems to be a reworked version of old ideas. Many on this board have tried more "new" ideas than they care to admit, yet most seem to return to a few basic fundamentals (see the training vault sticky).

I don't understand why you need to insult the advice and opinions of the people on this forum. One of the great things about this forum is the combination of different backgrounds including: clean and AAS using lifters, Oly lifters, powerlifters, bodybuilders, etc. To say that everyone here blindly follows is to not have read this forum.

I watched the video and can not tell what is "new". It looks like a spin on Time Under Load (or Time Under Tension). A search for these terms will turn up numerous articles including: ISSA article and T-Nation article. Time under load is often discussed on this forum and others. The 20 rep squat program is based on time under load. When we discuss the benefits of not unloading the weight during bent rows we are debating time under load. The video also demonstrates slow negatives. I do not think many would argue against slow negatives as part of a workout.

If you really are interested in the science of lifting, there are enough books, articles, and research papers on the oly lifts to last a lifetime.

 

[artificialaspirations]

you sound aloooooooooot like a spammer to me...

+1

 

[artificialaspirations]

ok. watched the vid and this is even more bs. 10 minutes a week isn't enough to make progress at anything, whether it be playing a video game, learning to read, learning to golf, or studying calculus.

Sure it will help, but the others who practice an hour a day will leave you behind.

Whats with that fuckin lamaze breathing?

 

[ELITE_1]

Read the book, watched near on every workout and interview via youtube so I could FULLY understand it. And its the way forward. No doubt about it. It's suprising how little you guys actually know.