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anyone frontload tren?

thate said:


How much are you taking? I start out at 75mg eod and end up at 100mg ed most of the time. Seems to work for me

yes, this is exactly what i just started yesterday, i went from 75mg to 100mg.
 
If TA is estimated to have a half life close to 48hrs (maybe less), you would most certainly reach max blood levels by the end of the first week with normal, ED or EOD dosing..

By attempting to front load, you are really defeating the purpose. The concept of the front end load is to reach max blood levels (that are seen during mid-cycle) in a shortened amount of time.

I never intended front end loading to be a phase early in the cycle, where the highest blood levels are seen, later followed by decreased blood levels. Is it wrong to jump blood levels up beyond mid-cycle-mean during the first week or two of a cycle? I don't know. Nobody can say until he tries it. Who knows, if you did this, and it worked nicely for you, I'll add another chapter to my book of front-end loading and cite your experience.

With that, any attempt to use more than your regular, ED (or EOD) dose to "front load" will almost certainly result in HIGHER blood levels for this time period compared to mid-cycle levels fallen to for the rest of the cycle. It's up to you. Let us know how it goes.


Andy
 
Andy13 said:
If TA is estimated to have a half life close to 48hrs (maybe less), you would most certainly reach max blood levels by the end of the first week with normal, ED or EOD dosing..

By attempting to front load, you are really defeating the purpose. The concept of the front end load is to reach max blood levels (that are seen during mid-cycle) in a shortened amount of time.

I never intended front end loading to be a phase early in the cycle, where the highest blood levels are seen, later followed by decreased blood levels. Is it wrong to jump blood levels up beyond mid-cycle-mean during the first week or two of a cycle? I don't know. Nobody can say until he tries it. Who knows, if you did this, and it worked nicely for you, I'll add another chapter to my book of front-end loading and cite your experience.

With that, any attempt to use more than your regular, ED (or EOD) dose to "front load" will almost certainly result in HIGHER blood levels for this time period compared to mid-cycle levels fallen to for the rest of the cycle. It's up to you. Let us know how it goes.


Andy

thanks Andy, i'll do that when the time comes. if you say, however, that blood levels will actually exceed mid-cycle levels by front loading, i really don't see any justification for doing it. my goal was not to exceed, but rather achieve mid-cycle levels as fast as absolutely possible. if you're saying it's just a week, then it's not worth doing. my concern was that it was longer than that. thanks again.
 
Andy13 said:
If TA is estimated to have a half life close to 48hrs (maybe less), you would most certainly reach max blood levels by the end of the first week with normal, ED or EOD dosing..

Andy

Zyg has an old post here somewhere proving it took 3 weeks with both ED and EOD injections. There's a daily progression chart showing the peaks.
 
Dial_tone said:


Zyg has an old post here somewhere proving it took 3 weeks with both ED and EOD injections. There's a daily progression chart showing the peaks.

interesting. i'd like to see this. thanks DT! :)
 
Dial_tone said:


Zyg has an old post here somewhere proving it took 3 weeks with both ED and EOD injections. There's a daily progression chart showing the peaks.

Two things

1) If doesn't matter if fina is injected ED or EOD as far as length of time it takes to reach max blood levels.. Frequency of injection is important for blood stability-- but not if we're talking about length of time to "max blood levels."

2) The concept of "max blood level" is practically sound, however, mathematically, there is no such ceiling. Indeed, with every injection, blood levels increase, even when the "max" has been reached. The reason why we say "max" (when there is no such thing, in theory) is because once the "practical max blood levels" (as we know) have approached, the increase thereafter is essentially immeasurable.

It has been some time (years) since I have seen Zyg's fina charts. I've made of few of these charts myself, and I can tell you that the increase in blood levels from the end of week 1 to the end of week three is marginal.

It doesn't take fina long to build up in the system.. at least in theory :)

Andy
 
A week and I feel it. However, this has always been from a natural state. If your running tren later in a cycle I suspect the point that you believe you are "feeling it" may be a bit elongated.....
 
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