anyone frontload tren?

[XBiker]

For some reason, I get soooo easily irritated on TA.. I'm easily irritated to begin with. I keep telling myself it's psychological... But I'm starting to believe it has to do with sides, blood pressure, for one.

Does tren make you guys mad?

Andy

Yep, very short fused.

No longer even consider it.

 

[Andy13]

Hey brother my system can't handle a whole lot of tren at once, I have to gradually increase the dose as the cycle progresses so i don't get mad sides. If u can handle it go ahead and jack it up for a week or two. Are you going really low cal yet?

For some reason, I get soooo easily irritated on TA.. I'm easily irritated to begin with. I keep telling myself it's psychological... But I'm starting to believe it has to do with sides, blood pressure, for one.

Does tren make you guys mad?

Andy

 

[40butpumpin]

For some reason, I get soooo easily irritated on TA.. I'm easily irritated to begin with. I keep telling myself it's psychological... But I'm starting to believe it has to do with sides, blood pressure, for one.

Does tren make you guys mad?

Andy

i definitely feel this and it's both physiological and psychological, imo. i believe it's working right in the CNS which can make this possible. the anxiety and depression for me at the very end of my first time around was profound to say the least. but blood pressure is likely not a cause of anxiety but rather another effect of what ever's causing the anxitey/anger.

 

[40butpumpin]

Yep, very short fused.

interesting choice of words considering you're talking about tren.

XB what kind of doses do you run and when do you first see it kick in?

 

[40butpumpin]

Given Tren's incredibly short half life the likely result of "frontloading" tren will be extreme peaks and valleys in blood concentration levels. The idea is to always maintain a certain level of consistency in blood concentration levels, which is why taking the same dosage ED is the optimal way to go unless you're dealing with longer acting esters like EQ, CYP or ENAN. Even at that, some schools of thought would differ on the effectiveness of frontloading long-acting esters for the same reason and go so for as to call the whole frontloading theory a myth regardless of the compound.

yes, one would definitely want to avoid extreme peaks and valleys, however, frontloading is even used in traditional medicine with drugs such as anti-biotics to get blood concentrations up as fast as possible so as to avoid a slow ramp-up of blood concentrations. this is in fact what my goal was, to spike blood concentrations up, avoiding the relatively slow ramp-up, and then keep it up for the duration.

so i guess the question is are blood contrations the same after the first 24 hours as they are after the first two weeks. if they are then there is no need, but i tend to doubt that despite it having a short half-life.

does a short half-life necessarily mean it will get blood concentrations peaked to the desired, or ultimate levels after the first administration? I don't think so. it only describes, as far as i know, the time at which that substance will reach it's peak potency, having nothing to do with the volume, and therefore concentration in which it's placed. consider if you put 100mg of tren in 5 quarts of blood, and also 55 quarts of blood, the half-life wouldn't change for either, however, the concentration, and time to reach the desired concentration would be greatly affected. which would mean that it takes time for blood levels to rise to peak values for that dose, independant of substance half-life and frontloading should shorten that time.

at least that's how i see it.

 

[Juice Authority]

yes, one would definitely want to avoid extreme peaks and valleys, however, frontloading is even used in traditional medicine with drugs such as anti-biotics to get blood concentrations up as fast as possible so as to avoid a slow ramp-up of blood concentrations. this is in fact what my goal was, to spike blood concentrations up, avoiding the relatively slow ramp-up, and then keep it up for the duration.

so i guess the question is are blood contrations the same after the first 24 hours as they are after the first two weeks. if they are then there is no need, but i tend to doubt that despite it having a short half-life.

does a short half-life necessarily mean it will get blood concentrations peaked to the desired, or ultimate levels after the first administration? I don't think so. it only describes, as far as i know, the time at which that substance will reach it's peak potency, having nothing to do with the volume, and therefore concentration in which it's placed. consider if you put 100mg of tren in 5 quarts of blood, and also 55 quarts of blood, the half-life wouldn't change for either, however, the concentration, and time to reach the desired concentration would be greatly affected. which would mean that it takes time for blood levels to rise to peak values for that dose, independant of substance half-life and frontloading should shorten that time.

at least that's how i see it.

The baseline release of Tren is strongest within the first 8-12 hours. The release after that is minimal so think about it...if you frontloaded it your baseline release would be 3X if you're using 225mg's versus 75mg's within the first 8-12 hours resulting in a higher short-term peak and further decline. The net result here would be inconsistent blood concentration levels after the frontloading period, which will elevate your BP and make the well-known side effects of Tren much more pronounced.

 

[40butpumpin]

The baseline release of Tren is strongest within the first 8-12 hours. The release after that is minimal so think about it...if you frontloaded it your baseline release would be 3X if you're using 225mg's versus 75mg's within the first 8-12 hours resulting in a higher short-term peak and further decline. The net result here would be inconsistent blood concentration levels after the frontloading period, which will elevate your BP and make the well-known side effects of Tren much more pronounced.

yes, if you inject 3x75mg then the max potency occuring at the half-life will indeed be 225mg. however, that does not mean that the max blood levels will be 3x what they would be after two weeks into 75mg ed after the first 8-12 hours because of the blood concentration ramp-up time. they would eventually get to 3x, as blood concentration continued to rise as the daily injections continued, but again, that would take time, more time than the first 8-12 hours. decline would be minimal as long as the injections were consistent and daily, however, the sides and blood pressure comment holds no merit imo. i think that will be individual-specific, as some are more prone than others, like anything. i haven't had any issues with tren and bp.

the key would be to find out what initial dose, and taken for how long, would put you at the same blood levels you'd have after say the first three weeks, when you'd expect the blood levels to be consistently at their highest concentration. in other words, to minimize the blood concentration ramp-up time as much as absolutely possible.

despite the half-life, there is definitely a blood concentration ramp-up time that is wasteful considering the short duration of tren cycle times.

 

[Juice Authority]

Unless you're monitoring your blood levels daily what you're asking would be next to impossible to determine as the "ramp-up" period varies on the individual as do the side effects. I say go for it and let us all know how it works out.

 

[thate]

i hear you brother, which is the real wildcard with tren, so this may be impractical indeed.

i want to wait until the tren has kicked into high gear before i cut back bro.

How much are you taking? I start out at 75mg eod and end up at 100mg ed most of the time. Seems to work for me

 

[40butpumpin]

Unless you're monitoring your blood levels daily what you're asking would be next to impossible to determine as the "ramp-up" period varies on the individual as do the side effects...

yeah i hear you man and i agree.