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hithard

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anyone feel like theyre cheating to the point that they stopped juicing just because of that? has anyone felt that the muscle isnt "real"-for lack of a better word, or the muscle is OH TOO REAL to have those feelings....?
does anyone feel that they arnt on the same level as someone who is the same size naturally? i guess thats what i meant by real/fake.
 
Actually no. I'd prefer if I could reach my goals without any aid but using that aid to get to where I want to be doesn't really bother me. Like Anthony said above, is eating right and lifting weights considered cheating? If we all just took the juice, sat around and got big then I would consider it cheating. However, my muscle is hard earned so I think I deserve it.
 
I don't think I'm cheating i work my ass off on or off cycle. Like many say roids are not magic if they where everyone would just take them and look great doesn't work that way. When you take creatine do you feel like you cheat because that makes you grow? Just my opinion but i really don't feel like a cheater.
 
Djicy said:
I don't think I'm cheating i work my ass off on or off cycle. Like many say roids are not magic if they where everyone would just take them and look great doesn't work that way. When you take creatine do you feel like you cheat because that makes you grow? Just my opinion but i really don't feel like a cheater.
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Exactly. I took creatine for 2 months and got some huge gains compared to my workout partner who didn't take it and didn't diet right. I got big and he stayed the same. How is creatine any different from AAS? Still have to wokr hard, diet right and sleep good for things to work. End of arguement.
 
Show me one pro whos not juicing, You know who the real cheater is, The person who juices but doesent workout and or diet, and that jerkoff greg valentino who uses so much synthol that he has liver cancer and cant bang real women and has a transexual girlfriend. To me those are the cheaters. The guy who juices and works out hard till theres nothing left in him and diets to the point where he has not temptations and treats his body better then his car is no cheater. Bodybuilders are extremist. To be muscular and be a bodybuilder you have to sacrafice, thats what the BB lifestyle is about. I have respect for just the average guy who does a cycle here and there and diets. But My respect is greater for the man who arranges his life around his dream of having a perfect body.
 
I hate when ppl even suggest that using anything that helps growth or overall improvement of ones self is cheating..
 
sorta... yes I do.

you wont get many honest responses to this because most are so into their gear and in denial.
 
you wont get many honest responses to this because most are so into their gear and in denial.
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This is bullshit!
The only way that I feel like I have cheated....I cheated myself for not have tried AAS while I was in my late 20's instead of late 30's.
Either way, the honest answer is NO!!! I work very hard to get what I have!!!
 
Lab_Wizard said:
sorta... yes I do.

you wont get many honest responses to this because most are so into their gear and in denial.
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I'm in no denial of what I do. I know I can harm my body, but I do it anyway just to better myself. As long as the side effects I get(which are minimal at best; I take low dosages) can be kept under control, then what's the big deal? I look better and feel better now than I ever have in my entire life. I love the feeling and look forward to more of it.
 
I'll be honest. YES, i felt guilty, so i stopped my current cycle (which happens to be my first one. lol) only after 2 weeks, and have decided to get where i want naturally. I'm not attempting to berate anyone, this is just how i feel.

I'll think i'll go through w/ a cycle after my natty test drops.
 
I don't subscribe to the "cheating" theory, since that's the attitude perpetuated by the mainstream, uninformed media. You don't sit on your couch eating potato chips, stick a needle in your ass and get huge.

It comes down to the individual and their feelings. If you get more satisfaction out of doing things the natural way, then go for it. If you prefer to go the chemical route, more power to you.

We hypocritically use "legal" substances like beer or cigarettes to attain a certain state of mind all the time. I use coffee every morning to get me going. The concept is all the same, I think it's attitude of the society we live in that influences our feelings on it.
 
When I first tried creatine I did kind of feel "muscles in a bottle" when I came off for two weeks and then went back on. Then again, I remember feeling better when I first took ginseng.

Where do you draw the line? I've given up on the whole concept. If you compete in something which says that AAS is cheating then you're cheating otherwise who gives a monkeys bum?
 
hithard said:
anyone feel like theyre cheating to the point that they stopped juicing just because of that? has anyone felt that the muscle isnt "real"-for lack of a better word, or the muscle is OH TOO REAL to have those feelings....?
does anyone feel that they arnt on the same level as someone who is the same size naturally? i guess thats what i meant by real/fake.
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when i started lifting iwas 6'3 180 skinny and i wanted to be 250 huge naturally because i always had something against the "juicers" but when i finally made it to 250 naturally with average bf no gut or anything i didnt look like i thought i would so i started a huge 2 month cycle and realized its no big deal its easy (did feel a little fake) when on cycle but when i got off thats when the real work started i felt fake for a while but after 3 months of busting my ass to keep my gains i dont feel so bad because most of the guys in my area will juice then not want to work to keep it like i did, so even if you juice as long as yoiu work hard who F'N cares
 
Absolutely not! I've only done 2 cycles of gear, both relatively low-dosed. And I did not gain the insane amount of muscle I thought I would gain by using steroids.

There are still alot of people that are bigger than me in my gym.

I used to think that people who used AAS where big time cheaters, but after my experience, I've found that it aids to your physique to an extent. But its not magic, and you have to work for your muscle via diet and training.
 
We don't consider it cheating nor do we feel even the slightest guilt about AAS use. There is alot of hard work and science that goes into every aspect of the lifestyle. Lets face it the chemicals help but they are not MAGIC at all, like others have said. I'd be willing to bet that most folks on this board work pretty damn hard to get the gains they have and should feel good about their dedication and hard work.

Guilt is certainly a functional human emotion. Guilt allows us to "check" our behavior. It has a place. However, western culture is also "very guilt ridden". Anyone who has "lost" their religion knows exactly what we mean ! So, let us go out on the limb here an expose ourselves to criticism by saying that if you have stopped AAS use because you feel guilty than your guilt is misplaced (no offense meant at all) Don't by into socially imposed guilt about AAS use by an under educated society. Use AAS responsibly, embrace the fitness lifestyle, and above all enjoy the myriad of benefits afforded by science

Of course thats just our opinion
 
Lab_Wizard said:
sorta... yes I do.

you wont get many honest responses to this because most are so into their gear and in denial.
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2 years ago i would have agreed with you completely but not after growing up a little bit and not being so immature i totally agree with stuck's post #15 on this thread.
 
stuck said:
I don't subscribe to the "cheating" theory, since that's the attitude perpetuated by the mainstream, uninformed media. You don't sit on your couch eating potato chips, stick a needle in your ass and get huge.

It comes down to the individual and their feelings. If you get more satisfaction out of doing things the natural way, then go for it. If you prefer to go the chemical route, more power to you.

We hypocritically use "legal" substances like beer or cigarettes to attain a certain state of mind all the time. I use coffee every morning to get me going. The concept is all the same, I think it's attitude of the society we live in that influences our feelings on it.
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Fuckin A Brother!!!, in a nutshell thats my argument to most of my narrowminded friends who are totally uninformed and go by the common stereotype of steroids and people on them.
 
flyin j said:
2 years ago i would have agreed with you completely but not after growing up a little bit and not being so immature i totally agree with stuck's post #15 on this thread.
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immature? hardly. Try HONESTY :qt:

Of course its hard work throwing around a ton of iron week in and week out...this seems to be the crutch everyone is leaning on. Training is hard naturally and using AAS. So they cancel each other. Now , ask yourself:

Could you bench 350 without juice? I actualy did 315 in high school naturally. Could I bench 405 without juice? NOPE! Simple as that.

I use myself but I am honest. Most people get scared or defensive in the face of Truth. I dont.
 
Quite frankly, I dont feel like Im cheating at all. Is it cheating to not go get drunk with the guys at the bar friday night? Is it cheating to take creatine or l glutamine...or even vitamin supplements instead of eating all the right fruits etc?

Not to mention all it takes is one look at that 85 yr old guy (cant think of his name) that still has a 6 pack and looks like hes 50 years younger and any thoughts of it being "cheating" fly out the door quite fast.
 
Well I'm a college football player and to tell you the truth I dont feel like cheating shit!!! To me its a tool!, the roids are not going to do the lifts for me or is going to run the sprints for me!!. I personally just started using gear about 2 weeks ago but I have taken PH'S Cycles before that got awesome gains from!!!. And yes I have taken creatine and all supplements I personally had a good base before starting to take any PH'S OR GEAR I was 210lbs already benching 325lbs and squatting 505lbs for max without ever taking nothing!! just creatine, Whey protein etc....., so Roids pretty much have broken that plato!! thats just my .02 cents
 
I felt like i had been cheating earlier on today when I arrived at my Girlfreinds house..............

... The again, I had been out all night with her best friend. That is what this thread is about, right? :worried:

















Seriously though, if one more non gear user tells me that steroid muscle is "fake" im gonna flip out in a roid rage style and stab them through the eye with an 18 gauge needle.
 
hithard said:
anyone feel like theyre cheating to the point that they stopped juicing just because of that? has anyone felt that the muscle isnt "real"-for lack of a better word, or the muscle is OH TOO REAL to have those feelings....?
does anyone feel that they arnt on the same level as someone who is the same size naturally? i guess thats what i meant by real/fake.
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It doesn't matter how you get there, as long as you arrive.
 
Lab_Wizard said:
immature? hardly. Try HONESTY :qt:

Of course its hard work throwing around a ton of iron week in and week out...this seems to be the crutch everyone is leaning on. Training is hard naturally and using AAS. So they cancel each other. Now , ask yourself:

Could you bench 350 without juice? I actualy did 315 in high school naturally. Could I bench 405 without juice? NOPE! Simple as that.

I use myself but I am honest. Most people get scared or defensive in the face of Truth. I dont.
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First off i wasnt calling you immature, for some it may be a crutch thats true because i here it alot from guys then i watch them work out and its pathetic but they will defend themselves to the end and some will say yeah i got it all from a bottle, but me personally i stayed natural from 3 months before i was 18 until 6 months after i was 21 and yes i benched 350 natural but i also weighed between 245 and 250 when i did it and i also started lifting at 180 pounds, im proud of the work i put in and i will defend that, as well as everything else i have accomplished since i did my cycle a year ago to anyone and thats my honest truth.
 
Honestly i think "fake" is the guys who have juiced since they were juniors in highschool (I know several) and deny and bragg "OH Well i did 405 last week" 2 months later they are struggling with 295 because they were to lazy to put in the pre and post cycle work it takes. Now if someone works hard all the time and has a sound commitment and has accomplished quite a bit naturally or between cycles, and wants that extra edge and awesome feeling in the gym once or twice a year then i will accept that as "real" because there is visible real work there. This is an awesome thread, because i have this conversation in different ways with people all the time and some agree and some disagree with me but oh well im pretty happy and comfortable with what i do, but nevertheless the "REAL OR FAKE" debate will probably be debated forever.
 
flyin j said:
First off i wasnt calling you immature, for some it may be a crutch thats true because i here it alot from guys then i watch them work out and its pathetic but they will defend themselves to the end and some will say yeah i got it all from a bottle, but me personally i stayed natural from 3 months before i was 18 until 6 months after i was 21 and yes i benched 350 natural but i also weighed between 245 and 250 when i did it and i also started lifting at 180 pounds, im proud of the work i put in and i will defend that, as well as everything else i have accomplished since i did my cycle a year ago to anyone and thats my honest truth.
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I too am very proud of the hours and hours of work I have put in the gym since I was 14 years old! I am now 33 and NOBODY is gonna tell me I "cheated" to get this body. I sweat out every single rep. HOWEVER I know for a fact I would NOT look this good without AAS PERIOD!
Perhaps the word "cheat" is not exactly pertinent to AAS but damn close ;)
 
Yeah I did one short cycle and felt I was cheating. As I know well how I progress naturally, I knew what gains came from the steroid I was using.
Some people were impressed about my growth but I was feeling like an hypocrit.
 
yarpic said:
Yeah I did one short cycle and felt I was cheating. As I know well how I progress naturally, I knew what gains came from the steroid I was using.
Some people were impressed about my growth but I was feeling like an hypocrit.
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Not a flame but a serious question to all the guys who will not use AS and feel its cheating: What are you possibly doing spending your time on a STERIOD DISCUSSION FORUM? It would be like a vegaterian hanging out on the McDonald's website, it seems a little ironic.
 
I did not say I would not do another cycle. Maybe yes, maybe no. It's just that the psychological sides of steroids are a real concern for me.
 
slyder190 said:
It doesn't matter how you get there, as long as you arrive.
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Hell Yeah!!!

Someone told me once "I don't use steroids, I am natural" To that I responded, Sorry to hear that.
 
Lab_Wizard said:
I too am very proud of the hours and hours of work I have put in the gym since I was 14 years old! I am now 33 and NOBODY is gonna tell me I "cheated" to get this body. I sweat out every single rep. HOWEVER I know for a fact I would NOT look this good without AAS PERIOD!
Perhaps the word "cheat" is not exactly pertinent to AAS but damn close ;)
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"Perhaps the word "cheat" is not exactly pertinent to AAS but damn close"


I believe that for some people its really really close but for some its not that close and for those people Fake is much too strong of a word, like myself i have one cycle under my belt going into my 2nd but i wont let anyone tell me im "FAKE" not by a long shot.
 
ericahls said:
Hell Yeah!!!

Someone told me once "I don't use steroids, I am natural" To that I responded, Sorry to hear that.
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hahaha, I love that, Ill have to keep it in mind....

Oh you wasted 4 years getting the progress you could have in a year with no long term side effects...I am VERY sorry to hear that.
 
I don't know man. Seems to me that asking a guy who is serious about putting on size if he wants to use steroids is like asking an elephant if he wants a peanut.
 
To cheat, there would have to be some sort of rule to break.
 
Hey, there's a great big world out beyond Florida over that wet stuff.

They might be illegal where the wings of repression blot out the light of reason but in most other places they are legal.
 
Lab_Wizard said:
last i checked roids were illegal (law = rule)
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Pleased you pointed that out then, its good to know that im not cheating by using steroids. Coz its not illegal to use in UK, just illegal to sell them.

Mick
 
Anthony Starks said:
Not a flame but a serious question to all the guys who will not use AS and feel its cheating: What are you possibly doing spending your time on a STERIOD DISCUSSION FORUM? It would be like a vegaterian hanging out on the McDonald's website, it seems a little ironic.
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Well stated, Bro !!!!
 
If you are doing gear and you see people your size that are natural maybe you should of waited longer till you hit your genetic limits. Ya I know that sounds redundant but seems like no one listens.
 
Demonix said:
If you are doing gear and you see people your size that are natural maybe you should of waited longer till you hit your genetic limits. Ya I know that sounds redundant but seems like no one listens.
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I am friends with a guy totally who is totally natural that plays football and is 6'6" and over 300 pounds with a lot of muscle. Should I have waited until I got to his size first, or is it possible that people HAVE DIFFERENT GENETIC LIMITS?!?
 
Demonix said:
If you are doing gear and you see people your size that are natural maybe you should of waited longer till you hit your genetic limits. Ya I know that sounds redundant but seems like no one listens.
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Exactly you hit the nail dude!!!! I always felt sooo great!!! when I would do 315lbs benching natural and all these dudes where hitting the sauce like there was not tomm and couldnt even rep 300lbs max!!! and I was like yeahhhh lol!!, I think I reached my genetic limits!! so I dont feel like a cheat or nothing!!! and just started my first cycle and it feels great!!! so if I was already big and people thought I roided when I was not touching anything so cant wait to the TEST E AND EQ starts kicking in :p
 
Dieselgoku23 said:
Exactly you hit the nail dude!!!! I always felt sooo great!!! when I would do 315lbs benching natural and all these dudes where hitting the sauce like there was not tomm and couldnt even rep 300lbs max!!! and I was like yeahhhh lol!!, I think I reached my genetic limits!! so I dont feel like a cheat or nothing!!! and just started my first cycle and it feels great!!! so if I was already big and people thought I roided when I was not touching anything so cant wait to the TEST E AND EQ starts kicking in :p
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You bench MUCH less than my natural friend, so I suggest you stop your cycle immediatly and wait until you hit the "universal genetic limit". :rolleyes:
 
stfu bitch.
 
Dieselgoku23 said:
Exactly you hit the nail dude!!!! I always felt sooo great!!! when I would do 315lbs benching natural and all these dudes where hitting the sauce like there was not tomm and couldnt even rep 300lbs max!!! and I was like yeahhhh lol!!, I think I reached my genetic limits!! so I dont feel like a cheat or nothing!!! and just started my first cycle and it feels great!!! so if I was already big and people thought I roided when I was not touching anything so cant wait to the TEST E AND EQ starts kicking in :p
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Yeah thats exactly the way i was i went from 6'3 180 in highschool to 6'3 250 three years later (natural) and i would hear throughout the grapevine, so to speak, about me buying from people or somebody saw me go into a "rage" it was ridiculous, and i always got pumped watching some of the guys who had juiced on and off since they were juniors and seniors in highschool barely doing what i was doing if not a little less, and that first cycle feels great i blew up off of mine 250 to 280 and a whole new wardrobe!!!!! plus a huge fuck off to all the gossip i heard about myself :p
 
nope dont feel like i'm cheating..maybe you should guys who do feel like you are cheating should get laid or something..
 
Lab_Wizard said:
He said:


"To cheat, there would have to be some sort of rule to break"

/remove foot
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Hey stupid, did u notice the canadian flag?
 
Raffaz said:
Pleased you pointed that out then, its good to know that im not cheating by using steroids. Coz its not illegal to use in UK, just illegal to sell them.

Mick
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Not illegal if you happen to have a script :)
 
Dekaxx said:
Not illegal if you happen to have a script :)
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No, its not illegal to use in UK, script or not. Your allowed 3 months supply for personal use. Now if ya selling them, then thats a different story.

Mick
 
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