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B0ARDIN087
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Just wondering in case i get desperate for a job. How much do they take? And damn there are like THOUSANDS of jobs on the internet, if I just apply to ALL of them someone has to take me. i mean fuck my resume kicks ass I think
Anyone ever used a staffing company or headhunter?
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wills_got_rythm
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I work for staffing companies that are like the Kelly Temps of aviation. 98 1/2 % of them dont take a fee. I've also worked for staffing companies for other industrial jobs, they dont pay shit but they also dont take a fee. If you got laid off I would try for unemployment first unless you need to make more than they pay.
Good luck bro!!!
Good luck bro!!!
B0ARDIN087
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im graduating college but really worried about the job market
Fees are usually paid by the hiring company; a % of your first year salary. They're paying a recruiter to wade thru resumes and evaluate experience. I don't know many companies that would do that for an entry level type job. We only recruit mid-managers and some specialized sales positions but zero without significant work experience.
ponyfitness
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I have three working with me right now. Their job is to get you a job - how they make money like someone else said is they get a cut of your first year salary.
If you run into one that wants to charge a fee, drop them. They are salespeople, plain and simple, only their commodity is people.
It's a lot easier than searching yourself, plus they will get you an interview right off the bat.
If you run into one that wants to charge a fee, drop them. They are salespeople, plain and simple, only their commodity is people.
It's a lot easier than searching yourself, plus they will get you an interview right off the bat.
B0ARDIN087
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applying for jobs may be the most annoying thing EVER.
fuck GWBush and him raping our economy
Grumpy Old Man
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I am doing a search to explore the market. I had an offer from a retained agency that wanted 20k to market me. There are few headhunters that look for talent and have companies paying them to find employees. The charge for my level is 30% of first years compensation. And GW didn't tank the economy single handed. We spend more money for wellfare, illegal's healthcare,illegal enforcement, foreign loans than for what you perceive as wrecking the economy. It started with Carter was exacerbated by Clinton and greed of Wall Street and poor management of the agencies that were made to give sub-prime loans to people that couldn't qualify for a $500 credit card. (Fannie & Freddie)
Back to head hunters, they search for Senior Executive positions (Pres VP, C level etc)not entry level jobs. If you want to get a job in May start now.
Back to head hunters, they search for Senior Executive positions (Pres VP, C level etc)not entry level jobs. If you want to get a job in May start now.
walliwalibus
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I saw headhunter and totally thought something else.
You are mistaken. Unless YOU are the one paying them their job is NOT to get you a job. Their JOB is to fill a need that a company WHO IS PAYING THEM has. They don't give a rats ass whether they fill it with you, Bozo the clown or Skippy Lunchmeat.
Essentially the client company wants a home built. The recruiter agency is who is contracted to build the house. You, the job seeker, are just a hammer. It's not important to the recruiter whether the hammer is a Stanley or DeWalt, as long as it gets the job done.
Do not fool yourself. Unless YOU are writing the check at the end of the process you ARE NOT the client. If you pay an agency to find you a job THEN you can say their job is to get you a job.
Grumpy Old Man
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+100% korrekt. I found this to be true. The problem is when they "market you" it takes a while and there are a lot of scams out there. paying 20k to a scam company would really piss me off. But, to a real agency it would be easy to recoup in a month or so.
mustang_00
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fuck staffing agencies... the ones in my area won't utilize the skills you have. their main purpose is finding you a job... to them a job is a job. i went down to one a few years ago told them i have office/computer/file clerk yudda yudda experience and i'd really like to get a job with computers (it's fucking easy) and they were like "okie doke" they said they had a position working with computers so i took it... i was delivering files from a warehouse to another office and that was it... i went down there confused and told them and they said "well the office has computers and you're working around them. beggars can't be choosers" i told them to kick rocks and demanded my information back and that was that.
the other strange thing about a few of them is. lets say someplace needs workers. that place goes to the staffing agency to help them find employees. they sign some sort of agreement with them saying they'll find them blah blah. ok now lets say they find you a sweet job and you actually like but it's temporary (3 months) well once you're 3 months is over you're terminated from that job, even if the job was hiring you're automatically ineligible because you were a past employee and by working/signing with the staffing agency you agreed it was ok somehow??? how fucking shady is that?? not all of them are like that. i know a lot of people who enjoy working for them. me, personally.. fuck em
the other strange thing about a few of them is. lets say someplace needs workers. that place goes to the staffing agency to help them find employees. they sign some sort of agreement with them saying they'll find them blah blah. ok now lets say they find you a sweet job and you actually like but it's temporary (3 months) well once you're 3 months is over you're terminated from that job, even if the job was hiring you're automatically ineligible because you were a past employee and by working/signing with the staffing agency you agreed it was ok somehow??? how fucking shady is that?? not all of them are like that. i know a lot of people who enjoy working for them. me, personally.. fuck em
Grumpy Old Man
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I called a staffing agency, they said come in and fill out an application. I said, "Eccuse me" they said, you can come in between 9 and 11 and between 2 & 4. I asked if they had any positions in the **** range, she said no we do $8 to $15 an hour work. So always ask the questions and make sure you do what is best for you, surprises are there if you let them control you.
Razorguns
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I can't stand recruiting agencies. 90% of them have no idea about the industry they're in, and most just wanna annoy you and build up their database of job-seekers so they have more leverage when dealing with clients. Worst is they want you to waste a day 'coming in'. Being contacted by one means very little. Most people get their job the old fashioned way. Contacting the employer.
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wills_got_rythm
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Are you looking for something in the field that you studied or are you just looking for work for right now?
For the Aviation jobs that I work usually these companies require at least 3 years experience on the job. However, the companies that I am contracted to often hire direct employees off the street or just out of school, at a lower wage of course, but maybe you could try something like that. You just have to find out what clients the staffing agencies have.
Grumpy Old Man
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That works great if you can find the employer, if you want a middle/entry/lower level position. Finding an employer to contact is almost impossible. Where do you start? What is their name? If you can do plumbing it is easy, call local plumbers. In this worldwide economy that is an old approach, as they recruiters made abundantly clear. Our HR department doesn't even review resumes that are unsolicited, too many "wannabees" They only use recruiters that verify, do BG checks and make sure their skill sets match their resume. Simple.
Razorguns
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monster.com for tech jobs.
other jobs - signs, newspapers, job boards, govt agencies, networking.
If a recruiting agency does not have a specific job for you -- then they're wasting your time. They're just 'building up resumes'. You're now 1 of 50,000 on file.
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mustang_00
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i agree with razor... you're nothing but a number to them!!! the fucked up thing is they'll advertise in the newspaper for a position, tell you to apply/walk in and give there location. so you go down there. they make you fill out a few papers and then they set up a appointment to come back and apply for the job???? a lot of the people who go down there can barely afford gas or have to try to find a ride or take the bus. only to get bamboozled? when you call about it they even tell you to come in and apply for the job. they completely ignore if you ask them if it's for an appointment only. i called the BBB on there ass and they are required to say appointment in there ads and when you call now. cawk suckers
Here's how recruiting works
Method A - Job applicant pays
You pay a recruiter to shop your resume around. I don't know how their fees work. They send out a mass email to their client base saying "we have leads with these skillsets. If you have a need they might fill please contact us". Below that will be a list of 10-15 single line minu-resumes - "Senior Sales VP with 10 years exp", "experienced java developer w/security clearance", etc, etc. Hopefully some HR person somewhere says "hey, we need a guy that sounds like #3, I'll check it out." It's in their interest to get your resume in as many hands as possible so they will call people, spam email, post online, whatever they can do. Many of the people they contact may not even be hiring.
Method B - company pays
Company contacts recruiter and says we need a general manager for a 4-diamond hotel with 500 rooms and 20,000 feet of meeting space. Salary range and bonus are abc. They pay us anywhere from 15-25% of first year's compensation (hopefully including bonus) means we only get paid if they hire one of our guys. If it's a high priority they'll pay a retainer up front in which case we get paid for the actual search. These take priority. Most of these jobs are low six figures so the numbers add up.
We search through our candidate database, which is tens of thousands, for people that have all the requirements and forward them 4-5 resumes that are a best fit. They will do a phone interview then fly in 2-3 for face to face meetings. If they don't like any we'll send 4-5 more. We place nationwide so we hardly ever meet people in person. In 4 years I can count on my fingers the number who have come in to our offices. Obviously the onus is on us to verify whats on the resume. We encourage people to send us their resumes for our database but unless you're a good candidate for a position we're working on right now you likely won't get a call back soon. No need to call and ask if we got the resume you emailed two days ago. We haven't called you because you're not a fit....yet.
Method A - Job applicant pays
You pay a recruiter to shop your resume around. I don't know how their fees work. They send out a mass email to their client base saying "we have leads with these skillsets. If you have a need they might fill please contact us". Below that will be a list of 10-15 single line minu-resumes - "Senior Sales VP with 10 years exp", "experienced java developer w/security clearance", etc, etc. Hopefully some HR person somewhere says "hey, we need a guy that sounds like #3, I'll check it out." It's in their interest to get your resume in as many hands as possible so they will call people, spam email, post online, whatever they can do. Many of the people they contact may not even be hiring.
Method B - company pays
Company contacts recruiter and says we need a general manager for a 4-diamond hotel with 500 rooms and 20,000 feet of meeting space. Salary range and bonus are abc. They pay us anywhere from 15-25% of first year's compensation (hopefully including bonus) means we only get paid if they hire one of our guys. If it's a high priority they'll pay a retainer up front in which case we get paid for the actual search. These take priority. Most of these jobs are low six figures so the numbers add up.
We search through our candidate database, which is tens of thousands, for people that have all the requirements and forward them 4-5 resumes that are a best fit. They will do a phone interview then fly in 2-3 for face to face meetings. If they don't like any we'll send 4-5 more. We place nationwide so we hardly ever meet people in person. In 4 years I can count on my fingers the number who have come in to our offices. Obviously the onus is on us to verify whats on the resume. We encourage people to send us their resumes for our database but unless you're a good candidate for a position we're working on right now you likely won't get a call back soon. No need to call and ask if we got the resume you emailed two days ago. We haven't called you because you're not a fit....yet.
A lot of the positions we work on are not advertised. They don't want to be bombarded with applicants AND there may still be someone in that position that doesn't know they're going to get fired. Often we can't even tell the candidate who the company is until the company is ready to contact them. Once in a while some douche bag calls to find out who the company is then tries to send his resume directly to them, cutting us out. People like this need to die. Our service doesn't cost you anyway.
Grumpy Old Man
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Again correct. Monster.com is a great place for I have a great job for you, Work from home and make 10 million, I am an insure=ance agent and need you. Or what I have had is Nigerians sending me spam. Thise that are not as bright (r) or experienced in the market for upper level people try everything and see no success. And if some Ah sends his resume directly to a client company, they get the same response as everyone else. "We reviewed your resume but we deal with a recruiter"
I remember r posting a whopping $500 payday, see puddles sig line.
DT we need to meet when the J lady gets hitched.
Razorguns
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If you google - you'll find tons of stories of people scammed by these 'companies'. They basically setup shop, advertise, try to get as many resumes as possible, then have their sales guys go around town and go "Hey we got 300,000 RESUMES, all active. The others guys have 20,000. So use OUR services!'. The recruiting world is very cut-throat in that regard. Resumes are like website traffic to a website. Gold.
Of course, best bet is find the recruiting agency that has a RELATIONSHIP with clients, not just work off quantity of resumes. Agencies that know their clients and their own job-seekers. You'll have a lot more success with a more-hands-on type agency. That's how it works in the executive-placement world. No reason it can't work in the lesser income world.
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DT - the old grump was confused about the nuptuals and all of our relationships LOL... He didn't realize that ya'll were on separate coasts and also didn'r realize what the relationships was. (He had you confused with somebody who was a total douche. I just corrected him to say that YOU are a good guy. 
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When we make our way out to your coast we will try to arrange an in person meeting.
You are a really good guy. (In a no homo way.
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)When we make our way out to your coast we will try to arrange an in person meeting.
You are a really good guy. (In a no homo way.
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Oh yea... and as an ONtopic addition to the thread - back in the day when I was looking to make a switch in the job market with no degree and no experience (from bartending to office-type work) I found that some of these agencies were quite helpfull. I got training and experience until I was finally comfortable enough to go out on my own and get the rate that the agency was getting for me WITH benefits (that I didn't get with the agency).
They all promised temp to fulltime work, but that was bullshit.
Entry level positions will be hard to find in this economy with/without a degree even IF you have some experience. But if you keep pounding the pavement, you will find something eventually.
They all promised temp to fulltime work, but that was bullshit.
Entry level positions will be hard to find in this economy with/without a degree even IF you have some experience. But if you keep pounding the pavement, you will find something eventually.
Jon79
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i used to work for one of these companies.
the head hunter is actually paid by the company that hires you.
so if you get hired on at 100k annually u get 100k annually.
its the company that hires you that pays the 15-30% of your salary in
fees.
either that or they get a percentage every pay period. even in that situation your company pays it does not come from your salary...
the hiring company has to have a contract in place with the head hunter.
the head hunter is actually paid by the company that hires you.
so if you get hired on at 100k annually u get 100k annually.
its the company that hires you that pays the 15-30% of your salary in
fees.
either that or they get a percentage every pay period. even in that situation your company pays it does not come from your salary...
the hiring company has to have a contract in place with the head hunter.
Grumpy Old Man
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Bro,
I tried monster in 2 weeks I got more lottery winnings and relatives died and I am the sole bennie. But, because my experience is not good means that my experience is not good. Yours was so ok. As far as r giving advise, low level independent gamers make about 5 bucks an hour.
DT I meant when we go to NJ we can make a trip to CA, the old lady says you are ok. Just don't meet us in the getttoooooo.
Call and we can make arrangements.
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