Anyone ever scared to come off?

[LiquidPhire]

I am wondering if anyone has been "ON" but not HRT/TRT for the greater part of a year or 2+, does it worry you about coming off? I reeeeeeeallly need to slow down on juice and do proper bloodwork/complete PCT but I am nervous about potential results/recovery. Ive been living in the fast lane since ive started and after this cycle 1/2 of me is telling me to stop the other is saying keep going.

 

[GUARDIAN]

what u running?

 

[borris]

stop bro

 

[LiquidPhire]

Ive ran
test. E ,

testosterone cypionate

Test testosterone propionate/trenbolone/mast/Winstrol - stanozolol


Test/Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - /Dianabol - methandrostenolone -

and on Testprop/NPP - Nandrolone PhenylPropionate - now
For a year and 1/2 at first id take time off properly then it turned into longer cycles with a few weeks off, then back on again then sometime off and then one cycle right into another. I always do some sort of PCT - post cycle therapy - but never anything longer then 3-4 weeks. This past time I was "off" for 2 months and it took along time to "recover" and I took the plunge.

I just love being "ON" but its scary sometimes My dosages are never ridiculous but I realize that I am being suppressed for the better part of a 12 month time period.

 

[Tatyana]

So in the last two years, how long have you been off?

How many cycles did you run before that?

Also, how old are you hun?

 

[perryscoon]

Damn, I've always wondered what kind of gains I would make just staying on all the time you did. But, if I were you, I would come off and see if I could get still get my natty test levels back to normal. You stay on all that test too long and you might HAVE to stay on. Hope its not too late already...

 

[LiquidPhire]

So in the last two years, how long have you been off?

How many cycles did you run before that?

Also, how old are you hun?

In the past 2 years ive been off.... probably 7 months?

Forgive my ignorance I don't really have a definitive answer for you.

Those are my total cycles,

I am 23 started at 21 , been training since 18.

Perhaps I am being paranoid but I don't know, the girlfriends love it , I love it, I am overall happier *on* of course

p.s. that ass tatyana is out of control, ive already told you though.

 

[GUARDIAN]

Ive ran
test. E ,

testosterone cypionate

Test testosterone propionate/trenbolone/mast/Winstrol - stanozolol


Test/Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - -Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - /Dianabol - methandrostenolone -

and on Testprop/NPP - Nandrolone PhenylPropionate - - Nandrolone PhenylPropionate - now
For a year and 1/2 at first id take time off properly then it turned into longer cycles with a few weeks off, then back on again then sometime off and then one cycle right into another. I always do some sort of PCT - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - but never anything longer then 3-4 weeks. This past time I was "off" for 2 months and it took along time to "recover" and I took the plunge.

I just love being "ON" but its scary sometimes My dosages are never ridiculous but I realize that I am being suppressed for the better part of a 12 month time period.

ever consider blast and cruise?

 

[LiquidPhire]

Damn, I've always wondered what kind of gains I would make just staying on all the time you did. But, if I were you, I would come off and see if I could get still get my natty test levels back to normal. You stay on all that test too long and you might HAVE to stay on. Hope its not too late already...

Bro by all means I couldn't afford to stay *ON* as long as I can/did being a college student, but Santa came to me over the summer with a fat sack

Its like this.. I live on the beach in the summer , so fall/winter I look at it as my time to bulk up and spring i look at it as a time to cut up for springbreak and then summer you gotta stay on your A game all summer long because of living at the beach. I don't know I hope this makes sense to some of you.

 

[eddymerckx]

In the past 2 years ive been off.... probably 7 months?

Forgive my ignorance I don't really have a definitive answer for you.

Those are my total cycles,

I am 23 started at 21 , been training since 18.

Perhaps I am being paranoid but I don't know, the girlfriends love it , I love it, I am overall happier *on* of course

p.s. that ass tatyana is out of control, ive already told you though.

it may be a good time to a full blood workup--you are still so young we want to make sure you id any problems asap--if you are unsure of what to get done, there are a few people here --like Tat, that can tell you what to make sure you get done.

i know it may not be cheap--but, well you know the rest of the speech. good luck bro

ps --the beach avatar is killing me--i need to see the ocean--been in colorado too long

 

[eddymerckx]

one other thing--if you think you plan to stay on more often than not--spend the few hundred bucks and bank some sperm now, so if you end up shut down perm you can still have kids--know 2 bros that have done it so far--

 

[LiquidPhire]

Well my family is full of people in the medical profession , so I am not worried about the cost per-say. I should get the bloodwork done after a few weeks of my last shot? Aye yai its like going for a std/aids tests. heart pounding palms sweaty voice cracking hehee last time I went for a blood test I feinted and the lady goes "Don't worry we do bloodwork for some of the patriots and some of them fall over all the time" greeeeeeat.

 

[LiquidPhire]

Interesting Eddy, I like it.


K+ to all who post input


thanks guys

 

[perryscoon]

Bro by all means I couldn't afford to stay *ON* as long as I can/did being a college student, but Santa came to me over the summer with a fat sack

Its like this.. I live on the beach in the summer , so fall/winter I look at it as my time to bulk up and spring i look at it as a time to cut up for springbreak and then summer you gotta stay on your A game all summer long because of living at the beach. I don't know I hope this makes sense to some of you.

Oh trust me. I know what you mean totally. All I did was diet, train, and walk around with my shirt off all frickin summer. I got more pussy than I knew what to do with. Coming off was depressing and sucked...but ya gotta do it bro. You don't wanna be on hrt at 30. Just be careful.

 

[eddymerckx]

Well my family is full of people in the medical profession , so I am not worried about the cost per-say. I should get the bloodwork done after a few weeks of my last shot? Aye yai its like going for a std/aids tests. heart pounding palms sweaty voice cracking hehee last time I went for a blood test I feinted and the lady goes "Don't worry we do bloodwork for some of the patriots and some of them fall over all the time" greeeeeeat.

no, i would do a regular P+C+T+ so the blood work shows how you recover

 

[halfcenturian]

The supps and gear out there now can cut the "re-entry to a minimun. I would personally ramp down over the course of 4 to 6 weeks while you add some of your PCT. No need to be scared.
You will drop some weight, a little strenth. So keep eating as thought you were on, and lift as heavy as you can throughout your PCT. Mentally I like HCG, a butt load of HCG, aromasin and proviron, as you come off. start before you end your extended cycle. stay on your PCT until you FEEL good. There is no time limit. Demacrine products are a good idea too.
It's time to land, bro. You can handle it. Pussy is another part of PCT that helps tremendously.

 

[LiquidPhire]

no, i would do a regular P+C+T+ so the blood work shows how you recover

Derma, Nolva , HCG anything else you'd throw in there?

Its going to be a TOUGH recovery.



.....then what about spring break , lol just kidding, sort of.

 

[Tatyana]

What about HRT now?

Or come off and see what you have done to your HPT.

I do have some serious concerns that you have been on for so long being so young.

One of my training buddies did something similar to you.

At 23 he ended up depressed, with gyno and the test levels of a woman.

One year off and his test levels are at the bottom end of the normal range and he lost loads of size.

He came off though, that was just three cycles with rubbish PCT.

I never thought he trained all that hard in the first place, used the gear for gains. He would moan like FC-UK when I would push him.

I train like a mofo naturally, have a great diet and get accused of being on gear all the time.

I think far too many of you lads never push the envelope to figure out what your body can do naturally.

 

[GUARDIAN]

it is not an easy decision but many have taken hrt into their own hands at an early age. they stay on a low dose of test the majority of the year and have 1-2 big cycles during the year.

but they also have accepted the consequences - children, dependency on aas for life (hpta), cardiovascular health, hepatoxicity, gyno, etc.

you have to ask yourself can you afford it? are you willing to take the risks (law/medical)? prepared for health emergencies where you NEED to come off immediately and have to recover somehow? and many more....

 

[Tatyana]

Well my family is full of people in the medical profession , so I am not worried about the cost per-say. I should get the bloodwork done after a few weeks of my last shot? Aye yai its like going for a std/aids tests. heart pounding palms sweaty voice cracking hehee last time I went for a blood test I feinted and the lady goes "Don't worry we do bloodwork for some of the patriots and some of them fall over all the time" greeeeeeat.

You will need longer than a few weeks to see what you have naturally, especially with Deca.

Deca can be detected in urine screens for a LONG time, think it is upwards of 6 months.

 

[GUARDIAN]

You will need longer than a few weeks to see what you have naturally, especially with Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - .

Deca can be detected in urine screens for a LONG time, think it is upwards of 6 months.

She is right. Decca can be detected up to 6 months.

 

[LiquidPhire]

NPP? I ran the deca over a year ago.

 

[LiquidPhire]

The supps and gear out there now can cut the "re-entry to a minimun. I would personally ramp down over the course of 4 to 6 weeks while you add some of your PCT - post cycle therapy - . No need to be scared.
You will drop some weight, a little strenth. So keep eating as thought you were on, and lift as heavy as you can throughout your PCT. Mentally I like HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - , a butt load of HCG, aromasin and proviron, as you come off. start before you end your extended cycle. stay on your PCT until you FEEL good. There is no time limit. Demacrine products are a good idea too.
It's time to land, bro. You can handle it. Pussy is another part of PCT that helps tremendously.

Thanks bro, I am actually considering and putting together a complete legit PCT. I will check out derma products , what do you guys recommend HCG/Nolva/Derma schedule after being "on" for a bit of time?

Reallllllllly not looking forward to this but it is something I HAVE to do.

Also people around me DON'T help the situation by encouraging my use , and girls saying the like it when I am "on" better.

 

[jumpmaster82]

I always hate to come 'off' cuz it sucks after being on.

 

[SMALLSUCKS702]

My workout partner has been on a 8+ month cycle and he is a monster, he seems ok.....

 

[perryscoon]

I always hate to come 'off' cuz it sucks after being on.

Indeed it does. But thank goodness we have stuff like Derma to at least make you think you're on somethin in the meantime.

 

[halfcenturian]

I would stay away from Nolva, bro. Especially if you have been running Tren/Deca. Do some adex/ aromasin/ proscar/ Derma/ HCG.
Remember it's atemporary atate and you will survive it. Don't get depressed.
If you cant fight it go on some HTP, or L dopa. Stay it contact with "us" and you will be fine.
Please don't do HRT at your age. In fact don't do it unless you need to.
I'm twice your age. At 50 my body does not produce enough natty Test.
So I really need it. You don't.
Just buck up. It won't be that bad.

 

[airsmith2k]

ive been juicin since i was 19 and just turning 24 now....ive prolly been off for a total of 7 months in the 5 yrs ive been juicing..i want to stop for a while im just afraid that my hpta - hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular axis - will never go back to normal even if i do a shitload of HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - ...i never go crazy with doses either....i usually never go over 500 mgs of test a week....this guy im friends with is like 52 and he goes to the hormone replacement doc...they give him the test cream that he rubs on his muscles....told me when he gets his test levels checked they are threw the roof....does anyone have any experiece with this test cream? he told me its stronger then androgel

 

[jagerbombme]

Thanks bro, I am actually considering and putting together a complete legit PCT - post cycle therapy - . I will check out derma products , what do you guys recommend HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - /Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - /Derma schedule after being "on" for a bit of time?

Reallllllllly not looking forward to this but it is something I HAVE to do.

Also people around me DON'T help the situation by encouraging my use , and girls saying the like it when I am "on" better.

didn't you used to have a different screenname. i think me and you started at the same time about summer time last year. i am in the same boat only i am 31. i had gyno when i was in puberty and had to have surgery. my cock never worked good for the last 4 years. ever since i did my first cycle i'm convinced that i need the test. i just feel better when i'm on it. sex is mentally soooooo damn important to me that being on trt is worth the risks. 10 years ago i would get addicted to every drug i ever touched, coke, meth, heroin, lsd, schrooms, pot, but test is the most addictive shit i've ever touched. it and cialis, spontaneous erections.... what else can i say. libido of a 16 year old. i can't stop. but i do slow down, i worry about my health although i've had all the tests in the world, stress, holter, echo, blood, to ensure my cardiovascular health, my resting hr is like 33bpm, they look at me puzzled. hehe. i am currently on 105mg of prop per week, until i get enough androgel stashed up to do 10mg per day for a while. i've started a lifelong committment to this, quality of life, don't really agree with the hgh shit, read too much possible cancerous shit with it. but replacing your test, i don't really think i'm hurting myself by putting my level at the top of the normal range or possibly a little higher. bf drops, muscle gains, better sexlife, women like it, gay guys hit on me in front of my wife hehe. you are young though. i donno bro

try this and don't listen to the other bullshit shit

this did recover me although i don't feel recovered at test level of 575

nolva 20mg per day days 1-45
clomid 50mg per day days 1-30
hcg 500iu per day for 10 days

drop the clomid if depression comes overwhelming. keep calories at or slightly above maintenence, fucki'm drunk, calories are very important as well as diet to how you'll feel. use muscle milk bro, keep the fat up to promote hormonal transport and creation. keep fat cals up. good luck my friend

 

[theblondebomber]

didn't you used to have a different screenname. i think me and you started at the same time about summer time last year. i am in the same boat only i am 31. i had gynecomastia when i was in puberty and had to have surgery. my cock never worked good for the last 4 years. ever since i did my first cycle i'm convinced that i need the test. i just feel better when i'm on it. sex is mentally soooooo damn important to me that being on trt is worth the risks. 10 years ago i would get addicted to every drug i ever touched, coke, meth, heroin, lsd, schrooms, pot, but test is the most addictive shit i've ever touched. it and cialis, spontaneous erections.... what else can i say. libido of a 16 year old. i can't stop. but i do slow down, i worry about my health although i've had all the tests in the world, stress, holter, echo, blood, to ensure my cardiovascular health, my resting hr is like 33bpm, they look at me puzzled. hehe. i am currently on 105mg of testosterone propionate per week, until i get enough androgel stashed up to do 10mg per day for a while. i've started a lifelong committment to this, quality of life, don't really agree with the human growth hormone - somatropin - shit, read too much possible cancerous shit with it. but replacing your test, i don't really think i'm hurting myself by putting my level at the top of the normal range or possibly a little higher. bf drops, muscle gains, better sexlife, women like it, gay guys hit on me in front of my wife hehe. you are young though. i donno bro

try this and don't listen to the other bullshit shit

this did recover me although i don't feel recovered at test level of 575

Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - 20mg per day days 1-45
clomid 50mg per day days 1-30
HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - 500iu per day for 10 days

drop the clomid if depression comes overwhelming. keep calories at or slightly above maintenence, fucki'm drunk, calories are very important as well as diet to how you'll feel. use muscle milk bro, keep the fat up to promote hormonal transport and creation. keep fat cals up. good luck my friend

Its a tough thing to do.I finally came off after 2 yrs,although high doses and lows.the lows were my "off "cycle.haha.ive lost 26lbs.as of today.but ive been eating very clean also.not a good idea.yea this sucks.

 

[LiquidPhire]

Thanks guys

"Must spread karma around"

-Yes Jager we did start around the same time and its been a ride in the fast lane, I can completely relate to your past and present they look at me funny also "Are you nervous?" No lady im perfectly fine. No different screenname though. Sex is equally important to me I fuck like a porn star when I am on I am all out of my cialis' but I can relate.

-Half I will heed your advice with PCT.

 

[Tatyana]

Thanks guys

"Must spread karma around"

-Yes Jager we did start around the same time and its been a ride in the fast lane, I can completely relate to your past and present they look at me funny also "Are you nervous?" No lady im perfectly fine. No different screenname though. Sex is equally important to me I fuck like a porn star when I am on I am all out of my cialis' but I can relate.

-Half I will heed your advice with PCT - post cycle therapy - .

Of course you can shag like a porn star at 23. In general, that is a given.

The trick is to be able to do so when you are 33, 43, 53, 63.........

Mess up with gear and you will not be. The joy stick may work, but the libido may not be there.

Food for thought.

 

[LiquidPhire]

Of course you can shag like a porn star at 23. In general, that is a given.

The trick is to be able to do so when you are 33, 43, 53, 63.........

Mess up with gear and you will not be. The joy stick may work, but the libido may not be there.

Food for thought.

Very true, but come get it while its hot.

No but in all reality I see the all the points made , I just need to do it for myself.

 

[advanced-stealth]

No.

 

[makaveli25]

hey bro im at the same point in my life you are.. i started juicing same age and im about as old as you.. you have ran a bit longer than me though..i know exactly what your talking about.. i just love my quality of life a lot more when im on.. i feel great.. i feel like ive always wanted too.. its been my dream since a little kid to be big and vascular and ive always loved attention especially from the upset sex.. about 12 weeks ago i stoped taking gear.. i was on a 6 month cycle test and equipose.. i have decided to come off though.. im gonna get my own test flowin again for awhile.. doesn;t mean you can still use gear.. i plan on running a cycle the first day that summer starts.. i have a while to then.. it will give me a good chance to train hard naturally and get my balls back.. im gonna get my natty test levels back up and bank some sperm.. im gonna try a more highly anabolic cycle this summer.. i was thinking a very lite dose of test 250mg with a higher dose of primo... recovery should be easier.. take a break for awhile bro...it will be good for you.. i still feel and look pretty good.. youll loose some size but hey people still think im on.. there is some great products that will give you an xtra boost when your ready... good luck to you brother.. hit me up sometime

 

[Tatyana]

Makaveli, the 'upset' sex

Was that deliberate or a Freudian slip?


Bless



Made me laugh

 

[Powerbuilder333]

I finished a 10 month cycle at the end of November. I was very ready to end it.
I've lost 15 lbs, feel better, my cardio is improving, and some of my injuries feel better. Only now am I able to enjoy training again - powerlifting competition seems to take the fun out of lifting for me.

 

[ironcheif1984]

She is right. Decca can be detected up to 6 months.

I thought that Deca could be detected up to over a year after injection. Am i wrong....?

 

[access]

I thought that Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - could be detected up to over a year after injection. Am i wrong....?

No your not..it can actually be detected up to 18 months after taking. Stays around a long time.

 

[access]

liquid I think the eddy's idea of putting some sperm aside is a good one too. You may have some issues with being on as long as you have at your age but at same time your body is a marvel too and comes back from things at your age that sometimes seems incredible. Some lots of great advice here and seems like your going to follow..good for you!

 

[Seconds]

Liquid, if I were you I would want as much input from as many sources as I could find before I decided how to best come off. I don't know what other members think about this idea, but I think it might be smart for Liquid to speak to Swale about coming down. I realize that he has a difference of opinion regarding certain aspects of PCT from other respected folks like Nelson, but he IS a doctor and he has dedicated his practice to TRT/HRT so, if it were me, I'd be looking for his advice as well as Nelson's and other members of the Board. If that makes sense to you liquid, check out www.allthingsmale.com. BTW, I have no connection with Swale whatsoever.