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Anyone ever run Masteron alone???

herdus33

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Anyone ever run Masteron alone??

I was thining of running some Masteron Enanthate as a cutting cycle to help maintain muscle and help aid in fatloss.

I have used tren before but I dont want to deal with the sides (prog gyno, night sweats, etc.). Would mast enth be a good substitute with practically no sides???

Thinkin about 400-600mg EW?? for 10 wks.

What would be a good pct for a mast only cycle??
 
Get Monsterdrol from JAM - it's methylated masteron in oral form...should be pretty close
 
Get Monsterdrol from JAM - it's methylated masteron in oral form...should be pretty close

Monsterdrol might have some benefits, but theres no way it would be able to compare with an injectable Drostanolone Enanthate. I havent used monsterdrol or masteron yet but I doubt monsterdrol can produce the same results as real masteron.
 
Monsterdrol might have some benefits, but theres no way it would be able to compare with an injectable Drostanolone Enanthate. I havent used monsterdrol or masteron yet but I doubt monsterdrol can produce the same results as real masteron.

prohormones = steroids

It's the same thing...maybe a little milder, but some prohormones are just as potent as steroids....I'm still waiting for my Monsterdrol package in the mail, but if you'd ask people who have tried it like Needtogetaas and Dabuffguy, they would probably say the strength gains are comparable to dbols...it's THAT potent.
 
for what it's worth my strength has gone up nicely on injectable mast, very surprising to say the least

i'm sure the oral version will provide similar results
 
prohormones = steroids

It's the same thing...maybe a little milder, but some prohormones are just as potent as steroids....I'm still waiting for my Monsterdrol package in the mail, but if you'd ask people who have tried it like Needtogetaas and Dabuffguy, they would probably say the strength gains are comparable to dbols...it's THAT potent.


actually, if you want to be real technical about it, a pro-hormone and a steroid are not the same thing.


However, what many people do is consider any type of legal hormone product a pro-hormone, even if that "PH" isn't a PH, but an AAS, just like monsterdrol.

Herdus, I do agree with you that an injectable form would be prefrred over methyldrostanolone, but you can pick up a 30 day suply (30mg daily) for 35 bucks vs what you pay for injectable masteron which is a much less economical choice.

And, yes the injectbale and the oral do have slightly different effects and side effects, but both do provide solid lean gains without water retention, and a very noticable boost in strength.

Needto ran monsterdrol @ 40mg ED and hit PR's on that shit. Damn.
 
PR's???

Please keep in mind, I am thinking of running mast for the possible gyno benefits also.....thanks for the inputs.
 
My bf % is somewhere around 15% im guessing (not really sure)....but I'm going to really dial in the diet and cardio for awhile before using mast. I am planning for a future cycle:)
 
PR's???

Please keep in mind, I am thinking of running mast for the possible gyno benefits also.....thanks for the inputs.


yes, monstadrol is a DHT derivative that reduces SHBG like masteron, proviron and winny.

I wish anadrol, a DHT derivative, gave all it's benfits with minimal side effects like these others. it's a weird drug, but super strong stuff. Went on a tangent. sorry.
 
yes, monstadrol is a DHT derivative that reduces SHBG like masteron, proviron and winny.

I wish anadrol, a DHT derivative, gave all it's benfits with minimal side effects like these others. it's a weird drug, but super strong stuff. Went on a tangent. sorry.

Anadrol attaches itself to the estrogen receptors...which I find kinda strange...with the immense boost in strength...
 
What would you say the most noticeable diff between pro-hormones and aas?

I believe pro-hormones are just slightly milder aas in strength, but with pretty much similar sides...


actually, if you want to be real technical about it, a pro-hormone and a steroid are not the same thing.


However, what many people do is consider any type of legal hormone product a pro-hormone, even if that "PH" isn't a PH, but an AAS, just like monsterdrol.

Herdus, I do agree with you that an injectable form would be prefrred over methyldrostanolone, but you can pick up a 30 day suply (30mg daily) for 35 bucks vs what you pay for injectable masteron which is a much less economical choice.

And, yes the injectbale and the oral do have slightly different effects and side effects, but both do provide solid lean gains without water retention, and a very noticable boost in strength.

Needto ran monsterdrol @ 40mg ED and hit PR's on that shit. Damn.
 
What would you say the most noticeable diff between pro-hormones and aas?

I believe pro-hormones are just slightly milder aas in strength, but with pretty much similar sides...


Pro-hormones --> AAS

NOT

Pro-hormones = AAS


IIRC, pro-hormones have to convert to an active form inside the body. Steroids are active substances already.

Don't quote me on that, though. I'll have to look it up to be sure.
 
Pro-hormones --> AAS

NOT

Pro-hormones = AAS


IIRC, pro-hormones have to convert to an active form inside the body. Steroids are active substances already.

Don't quote me on that, though. I'll have to look it up to be sure.

I am not talking about the actual chemical composition or how they work, I'm comparing the effect they have on the body and the result. Isn't that very similar?
 
I am not talking about the actual chemical composition or how they work, I'm comparing the effect they have on the body and the result. Isn't that very similar?


Sort of. Pro-hormones definitley are weaker per mg, no question. And since they do require a conversion process in the body, they also produce more side effects.

So, less gains and more sides = poop


The stuff JAM sels like cyclotren, havoc and monsterdrol etc are active compounds. So, they are aas.

Less sides, and give better gains than a true pro-hormone. I'm sure he does sell some actual pro-hormones on his site as well. I have never been interested in them though.
 
Sort of. Pro-hormones definitley are weaker per mg, no question. And since they do require a conversion process in the body, they also produce more side effects.

So, less gains and more sides = poop


The stuff JAM sels like cyclotren, havoc and monsterdrol etc are active compounds. So, they are aas.

Less sides, and give better gains than a true pro-hormone. I'm sure he does sell some actual pro-hormones on his site as well. I have never been interested in them though.

Yes - I agree with that prohormones def. generate more sides...and are worse on the liver.
 
actually, if you want to be real technical about it, a pro-hormone and a steroid are not the same thing.


However, what many people do is consider any type of legal hormone product a pro-hormone, even if that "PH" isn't a PH, but an AAS, just like monsterdrol.

Herdus, I do agree with you that an injectable form would be prefrred over methyldrostanolone, but you can pick up a 30 day suply (30mg daily) for 35 bucks vs what you pay for injectable masteron which is a much less economical choice.

And, yes the injectbale and the oral do have slightly different effects and side effects, but both do provide solid lean gains without water retention, and a very noticable boost in strength.

Needto ran monsterdrol @ 40mg ED and hit PR's on that shit. Damn.
Well I liked the monsterdrol so much I went out of my way to get Justaddmudcle to get me a discount code for it. So really its even cheaper then this is if you ask me for a discount.


Lets look at it like this. EQ is a pretty good compound right, well dbol is oral eq and its ten times stronger ain't it.

Now I do not know many people who run masteron alone and get great gains in lean size and strength. I myself have never run masteron alone and never even ran it in a cycle.

I have run monsterdrol though And I do like it. if masteron can even come close then I guess it would not be to bad running it on its own.


Also dabuffguy I never really thought about it till just now. Monsterdrol is cheaper then most aas out there. Thats fucking cool.
 
ever since JAM's mdrol came out, i have wondered how people came to the conclusion that it was oral masteron?
and i was under the impression that proviron was essentially oral masteron, given that proviron is 1-methyl-dihydrotestosterone and masteron is 2-methyl-dihydrotestosterone?
 
ever since JAM's mdrol came out, i have wondered how people came to the conclusion that it was oral masteron?
and i was under the impression that proviron was essentially oral masteron, given that proviron is 1-methyl-dihydrotestosterone and masteron is 2-methyl-dihydrotestosterone?

masteron is

2alpha- methtyl 17beta-hydroxy 5-androstan 3-one

m-drol is

2alpha 17alpha-dimethyl 17beta-hydroxy 5-androstan 3-one



the 17 alpha and th dimethyl vs. methyl are the only differences.

chemical structures can written differently and mean the same thing. you may superdrol as:

2a; 17a-dimethyl 5a-androstan 3-one 17-bol

it means the same thing.
 
but that doesnt explain how mdrol is oral masteron. as you know, two compounds can have very similar structures, but completely different effects.
needto compared it to dianabol, who's effects are nothing like those of masteron.
 
but that doesnt explain how mdrol is oral masteron. as you know, two compounds can have very similar structures, but completely different effects.
needto compared it to dianabol, who's effects are nothing like those of masteron.


no, you misunderstood needto.

dbol is basically oral EQ, but we all know dbol is way more powerful than EQ.

He was equating m-drol compared with masteron to dbol and it's relationship to EQ.



Here's anadrol for example:

2-hydroxymethylene-17B-hydroxy-17α-methyl-3-androstan-one

you can see that drol is also DHT derived and is barely different from either masteron or superdrol.

minus the 5alpha and the addition of hydroxymethylene, it is equal.

It has it's differences, but they are few. on a molecular level, a few differences can make a drastic change in the bahavior of the molecule



Anyways, here is a good explanation of it:


Superdrol has a chemical stucture of 2a,17a-dimethyl-17b-hydroxy-5a-androstan-3-one.

2a,17a-dimethyl-17b-hydroxy-5a-androstan-3-one is a derivative of Drostanolone (also called Dromostanolone), which is also known as Masteron (in the commercial AAS). Drostanolon has a chemical structure of 2a-methyl-17b-hydroxy-5a-androstan-3-one. Drostanolon is the 2-methylated form of DHT, so it has typically been used for reducing body-fat and water retention, while increasing muscle hardness and density, as it cannot form estrogen.

Now, 2a,17a-dimethyl-17b-hydroxy-5a-androstan-3-one is a derivative of Drostanolon, so it is structurally similar, except it is a di-methyl instead of (just) a methyl. It has one methyl in the 17th position, just like M-1-t and M-Dien. But it has a 2nd methyl in the 2nd position, which is un-like the other Methyls which we are familiar with.

So this is how the derivative differs from standard Drostanolon, in that it has another methyl in the 17th position (as standard Drostanolon has one in the 2nd position, and not the 17th like M-1-t).

Also, it is a saturated modified form of anadrol, so you get the best of both worlds without the progesterone, estrogen, bloat, hypertension problems with anadrol.
I think Sldge has one study abouts its positioning effects for estrogen reduction. Zero estrogen conversion with this one, because it's 5-reduced and A-ring alkylated on top of that. Also, the parent compound (masteron) is used exclusively as an anti-neoplastic for metastatic breast cancer, so it's a strong anti-e.

Sldge has named the chem. methasteron and the product Supderdrol.

2a,17a-dimethyl-17b-hydroxy-5a-androstan-3-one has an extremely favorable Q (anabolic/androgenic) ratio. Q ratio = 20 (m-1-t is between 5-16, depending on assay). 20% as androgenic as 17a-MT oral (the reference standard); (m-1-t is 100-220% as androgenic as 17a-MT, for comparison). Superdrol is 400-800% as anabolic as the reference standard (17a-MT); (m-1-t is 910-1600% comparatively). i.e. It looks very, very favorable on paper, and the initial tester reports (logs on AM) back this up so far.





Make more sense? the position of the methylation in masteron does not make it bioavailable when taken orally. The additional methylation in a different location on the chemical structure chain in superdrol makes it bioavailable orally.

Easier to understand?



Hit me up with some K for this one bros.
 
so mdrol has the same structure as masteron, but the methylation is in a different position making it bio available when taken orally?
so then is there still no conversion to oestrogen with mdrol?
 
so mdrol has the same structure as masteron, but the methylation is in a different position making it bio available when taken orally?
so then is there still no conversion to oestrogen with mdrol?


No, there is an ADDITIONAL methylation

masteron is 2a-methyl and mdrol 2a, 17a dimethyl.


If you want to be super technical about it, monsterdrol is NOT EXACTLY oral masteron, but the most plausible way to explain it is to call it that. The chemical structure is almost identical, and a chemical structure change does change the behavior of the drug to some degree.

In this case, it is the addition of the 17a-methyl structure, just as dbol is the addition of 17a-alkylated structure of EQ. You could technically call dbol oral EQ, because that's what it is. But, like I said, a chemical structure change changes the behavior of the drug. EQ aromatises only a small portion, and dbol highly aromatizes. Also, EQ gives small steady gains over a longer period of time, and dbol gives dramatic gains right off the bat. But niether dbol or EQ is a DHT derivative, so their behavior is far different from masteron and superdrol.
 
i see what you mean now. but you still didnt answer, is there still zero potential for conversion to oestrogen as there is with masteron?
 
It will work very well. If you go into carb defecit, you will shred up on this stuff.

crap i was just going to ask what you thought of how cyclotren and mdrol would work as a cutting stack. but then i realised by the time i would need it, cyclotren would not be available.
 
crap i was just going to ask what you thought of how cyclotren and mdrol would work as a cutting stack. but then i realised by the time i would need it, cyclotren would not be available.

Monsterdrol by itself is plenty. I found cyclotren to be effective, but it is so mild and requires a way high dose to get something halfway decent from it.
 
Monsterdrol by itself is plenty. I found cyclotren to be effective, but it is so mild and requires a way high dose to get something halfway decent from it.

thanks. i will be looking to cut around march/april, so i may consider trying mdrol/dermacrine.
 
Is monsterdrol really that effective? Is it mainly a mass builder or does it act more as a cutter?

I was thinking of starting my cycle of Test E and Anavar. Would it make sense to just take monsterdrol over the cycle?
 
Is monsterdrol really that effective? Is it mainly a mass builder or does it act more as a cutter?

I was thinking of starting my cycle of Test E and Anavar. Would it make sense to just take monsterdrol over the cycle?


Mass and cut. It gives no water retention.

If you read the other posts in this thread, you realize that monsterdrol or any other product that contains the same ingredient, is an anabolic steroid. It is very effective.
 
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