Anyone else fed up with China imports?

[heatherrae]

Okay, we had poison rice in our animal foods that killed our animals.

People have died from their nasty ass seafood imports from polluted waters.

Then, there are the contaminated meats and vegetables.

Finally, our kids are chewing on toys painted with f'in LEAD PAINT because the damn things are made in China.

Why are we importing all this shit from a country with all these human rights violations in the first place.

We need to put an end to Chinese imports!

 

[jh1]

Racist.

 

[puddlemonkey]

Are your posts imported from China? Then yes.

 

[puddlemonkey]

I kid! I kid!

 

[crazyjoe]

Okay, we had poison rice in our animal foods that killed our animals.

People have died from their nasty ass seafood imports from polluted waters.

Then, there are the contaminated meats and vegetables.

Finally, our kids are chewing on toys painted with f'in LEAD PAINT because the damn things are made in China.

Why are we importing all this shit from a country with all these human rights violations in the first place.

We need to put an end to Chinese imports!

I like there powders.

 

[heatherrae]

Are your posts imported from China? Then yes.

Only the ones about anal swabbing appointments.

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

Okay, we had poison rice in our animal foods that killed our animals.

People have died from their nasty ass seafood imports from polluted waters.

Then, there are the contaminated meats and vegetables.

Finally, our kids are chewing on toys painted with f'in LEAD PAINT because the damn things are made in China.

Why are we importing all this shit from a country with all these human rights violations in the first place.

We need to put an end to Chinese imports!

I've heard that their easy bake oven or whatever kids cooking toys that are imported from there have caught fire in numerous cases as well. Their response was supposedly, "If rou rant rake dra heat, ret out orr da ritchen!!" or something.

But seriously folks...

 

[heatherrae]

I've heard that their easy bake oven or whatever kids cooking toys that are imported from there have caught fire in numerous cases as well. Their response was supposedly, "If rou rant rake dra heat, ret out orr da ritchen!!" or something.

But seriously folks...

Har har har

Damn, I loved my easy bake oven. I used to wait a damned hour to bake a gram of cake with a 100 watt lightbulb...lol. I hear that they are taking them off the market now.

 

[Creepusmaximus]

Lead paint. I'm so old everything had lead paint on it when I was kid. Toys, walls, plates with lead glaze etc. Not that big of a deal. Also China has always been known for cheap crappy toys. They simply make things as cheap as possible any way they can. I forgot we had gas with lead in it so cars basicly blew lead around anywhere they went.

 

[Raptorex]

she is a good wrestler, didn't know she imports stuff

 

[Smurfy]

Okay, we had poison rice in our animal foods that killed our animals.

People have died from their nasty ass seafood imports from polluted waters.

Then, there are the contaminated meats and vegetables.

Finally, our kids are chewing on toys painted with f'in LEAD PAINT because the damn things are made in China.

Why are we importing all this shit from a country with all these human rights violations in the first place.

We need to put an end to Chinese imports!

racist!

 

[heatherrae]

You people are idiots. I think the lead paint rotted your brains.

 

[Raptorex]

I'm just slew

 

[heatherrae]

I'm just slew

That picture makes me want to squeeze your butt.

 

[gjohnson5]

Much of our business is exported to China/Taiwan because it costs less to produce things there. Much of everything at walmart is made in China to meet Walmart price quotas on the manufacturers.

Basically American $$$ are building China's economy. Infact I saw a special last night about the rising McDonald's chains there , and how an Chinese oil company made a business deal with McDonalds to put a McDonalds at all their gas stations...

Okay, we had poison rice in our animal foods that killed our animals.

People have died from their nasty ass seafood imports from polluted waters.

Then, there are the contaminated meats and vegetables.

Finally, our kids are chewing on toys painted with f'in LEAD PAINT because the damn things are made in China.

Why are we importing all this shit from a country with all these human rights violations in the first place.

We need to put an end to Chinese imports!

 

[sixxtoes]

Har har har

Damn, I loved my easy bake oven. I used to wait a damned hour to bake a gram of cake with a 100 watt lightbulb...lol. I hear that they are taking them off the market now.

Wait wouldn't that put you at about 17 years old playing with an easy bake oven?

 

[Raptorex]

That picture makes me want to squeeze your butt.

lol...OUCH.


And GJ is right - friends just got back from China and said Bejing is disgusting...smog and crap

 

[heatherrae]

Much of our business is exported to China/Taiwan because it costs less to produce things there. Much of everything at walmart is made in China to meet Walmart price quotas on the manufacturers.

Basically American $$$ are building China's economy. Infact I saw a special last night about the rising McDonald's chains there , and how an Chinese oil company made a business deal with McDonalds to put a McDonalds at all their gas stations...

We need to bring our factories back to america. No more tax incentives for chasing cheap labor around the globe! Our economy is collapsing.

 

[heatherrae]

Wait wouldn't that put you at about 17 years old playing with an easy bake oven?

Nope, they had easy bake ovens back in the 70's when I was a munchkin. I loved that damn thing. Oh yeah, and the snoopy snow cone maker where you had to work for an hour to get a little dixie cup full of shaved ice with some kool aid stuff on it.

No wonder we were all so damned skinny in the 70's

 

[sixxtoes]

Nope, they had easy bake ovens back in the 70's when I was a munchkin. I loved that damn thing. Oh yeah, and the snoopy snow cone maker where you had to work for an hour to get a little dixie cup full of shaved ice with some kool aid stuff on it.

No wonder we were all so damned skinny in the 70's

Yeeeeesssss, i still have the snoopy snow cone maker at my g-ma's house somewhere. that thing kicked ass

 

[jh1]

racist!

repost

 

[Razorguns]

We need to put an end to Chinese imports!

who's gonna buy up our debt so your lovely government can stay in operation?

 

[EnderJE]

We need to bring our factories back to america. No more tax incentives for chasing cheap labor around the globe! Our economy is collapsing.

As long as you don't mind the higher prices...

 

[Creepusmaximus]

Nope, they had easy bake ovens back in the 70's when I was a munchkin. I loved that damn thing. Oh yeah, and the snoopy snow cone maker where you had to work for an hour to get a little dixie cup full of shaved ice with some kool aid stuff on it.

No wonder we were all so damned skinny in the 70's

I had a snoopy snow cone machine.

 

[Gambino]

Okay, we had poison rice in our animal foods that killed our animals.

People have died from their nasty ass seafood imports from polluted waters.

Then, there are the contaminated meats and vegetables.

Finally, our kids are chewing on toys painted with f'in LEAD PAINT because the damn things are made in China.

Why are we importing all this shit from a country with all these human rights violations in the first place.

We need to put an end to Chinese imports!

none of this ever happens with american manufacturing
let's return to a isolationist state, yayayay!@!@!@!

 

[H_T_]

no one even knew until some brats got sick. sfw....

 

[heatherrae]

none of this ever happens with american manufacturing
let's return to a isolationist state, yayayay!@!@!@!

I'm specifically talking about China. So, no, we have not had the corruption and dangerous foods/products be the majority of our products.

As far as isolationism is concerned, I never said the prevent all imports from everywhere. However, the reigns need to be pulled back once we become a country that is losing their middle class because all of our factories are closed. There is a happy medium on that continuum. It isn't black and white as you are trying to paint it, just for the sake of arguing with me.

 

[Gambino]

I'm specifically talking about China. So, no, we have not had the corruption and dangerous foods/products be the majority of our products.

As far as isolationism is concerned, I never said the prevent all imports from everywhere. However, the reigns need to be pulled back once we become a country that is losing their middle class because all of our factories are closed. There is a happy medium on that continuum. It isn't black and white as you are trying to paint it, just for the sake of arguing with me.

i could paint a e-collage of USA manufacturing and fucked up products that have resulted in death
it is not limited to china

 

[heatherrae]

I had a snoopy snow cone machine.

Me too! I loved that thing! I can't wait to buy my baby all these cool toys so I can play with them again...lol.

 

[gotmilk]

Ever think the gooks are doing it to us on purpose?

Building their military and munitions at the same time they are poisoning us....

 

[heatherrae]

Ever think the gooks are doing it to us on purpose?

Building their military and munitions at the same time they are poisoning us....

Well, no. I never really thought that. lol. I just think that they don't have any sort of controls and are laughing all the way to the bank while we buy their shitty products.

 

[jnevin]

 

[Papa Lion]

Ever think the gooks are doing it to us on purpose?

Building their military and munitions at the same time they are poisoning us....

don't forget dumbing down our future generations pushin pokemon along with countless other similar cartoons!! while their kids are doing ten hours of school a day!!

 

[gotmilk]

They send their top nuclear students to US Colleges, they bank trillions from manufacturing while screwing with the environment, and the little bastards continue to arm North Korea fully knowing it diverts our attention.

However, one day, the Japs while finish off what they started 65 years ago.

 

[roadwarrior]

We need to bring our factories back to america. No more tax incentives for chasing cheap labor around the globe! Our economy is collapsing.

Agreed ... our quest for cheaper everything has contributed to a big loss in the American economy. Globalization is complex and a natural development with increased ease of travel, transport, and communications. It's been going for a long time as people have sought products from other parts of the world but has accelerated as of late with more outsourcing to other countries to decrease costs. We need to be careful of the damage potentially done to America with open borders and free trade with the likes of China, India, Brazil, and Russia. They are all rapidly growing economies that will surpass us in the next 20 - 40 years if we don't get Amreica back on track. On the other hand, a strong America that looks out for its interests, defends itself, encourages innovation, and builds on our foundation of "skys' the limit" for those who work hard ( no free rides!!!), could contionue to be a leader in the world for a long time to come.

 

[roadwarrior]

They send their top nuclear students to US Colleges, they bank trillions from manufacturing while screwing with the environment, and the little bastards continue to arm North Korea fully knowing it diverts our attention.

However, one day, the Japs while finish off what they started 65 years ago.

China is still pursuing Mao's super power program. They want to replace us as #1 and will definitely play dirty smiling in our faces while stabbing us in the back to get it.

 

[javaguru]

They send their top nuclear students to US Colleges, they bank trillions from manufacturing while screwing with the environment, and the little bastards continue to arm North Korea fully knowing it diverts our attention.

However, one day, the Japs while finish off what they started 65 years ago.

Conquer China, Korea, Vietnam, Indonesia and the Phillipines?

 

[gotmilk]

Conquer China, Korea, Vietnam, Indonesia and the Phillipines?

Kill the Chinese...

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

We need to bring our factories back to america. No more tax incentives for chasing cheap labor around the globe! Our economy is collapsing.

True. We will have little to nothing to fall back on if our service industry takes a dive. Which it will if we get to the point of a severe recession and there's little money to be spent.

 

[Gambino]

True. We will have little to nothing to fall back on if our service industry takes a dive. Which it will if we get to the point of a severe recession and there's little money to be spent.

yay, we should force manufacturing companies to stay stateside, were they will have to pay their unionized workers a sheetload of money and benefits!!!@#!@#@ it will be so glorious

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

yay, we should force manufacturing companies to stay stateside, were they will have to pay their unionized workers a sheetload of money and benefits!!!@#!@#@ it will be so glorious

That would have to be restructured.

 

[Gambino]

That would have to be restructured.

hard to force consumers to by overpriced products
manufacturting, stateside, is a relic of the past
holding on to it will only cause more unemployment, esp in our state

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

This country's fucked if it's gotten to that point.

 

[heatherrae]

Agreed ... our quest for cheaper everything has contributed to a big loss in the American economy. Globalization is complex and a natural development with increased ease of travel, transport, and communications. It's been going for a long time as people have sought products from other parts of the world but has accelerated as of late with more outsourcing to other countries to decrease costs. We need to be careful of the damage potentially done to America with open borders and free trade with the likes of China, India, Brazil, and Russia. They are all rapidly growing economies that will surpass us in the next 20 - 40 years if we don't get Amreica back on track. On the other hand, a strong America that looks out for its interests, defends itself, encourages innovation, and builds on our foundation of "skys' the limit" for those who work hard ( no free rides!!!), could contionue to be a leader in the world for a long time to come.

Agreed!

 

[gotmilk]

hard to force consumers to by overpriced products
manufacturting, stateside, is a relic of the past
holding on to it will only cause more unemployment, esp in our state

So, what would happen to Michigan if GM and Ford went to Mexico full time?

Maine took it in the ass 13 years ago when NAFTA was inacted. Shoe companies, various manufacturing, and most skilled companies headed to the Domincan. Throw in Paper wars with sibsidized Canadians, fishing limits, and increased immigrants relocating here, Maine is about $1.5 Billion in the hole annually.

That budget gap is made up with higher taxes and cut services. A double negative.

Those medial jobs going overseas....are needed to counter the massive number of low skilled people entering the country. We cannot send jobs overseas and keep allowing more people into the country. It's a fact.

I have a 1000 Bass shoe jobs that I send overseas. I left 1000 people looking for work in an area where jobs are scarce (Western Maine is scarce). At the same time, that same area gets stuck with 1000 Somali immigrants who were relocated here without grants to cover their expenses. Now, I have 2000 people fighting for the same scarce jobs. Meantime, 1000 Domincans are making my fucking boots for 1/7th the costs.

This is not a model for financial health.

 

[Razorguns]

lol

we can't even clean our toilets or mow our lawns, and people expect us to make vcr's and sweaters?!

r

 

[Gambino]

So, what would happen to Michigan if GM and Ford went to Mexico full time?

.

michigan is fucked as i'm sure you know/realize
nothing is gonna bring back the factories/jobs
put all our eggs in the auto basket and it's come back to burn us
my income depends on auto sales

 

[calveless wonder]

michigan is fucked as i'm sure you know/realize
nothing is gonna bring back the factories/jobs
put all our eggs in the auto basket and it's come back to burn us
my income depends on auto sales

and you weren't biased when it came to choosing GM

but yeah bro, michigan is completely fucked. my friends all moved from there to get away from it. they talk about it like it was a mass exodus lol.
immigrants from michigan seeking opportunity. The real estate market there is so FUCKED.

crazy shit

 

[Gambino]

and you weren't biased when it came to choosing GM

but yeah bro, michigan is completely fucked. my friends all moved from there to get away from it. they talk about it like it was a mass exodus lol.
immigrants from michigan seeking opportunity. The real estate market there is so FUCKED.

crazy shit

i'd take a serious look at toyota for my next truck
i just disagree with the assement that GM sucks

 

[Creepusmaximus]

i'd take a serious look at toyota for my next truck
i just disagree with the assement that GM sucks

Part of GM's problems are the unions. Unions simply ask for more always, that's the way it's set up. A union never can say to it's memebers 'we're set and we're not going to try and get more". The UAW pushed to the point where GM spends a billion dollars a year on the jobs bank. If you don't know what that is look it up. Delphi was the same way, bloat after bloat with never ending benefits. There is a point where you just can't get away with it.

I know everyone thinks they're skilled labor but if your job can be sent to some shit ass country for a fifth the cost, your unskilled labor.

 

[javaguru]

Kill the Chinese...

The Chinese and Japanese have a special kind of hatred.... Unfortunately, the Japanese would lose to the Chinese....it ain't 1936 anymore....

 

[javaguru]

Here is the reality, I consulted with a distributor of Christmas ornaments when I first started in IT, back in 1998. He tried to purchase only American made products but nobody would purchase them because of the cost even when he used the "buy American" marketing campaign.

 

[roadwarrior]

Part of GM's problems are the unions. Unions simply ask for more always, that's the way it's set up. A union never can say to it's memebers 'we're set and we're not going to try and get more". The UAW pushed to the point where GM spends a billion dollars a year on the jobs bank. If you don't know what that is look it up. Delphi was the same way, bloat after bloat with never ending benefits. There is a point where you just can't get away with it.

I know everyone thinks they're skilled labor but if your job can be sent to some shit ass country for a fifth the cost, your unskilled labor.

Unions are a big part of what killed a lot of manufacturing in US. There's a market value for a given product or service. Globalization has hit us no matter what we want so we have to compete with the lower cost labor forces in the world. Unions demand wages out of line with market value then argue with modernizations that could raise productivity and keep COGS down so that we could compete. In additon, the practice of increase wages just for coming to work year after year versus a meritocracy of raises for performance exacerbates the problem. The last affects all unions and not just manaufacturing... look at teachers or nurses. My wife is a senior ICU nurse and complains that the union prevents management from cracking down on slackers that cause patient risk by their poor performance and attitude. Not that unions are the only problem... America's insatiable appetite for more, bigger, faster, better along with mass marketing that would make one believe everyone deserves everything no matter what the market value of their skills adds a major component to problems in America. As many here and elsewhere have said... we're in for a major shakeup. Look at what the sub-prime mortgage issue of people going too deep in debt to finance the "American Dream" has contributed to the housing industry decline. If we get hit with energy issues or declining dollar makes buying foreign goods more expensive thus triggering an overall economic decline then service sector takes it on the chin in a lot of areas as individuals and companies simply spend less. It becomes a downward spiral. But... I still believe it can be fixed and America is the greatest country on the planet. Wish I had all the answers though.

 

[roadwarrior]

Was just listening to the radio and heard that China is threatening that if we put trade sanctions on them then they'll screw with our bond market. They hold $1 Trillion in US bonds. I knew they had a lot but that's ridiculous... our biggest potential enemy holding our debt and then blackmailing us with it.

Islamo-facists are an annoyance, at least until they unify and get the ability to deliver nuclear or other WMD to US soil, and Russia has enough of their own issues though Putin would like to do a coup to stay in power and control all but China is a real threat in the next decade or so militarily and economically.

Ah... the world is a fucked up place. I'm almost ready to take to the hills, build up my arsenal, and prepare for Armageddon but since I don't believe in God... what will we call the end of the world?

 

[blueta2]

All I know is I'm fed up of their lack of driving skills.

Had a driving school in front of me the other day and the guy went through 2 stops and almost hit a car. I was like "who, this kid is going to fail"
Got up to the light and realized the guy was alone and was the instructor and he was Chinese.
I hate their food, their driving and their convenience stores (very dirty).
The dog food thing did NOT surprise me

 

[cindylou]

Unions are a big part of what killed a lot of manufacturing in US. There's a market value for a given product or service. Globalization has hit us no matter what we want so we have to compete with the lower cost labor forces in the world. Unions demand wages out of line with market value then argue with modernizations that could raise productivity and keep COGS down so that we could compete. In additon, the practice of increase wages just for coming to work year after year versus a meritocracy of raises for performance exacerbates the problem. The last affects all unions and not just manaufacturing... look at teachers or nurses. My wife is a senior ICU nurse and complains that the union prevents management from cracking down on slackers that cause patient risk by their poor performance and attitude. Not that unions are the only problem... America's insatiable appetite for more, bigger, faster, better along with mass marketing that would make one believe everyone deserves everything no matter what the market value of their skills adds a major component to problems in America. As many here and elsewhere have said... we're in for a major shakeup. Look at what the sub-prime mortgage issue of people going too deep in debt to finance the "American Dream" has contributed to the housing industry decline. If we get hit with energy issues or declining dollar makes buying foreign goods more expensive thus triggering an overall economic decline then service sector takes it on the chin in a lot of areas as individuals and companies simply spend less. It becomes a downward spiral. But... I still believe it can be fixed and America is the greatest country on the planet. Wish I had all the answers though.

If a company cant/wont pay their employees a decent living wage (transportation, roof over head, health insurance, food) then they should not be a company.

PLEASE! These companies are profiting BILLIONS and its the Union's fault? Yes, the union gets out of hand, but its not the Unions fault that companies go to other countries for cheap labor whose countries who have no civil rights or liberties to their own people, who could give a shit less if they pay their workers dimes an hour. Come on!! The greedy corps dont want to pay a decent wage so they go somewhere else, and Americans are digging their own grave buying their products.

 

[H_T_]

i love Nips...

 

[H_T_]

 

[blueta2]

those are made in China?

 

[H_T_]

those are made in China?

not even chinese people are made in China anymore....

 

[blueta2]

not even chinese people are made in China anymore....

do chinese ppl even have nibs? ;-)

 

[H_T_]

do chinese ppl even have nibs? ;-)

china & africa need to switch 50% of their denizens.....let the fun begin!

 

[roadwarrior]

If a company cant/wont pay their employees a decent living wage (transportation, roof over head, health insurance, food) then they should not be a company.

PLEASE! These companies are profiting BILLIONS and its the Union's fault? Yes, the union gets out of hand, but its not the Unions fault that companies go to other countries for cheap labor whose countries who have no civil rights or liberties to their own people, who could give a shit less if they pay their workers dimes an hour. Come on!! The greedy corps dont want to pay a decent wage so they go somewhere else, and Americans are digging their own grave buying their products.

Corporations have an obligation to increase share value and profits to the shareholders... me and you. If we don't like a company's practices then we can vote with our wallet and not buy the product or stock but they are just doing their jobs. CEOs, for the most part, are rewarded for increasing share value. I want my portfolio to increase in value so I want them to do their jobs.

But, if the expectation is that an individual has a right to higher wages and a company has an obligation to pay higher wages in a changing market where that labor is worth less on the global market then many industries will not exist in USA. Next we will have the goverment responsible to provide for people who couldn't be bothered getting educations and reading the writing on the wall and in the news everyday that they need to continually train and develop skills to complete in a global economy. I'm not saying unions are 100% of the problem but protecting slackers from termination and increasing wages solely for time on the job definitely prices them out of many markets.

Goverment could implement trade sanctions to protect industries in US but at what expense? Higher prices for everything, trade hassles across the board, international tension, and China is holding their trillion dollar bond club over our heads if we do implement sanctions. We've dug a deep hole and it won't be easy to get out of it.

 

[Gambino]

Corporations have an obligation to increase share value and profits to the shareholders... me and you. If we don't like a company's practices then we can vote with our wallet and not buy the product or stock but they are just doing their jobs. CEOs, for the most part, are rewarded for increasing share value. I want my portfolio to increase in value so I want them to do their jobs.

But, if the expectation is that an individual has a right to higher wages and a company has an obligation to pay higher wages in a changing market where that labor is worth less on the global market then many industries will not exist in USA. Next we will have the goverment responsible to provide for people who couldn't be bothered getting educations and reading the writing on the wall and in the news everyday that they need to continually train and develop skills to complete in a global economy. I'm not saying unions are 100% of the problem but protecting slackers from termination and increasing wages solely for time on the job definitely prices them out of many markets.

Goverment could implement trade sanctions to protect industries in US but at what expense? Higher prices for everything, trade hassles across the board, international tension, and China is holding their trillion dollar bond club over our heads if we do implement sanctions. We've dug a deep hole and it won't be easy to get out of it.

good post

 

[Gambino]

If a company cant/wont pay their employees a decent living wage (transportation, roof over head, health insurance, food) then they should not be a company.

PLEASE! These companies are profiting BILLIONS and its the Union's fault? Yes, the union gets out of hand, but its not the Unions fault that companies go to other countries for cheap labor whose countries who have no civil rights or liberties to their own people, who could give a shit less if they pay their workers dimes an hour. Come on!! The greedy corps dont want to pay a decent wage so they go somewhere else, and Americans are digging their own grave buying their products.

i love how people think that these billions of dollars are going to a handful of CEOs
the stock holders are the people demanding profits, the ceos are at their mercy
the "greedy corps" as you refer to them as are driven by stock holder demands...and i'd be willing to bet you profit from them in some way. do you have any mutal funds? then you are a part of the greedy masses demanding profit on their stock investments

 

[cindylou]

i love how people think that these billions of dollars are going to a handful of CEOs
the stock holders are the people demanding profits, the ceos are at their mercy
the "greedy corps" as you refer to them as are driven by stock holder demands...and i'd be willing to bet you profit from them in some way. do you have any mutal funds? then you are a part of the greedy masses demanding profit on their stock investments

I understand what you are saying. I still think that a company should pay a decent living wage to the working.

I love how people like to blame the unions, becasue they want to feel better about their cheaper foreign purchase. As long as it settles their conscience!

 

[Gambino]

I understand what you are saying. I still think that a company should pay a decent living wage to the working.

I love how people like to blame the unions, becasue they want to feel better about their cheaper foreign purchase. As long as it settles their conscience!

i live in UAW country, I've been in a carpenters local for 5 yrs, i know how unions work.
no one is entitled to a good wage, you have to earn it

 

[Gambino]

I understand what you are saying. I still think that a company should pay a decent living wage to the working.

I!

what is your definition of "decent"??
the UAW package equals out to about 75 and hour.

 

[cindylou]

i live in UAW country, I've been in a carpenters local for 5 yrs, i know how unions work.
no one is entitled to a good wage, you have to earn it

They earn it.

Some of the most hardworking people in this country are the working poor.


I love how people think poor people dont work hard!

Do you think that everyone who makes 7 bucks an hour does not work hard? I dont understand that.

 

[cindylou]

what is your definition of "decent"??
the UAW package equals out to about 75 and hour.

My hub makes about 60 a year right now. He's not a mechanic yet. *edit identifying info here lol*

However the work is so hard on the body that he wont make it past 55 if he does, it will be service work, which means we have to set alot back on retirement, and cant rely on him working past 65. The body just gives out.

He cant work till he is 90 like alot of other people in America who have an office job.

 

[Gambino]

They earn it.

Some of the most hardworking people in this country are the working poor.


I love how people think poor people dont work hard!

Do you think that everyone who makes 7 bucks an hour does not work hard? I dont understand that.

i know all about hard work, proly the hardest work available, carpentry work.
the person making 7 an hour, let's say at mcdonalds.
so the gov't comes in, demands that mcd's pay their employees 15 an hour.
do you think the stockholders are gonna take the hit? fuck no, they pass it on to the consumer...so the price of a big mac triples in cost.
they same working poor who enjoy and need a cheap source of food can no longer afford to eat it, mcds doesn't sell as many, business goes down, etc
gov't mandated wages-death for business

 

[cindylou]

i know all about hard work, proly the hardest work available, carpentry work.
the person making 7 an hour, let's say at mcdonalds.
so the gov't comes in, demands that mcd's pay their employees 15 an hour.
do you think the stockholders are gonna take the hit? fuck no, they pass it on to the consumer...so the price of a big mac triples in cost.
they same working poor who enjoy and need a cheap source of food can no longer afford to eat it, mcds doesn't sell as many, business goes down, etc
gov't mandated wages-death for business

Why can they not afford to eat at mcd's @ 15 bucks an hour?

I know that the stockholders wont take the hit. I dont support a gov't mandated wage either. Of course not. We depend on the working poor to support our riches/ and at least we should acknowledge that. Can we do something about it? Yeah. Will we? Probably not. But dont blame an organization that helps the working have a voice. The high cost of products in America is not because of unions. Its greedy stockholders/ corps. You and me , all of us. Greedy, and depend on the poor McDonalds worker who lives in a hotel and sometimes eats at a local shelter. IF we were to pay them what they deserved, we would not have as much .

 

[Gambino]

Why can they not afford to eat at mcd's @ 15 bucks an hour?

I know that the stockholders wont take the hit. I dont support a gov't mandated wage either. Of course not. We depend on the working poor to support our riches/ and at least we should acknowledge that. Can we do something about it? Yeah. Will we? Probably not. But dont blame an organization that helps the working have a voice. The high cost of products in America is not because of unions. Its greedy stockholders/ corps. You and me , all of us. Greedy, and depend on the poor McDonalds worker who lives in a hotel and sometimes eats at a local shelter. IF we were to pay them what they deserved, we would not have as much .

so what do they deserve, for doing an unskilled job?
most minimum wage earners move on to higher paying jobs

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

i'd take a serious look at toyota for my next truck
i just disagree with the assement that GM sucks

Domestic brands (big three) are a shell of what they used to be. Save a model here and there from each, the majority are mediocre automobiles at best, made with parts and labor that resonate cost cutting over quality. I'm starting to think GM stands for Generic Merchandise, save for a few upscale makes and 1/2 tons.

 

[rsnoble-im-back]

I'd like to import 20 sluts please.

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

Part of GM's problems are the unions. Unions simply ask for more always, that's the way it's set up. A union never can say to it's memebers 'we're set and we're not going to try and get more". The UAW pushed to the point where GM spends a billion dollars a year on the jobs bank. If you don't know what that is look it up. Delphi was the same way, bloat after bloat with never ending benefits. There is a point where you just can't get away with it.

I know everyone thinks they're skilled labor but if your job can be sent to some shit ass country for a fifth the cost, your unskilled labor.

The union workers are so spoiled now that their work quality takes a back seat to them getting more benefits, and auto makers and consumers keep accepting it each for their own reasons. Double whammy.

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

Unions are a big part of what killed a lot of manufacturing in US. There's a market value for a given product or service. Globalization has hit us no matter what we want so we have to compete with the lower cost labor forces in the world. Unions demand wages out of line with market value then argue with modernizations that could raise productivity and keep COGS down so that we could compete. In additon, the practice of increase wages just for coming to work year after year versus a meritocracy of raises for performance exacerbates the problem. The last affects all unions and not just manaufacturing... look at teachers or nurses. My wife is a senior ICU nurse and complains that the union prevents management from cracking down on slackers that cause patient risk by their poor performance and attitude. Not that unions are the only problem... America's insatiable appetite for more, bigger, faster, better along with mass marketing that would make one believe everyone deserves everything no matter what the market value of their skills adds a major component to problems in America. As many here and elsewhere have said... we're in for a major shakeup. Look at what the sub-prime mortgage issue of people going too deep in debt to finance the "American Dream" has contributed to the housing industry decline. If we get hit with energy issues or declining dollar makes buying foreign goods more expensive thus triggering an overall economic decline then service sector takes it on the chin in a lot of areas as individuals and companies simply spend less. It becomes a downward spiral. But... I still believe it can be fixed and America is the greatest country on the planet. Wish I had all the answers though.

I doubt it. It will only continue to get worse until it's too late and the people who could've done something sooner will just be like We'll only change when our lives depend on it. Even then a lot of younger people these days with their der der mentality thanks to our circus-like culture will hamper the recovery process. To most it will be like "what hit us?" and the shock will take a while to set in before we start adjusting and fighting back. Our whole country's structure has to change before that happens though as well.

 

[gotmilk]

Part of GM's problems are the unions.

Part of GM's problem is they never properly reinvested their income. Their pension meatheads can legally buy MTN's in the 50's and resell same day in the 70's.

20 POINTS daily....and yet they invested in losing tech stocks, piss poor municiple bonds, and held huge cash positions

 

[Gambino]

Part of GM's problem is they never properly reinvested their income. Their pension meatheads can legally buy MTN's in the 50's and resell same day in the 70's.

20 POINTS daily....and yet they invested in losing tech stocks, piss poor municiple bonds, and held huge cash positions

bro i don't even think properly reinvested income could cover the burden of penions and benefits for the retired
ford stock used to be 48 a share
i think it's around 7-8 now? fucked up

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

bro i don't even think properly reinvested income could cover the burden of penions and benefits for the retired
ford stock used to be 48 a share
i think it's around 7-8 now? fucked up

I was still in high school and lucky if I saw Ford's stock around 30.

 

[Gambino]

I was still in high school and lucky if I saw Ford's stock around 30.

30 is a lot more than 8
bro you ever been to the pacific northwest? i would highly recommend it

 

[heatherrae]

hard to force consumers to by overpriced products
manufacturting, stateside, is a relic of the past
holding on to it will only cause more unemployment, esp in our state

LOL....boy, you never got over Reaganomics, did you?

If you ship all the factories overseas, who is going to buy all the products?

Also, LOL @ you bitching about pensions, etc. Those workers bust their asses for 30 + years for those pensions. I know, because my dad is a retired Ford worker. You know how much his pension is now that he is retired? $17,000 a year. Wow, he sure is a freeloader.

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

30 is a lot more than 8
bro you ever been to the pacific northwest? i would highly recommend it

I went through the whole west coast with my folks when I was younger. Washington/Oregon is amazing. I'd love to live on the west coast someday. I would miss the freshwater and snow villages we have in MI though but that's about it.

 

[Gambino]

LOL....boy, you never got over Reaganomics, did you?

If you ship all the factories overseas, who is going to buy all the products?

Also, LOL @ you bitching about pensions, etc. Those workers bust their asses for 30 + years for those pensions. I know, because my dad is a retired Ford worker. You know how much his pension is now that he is retired? $17,000 a year. Wow, he sure is a freeloader.

if you ship the factoires overseas, we still buy the products
hasn't stopped walmart from selling a sheetload

did i ever accuse anyone of freeloading? if i did, i would be a major hypocrite
i pay into the carpenters local 1022 pension fund, my parents are both retired state workers who collect pensions
and 17k? really? that's sounds low, i'm gonna call bullshit or mistake
retirees from the big 3 all around here, they make more than that

 

[gotmilk]

if you ship the factoires overseas, we still buy the products
hasn't stopped walmart from selling a sheetload

Most of Walmart's products are cheap to begin with.

Take Wolverine shit kickers....used to be made in Jay, Maine by ladies making like $15 a hour. Ladies who had like 15 to 20 years into the company. Now made by kakdiesel's lost cousins.....


When you're 40 years old, minimal training, not much for savings, and living in an area where jobs are scare or seasonal (ski areas), you're pretty much fucked.

Walmart makes cheap products to cater to the low income people here in the U.S......hence, why they need large margins and slave labor.

 

[heatherrae]

if you ship the factoires overseas, we still buy the products
hasn't stopped walmart from selling a sheetload

did i ever accuse anyone of freeloading? if i did, i would be a major hypocrite
i pay into the carpenters local 1022 pension fund, my parents are both retired state workers who collect pensions
and 17k? really? that's sounds low, i'm gonna call bullshit or mistake
retirees from the big 3 all around here, they make more than that

I'm not going to post up my dad's income tax returns, and I really don't care if you believe it or not. Why would I lie about it? He made good money when he worked at Ford. His house is paid, etc. Now he lives on the pension.

If no one has an income bino, they can't buy the defective/poisonous products that we ship in from China and that you seem to be so gung ho to protect.

 

[Gambino]

I'm not going to post up my dad's income tax returns, and I really don't care if you believe it or not. Why would I lie about it? He made good money when he worked at Ford. His house is paid, etc. Now he lives on the pension.

If no one has an income bino, they can't buy the defective/poisonous products that we ship in from China and that you seem to be so gung ho to protect.

so it doesn't sound like your dad is struggling
and a pension of 17k is a lot more than most young peeps will have when they retire
but that is a low figure, my parents pull triple that in pension moneys
if we couldn't buy these defective/poisonous products, then why are they selling like hotcakes???

 

[Gambino]

and please point out where i ever used the word freeloading HR
you love twisting words

 

[gotmilk]

then why are they selling like hotcakes???

Because our meathead government has not allocated enough funds to cover the costs of checking in advance....the money, the employees, or the facilities. Hence, why we are stuck with recalls versus catching the problems in the first place.

 

[Creepusmaximus]

Because our meathead government has not allocated enough funds to cover the costs of checking in advance....the money, the employees, or the facilities. Hence, why we are stuck with recalls versus catching the problems in the first place.

China is actually doing something. They took their FDA head guy out and shot him for taking bribes. China doesn't want to send out defective/dangerous products but business is so out of control over there it's going to take a while. Japan at one time was known for selling cheap crap, over time they went high end and their economy hasn't really done much in a decade. It will happen to China down the road.

After that cheap crap will come from Africa or South America and so it will go on for ever.

 

[heatherrae]

China is actually doing something. They took their FDA head guy out and shot him for taking bribes. China doesn't want to send out defective/dangerous products but business is so out of control over there it's going to take a while. Japan at one time was known for selling cheap crap, over time they went high end and their economy hasn't really done much in a decade. It will happen to China down the road.

After that cheap crap will come from Africa or South America and so it will go on for ever.

Yep, he got executed for being corrupt.

bino can argue all he wants, but wait until one of his kids one day dies because a toy he gave him was poisonous. Then let's hear his tune.

 

[Gambino]

Yep, he got executed for being corrupt.

bino can argue all he wants, but wait until one of his kids one day dies because a toy he gave him was poisonous. Then let's hear his tune.

lol you're so over dramatic
how many people do you know that have died from a poisonous toy? zero

 

[javaguru]

Yep, he got executed for being corrupt.

bino can argue all he wants, but wait until one of his kids one day dies because a toy he gave him was poisonous. Then let's hear his tune.

Ummm.... are you talking about the lead thing? The US had lead toys into the 1980's and it never killed me or my friends...I still have toy soldiers I collected in the 1980's made from lead.... Don't believe everything the media tells you about the dangers of X...

 

[b0und]

I like Chinese pussy, almost as much as Vietnamese, Japanese, Korean, Thai, Cambodian, Laotian and Filipinas, Pinays are the best though.

Just Saying.




b0und (horny white male with yellow fever)

 

[roadwarrior]

After that cheap crap will come from Africa or South America and so it will go on for ever.

You are so right... China is already making inroads to Africa as a beachhead for expanding their influence. It's kind of a fucked place for ex-colonial nations including US.

I do technology work all over the world. I have never gone to Africa except for Egypt. There is so little industry. I talk to some sales execs at big storage and networking companies...they see Africa and South America as undertapped markets.

 

[roadwarrior]

Ider der mentality thanks to our circus-like culture will hamper the recovery process.

I thought it was dee da dee ....kudos for the Carlos Mencia reference.

 

[cindylou]

so what do they deserve, for doing an unskilled job?
most minimum wage earners move on to higher paying jobs

an adult full time worker deserves to be paid a "living wage".

Enough for food transportation and a roof over their head and health insurance.

7 bucks and hour wont cut it.

 

[Gambino]

an adult full time worker deserves to be paid a "living wage".

Enough for food transportation and a roof over their head and health insurance.

7 bucks and hour wont cut it.

then, that adult worker needs to have adult skills and abillites
you don't pay someone just because they are older, you pay someone for having a worthwhile skill that commands a decent wage.
you are gonna get no sympathy from me about this matter, you can make more than 7 an hour if you use your back and sweat. but people are lazy and don't wanna work that hard or get further educated so they are stuck in menial but easy jobs. zero sympathy

 

[javaguru]

What people fail to understand is that artificially increasing minimum wage to a "living wage", let's say $12.00 an hour, will artificially increase the cost of all goods and services produced by said people. That would then force more production jobs overseas.

 

[cindylou]

then, that adult worker needs to have adult skills and abillites
you don't pay someone just because they are older, you pay someone for having a worthwhile skill that commands a decent wage.
you are gonna get no sympathy from me about this matter, you can make more than 7 an hour if you use your back and sweat. but people are lazy and don't wanna work that hard or get further educated so they are stuck in menial but easy jobs. zero sympathy

Sympathy? Try EMPATHY. Do you know anyone who works these "unskilled" jobs? How about the fact that they sometimes work two or three jobs and they sweat and break their backs just to have a shitty trailer or a crappy motel that rents by the week and they cant buy cheap food because they have no microwave to even heat it up cant make ramen noodles ; no stove. No chef boyarde. I wonder why so many women want to have babies??

Look I was raised by a family members that thought like you. THey had a good start though ; they also could not put themselves in other people's shoes.

Would you feel any sympathy for a 40 year old housewife whose husband left her high and dry who has no skills because she was raising children? No retirement. Now she works two jobs. One at walmart and one at a diner. She makes minimum wage and is sick but cant see a doctor. she cant afford health insurance. She lives in a shitty motel in a bad part of town that rents by the week. The weekly rental is 200 bucks but she cant get enough money together to get a deposit on a crappy apartment that might be less.

She borrows money from her children when she can. She sometimes gets food from the local pantry but it consists of candy and cookies. No real food. Nothing warm. Not that she could warm it up anyway.