a long time ago... I cashed out 100 bucks for that bullshit... Gains? No way... Maybe some endurance... Hair and nales grew like nuts... But forget that shit ... All those prohormones... I tried all of them few year ago. damn gyno... thank God it went away... My poor wife I was explaining to her that soy protein did that shit to me... Roids don't cos as much crap as prohormones... Save your money for something decent... peace out... Read this board a lot... Search for info... and save your money... for something that will work good...