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[VajjPounder]

I've been considering going on a cycle of Trenadrol lately and all this is new to me so I'm just trying to gain some insight on how to go about a safe run so that I'll still be able to get a boner once I get off of it!

I know I will need milk thistle, hawthorn berries, and a good pct (which I was hoping to get some reccomendations for). Is an estrogen blocker necessary? What would be the benefits of using this?

I'm also wondering if a SARM based pct would be a better option.

I realize that 22 is young for a cycle that's why I'm opting for a prohormone rather than a full blown steroid. I just want to be safe and effective so I figured I'd consult the veterans. Thanks guys.

*Accidentally messed up title of thread..
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[moya]

first we need your stats (height, weight, bodyfat %), training history and diet...
second, gererally steroids are safer than prohoromones...

 

[VajjPounder]

I'm an even 6 foot tall, 180 lbs and about 12-14% bodyfat. Can still see abbs when flexed. I've been taking a multi every day and working a solid regimen consisting of bulking and cutting for about a year and a half now with previous lifting experience as well, just not as committed.

 

[VajjPounder]

Oh yes, and my diet is clean as well except for the occasional fried chicken and what not. I am naturally an ectomorph though so I can get away with these things from time to time. High protien from breakfast until dinner consisting mostly of eggs and meats, simple carbs in the morning and after workout mostly consisting of fruit and PWO shakes. Complex carbs throughout the rest of the day. Why do you say that prohormones aren't as safe?

 

[moya]

well, for starters... prohoromones are toxic to your liver because they are taken orally... oral steroids are toxic this way too, however injectables, including testosterone bypass the liver...
prohoromones aslo have less results AND shut your HPTA down... so recovery is just as hard, if not worse than aas... and by the time you recover, good luck keeping what little you gain...
you can research this and much more... which you SHOULD be doing before doing somthing like this... remember, you can go about permanantly screwing up your body if you go about doing this the wrong way... staying on too long, and not using proper PCT methods...
if you want to live up to your screen name... do your homework, take a few months and research the hell out of steroids... then when you are educated about what to do, post up your idea for a cycle and our opinion... you will be better off in the long run that way...
then you will be able to keep poundin' the vaj' because you wont have messed yourself up on prohoromones...

 

[VajjPounder]

Haha, right on bro. That's what this step is. I'm pretty much just doing the homework now while I save up money to drop on the supps. I understand the liver issue but that's what preloading the milk thistle will benefit. Same with blood pressure and hawthorn berries. I just don't like the idea of injecting myself. It will probably be 2 months at the least before I will be executing this cycle so I'm just trying to get all the information possible now so I will be well educated by that time. I'm thinking since this will be my first cycle I will only be on for 4-6 weeks. Still trying to gain as much information as possible on PCT. Thanks for your concern and reccomendations moya.

 

[jcb_phlps]

I think if one is to do it right you might just want to take the plunge. Maybe even just a moderate dose of a long ester test only cycle and run it for 10-12 weeks. You need to research PCT though bro big time. Its key, just as important as the cycle if not more important than the cycle. But if your insistant on running a oral cycle only thats up to you I would run in for 4 weeks at the beginning of a test cycle for a kicker. At moderate doses test will treat you good with not so many sides. I too am an ectomorph and I've just recently broke the 200 LB mark it feels great. My starting weight was 189lbs(190) at 6' and I'm currently up 14lbs this is my first cycle bro. Test C 400mgs weeks 1-12 and d-bol 30mg ED weeks 1-4. I've seen amazing results so far. Anyways just my two cents from a fellow ectomorph. How long have you been working out bro?

 

[VajjPounder]

Thanks for the feedback. It's very helpful comming from someone who has a similar body composition to myself. Most of my decision to run Trenodrol stems from what substances are excessible to me. I am unaware of many sources at this point. PCT is my biggest concern at the moment and unless I feel 110% confident that I have everything in check, I will not be running the cycle. I have heard extremely good feedback with Tren for as little as a 6 week cycle. I was thinking I would run Forma Stanzol throughout to help cut down on estrogen levels so my labido doesn't get too effected. Milk Thistle for liver control and Hawthorn Berries are a must for blood pressure. I've been working out solid for almost 2 years and have some undeticated experience even before then. I recently have taken the plunge to become a personal trainer and would like a little extra size to help sell my image, know what I mean bro? I too am shooting for the 200 mark, congrats!

 

[tical]

I know you want to play the safe route, being your first cycle - I was the same way as you were prior to my first run. Pro hormones can shut you down just as bad, if not worse than drugs classified as "anabolic steroids."

If you're going to go down this route, just get your hands on some real gear. Otherwise, wait until you do. There is so much real world experience and documentation (even medical studies) on REAL steroids vs. very little on pro hormones.

If you're scared to take shots, then do an anavar only cycle (other than the liver toxicity, nearly 0 side effects). Use clomid for PCT. That was my first cycle and I gained 8lbs and got strong as a mofo.

Once you start steroids though, you won't want to stop!

 

[stevesmi]

what is your age? you sound young.. read the rules. 21 or older please.

 

[VajjPounder]

I told you I am 22 years old, I said it in my first post.

Tical, how long was your first Anavar cycle when you gained 8 lbs?

One more problem with your suggestion though. I can obtain prohormones because they are still selling them on certain websites. This is not the case with "real" gear.

 

[tical]

My anavar cycle was 8 weeks long at 40mg ED... I didn't do a PCT although I wish I did. I just believed the shit that everyone said about it not being suppressive.