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‘Freelance Monotheists’: Do you believe in God but proscribe to no single religion?

My whole life I was an arrogant atheist asshole. I looked down on people who believe in God as naïve ignorants.

Then one day, it just occurred to me: Visible universe is 15 billion light years, and that is very small portion of actual universe. How did all this come into being? ‘Bang’ had to happen to matter or energy. Where did that energy or matter come from?

What blew my mind was this discovery: Hubble telescope has discovered that not only the universe is expanding but THE RATE OF EXPANSION OF UNIVERSE IS INCREASING. If ‘big bang’ theory is correct then it should be SLOWING DOWN.

Why is it not possible that God just threw part of His Devine Being to create this universe. The Devine design, so to speak. In most religion God is considered ‘Light’. In one religion it says that God said ‘happen’, and universe was created.

You don’t have to believe in Creationism to believe in God. You can believe in Big Bang and Evolution and God at the same time.

Human beings are the most intelligent life form on earth. Is it possible that there are more intelligent life forms somewhere else in universe that does understand the nature of God? Given the size of the universe, the answer cannot be no. Think how much science has progressed in last 100 years. Can you predict what our knowledge would be in another 5000 years? Do you definitely want to decide this issue on the basis of current human knowledge.

There is a lady who used to be a Southern Baptist. Then she became Roman Catholic nun. Now she is professor of religion and calls herself as ‘Freelance Monotheist’.

That is what I am. A Freelance Monotheist. I believe in God but don’t proscribe to any single religion. That is why I respect all monotheist religion and don’t criticize any.

Any other Freelance Monotheist here?
 
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dogoftheday said:
You cannot play on words.
You have to have a scientific argument.
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So you dont believe in divine creation? Personally i dont believe in the theory of evolution. I think darwinism is crap. Science isnt always correct.
 
Christ, I already addressed this damn issue on the other thread. I guess it's a more complicated thing than I ever thought, or else people are looking at some really poor science mags.

I'm glad you found a god and stuff, though.




:cow:
 
Christ Ive explained this on other threads. There isnt monotheism at work here, although some generalizations to Brahman in the Rig Veda and the Upanashads teachings. But polytheism at work here, beings in a different realm that we can communicate with and offer spiritual enlightenment. I visit them often and they are very curious and helpful entities. I can give you details on how to contact these beings from the alternate universe. Its not hard and similar to yogi teachings of harmony and mindbody plateaus. The harmony must be in balance for the connection to be made. Only then can they contact us, its the aliens that are responsible for the visions and religious knowledge of shamans and prophets.
 
Upanishadic literature tended to talk about this unitary or single divinity, power, or principle to the exclusion of all other gods, so that philosophically Indian thought during the Upanishadic period moved towards many of the same conclusions as Parmenides and the Eleatic philosophers did in ancient Greece. This single, unitary divinity had several aspects and names in the Upanishads, two of the most important are Atman, "Universal Spirit," and Brahman. The word "brahman" in Sanskrit originally meant "power" and specifically referred to the power of prayer or sacrifice to bring about material change in the world (hence the word brahmin for priest); so that Brahman seems to refer to the power that brings about and changes the physical universe. In the Upanishads , Brahman is not only the principle and creator of all there is, but is also the sum totality of the universe and its phenomena.

This dual nature of the single divinity or totality of the universe, Brahman and Atman, gets worked out in the following way. Brahman can be located both in the physical, external world and also in the spiritual and inner world where it is present as Atman, "universal spirit." Now every human being has an undying soul (atman) which, because of samsara, lasts through eternity from life to life; this undying atman is a microcosm of Atman, the universal spirit, which is identical to Brahman. By understanding your true Self, by coming to know one's own undying soul, one then arrives at the knowledge of Brahman itself; the key to understanding the nature of the one unitary principle of the universe is to see one's (undying) self as identical with Brahman: "aham asmi Brahman": I am Brahman.

Here's the equation: Brahman=Atman=atman. Brahman is the totality of the universe as it is present outside of you;, Atman is the totality of the universe as it is present within you; Brahman is the totality of the world known objectively, Atman is the totality of the world known subjectively. This equation fundamentally underlies the whole of Krishna's teachings concerning dharma in the Baghavad Gita .

In the later development of Hinduism, Brahman would become one aspect of a triune god and would represent the creation aspects of that god
 
samoth said:
Christ, I already addressed this damn issue on the other thread. I guess it's a more complicated thing than I ever thought, or else people are looking at some really poor science mags.

I'm glad you found a god and stuff, though.




:cow:
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I am sorry I missed your post.
Could you please do me a huge favor and copy and paste your post here.
I would be very easy for you to do.
Thanks.
 
dogoftheday said:
I am sorry I missed your post.
Could you please do me a huge favor and copy and paste your post here.
I would be very easy for you to do.
Thanks.
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Sure!

Basically:

The basis of the evidence for an accelerating universe is based on the single observation of SN 1987A where some things did not meet theoretical predictions based on the hubble constant. One explaination would be to let the density parameter omega<1, => rho<rho_crit, giving an open universe of hyperbolic geometry. But with curvature k<0, there's the problem with the solutions to the Friedmann eqn, since the acceleration/deceleration is determined by the second time derivative of the scale factor => q<0. Note that omega is normally time dependent, but iff omega=1 and it correlates to the specific case, it retains this value forever. This is where most of the debate is, since we are so close to the value one.

However, the geometry of the universe is connected to its ass, and this does not follow from what we have measured. It is only one single explanation; there are many more. That any are based on a single observation is quite absurd... but there are several 'big' current problems, such as the flatness problem, horizon problem, and the whole galaxy rotational problem that someone brought up earlier.

But the upshot is that the accelerating universe thm isn't dominant at all.
 
I think the goal is here is to be happy. Whatever conclusions you come to, if they satisfy your understanding of why then that is what you hold as truth. Obviously it is different for many of us, you've seen my anti-organized religion crusades on other threads but I fear I may have come off as arrogant.

Someone can be religious and I will still hold them in the highest respect if they are willing to do the same to me. When people start pushing stuff is when my defense goes up and the attack begins.
 
I am not disputing 'Big Bang' theory.
My bigger question is 'what banged'.
The energy or matter that 'banged' where did it come from?
Can anyone explain it?
 
dogoftheday said:
I am not disputing 'Big Bang' theory.
My bigger question is 'what banged'.
The energy or matter that 'banged' where did it come from?
Can anyone explain it?
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google fundamental philosophy big bang etc... you wont find an explanation here on this forum, but there are very many well thought out explanations and analysis on this. Just a clue, youre not gonna find a one sentence answer if that's what youre looking for.
 
Re: Any other ‘Freelance Monotheists’ here:

dogoftheday said:
I am not disputing 'Big Bang' theory.
My bigger question is 'what banged'.
The energy or matter that 'banged' where did it come from?
Can anyone explain it?
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Ha! ha! ... he said "Big Bang"
 
If there is an answer, it can be described in a single sentence.
If people have to write convoluted, long winded statements, then they really don't have an answer.
 
dogoftheday said:
If there is an answer, it can be described in a single sentence.
If people have to write convoluted, long winded statements, then they really don't have an answer.
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It'd be a hell of a runon sentence. But we all know that there is no one sentence answer. The most you can get is an intelligent thought process through the ideas and scenarios, I guess what you are at least attempting with this thread, I assume youre smart enough not to expect you wouldve have gotten a one sentence answer to it all from this. What is it again you are asking?
 
Re: ‘Freelance Monotheists’: Do you believe in God but proscribe to no single religio

dogoftheday said:
My whole life I was an arrogant atheist asshole. I looked down on people who believe in God as naïve ignorants.

Then one day, it just occurred to me: Visible universe is 15 billion light years, and that is very small portion of actual universe. How did all this come into being? ‘Bang’ had to happen to matter or energy. Where did that energy or matter come from?

What blew my mind was this discovery: Hubble telescope has discovered that not only the universe is expanding but THE RATE OF EXPANSION OF UNIVERSE IS INCREASING. If ‘big bang’ theory is correct then it should be SLOWING DOWN.

Why is it not possible that God just threw part of His Devine Being to create this universe. The Devine design, so to speak. In most religion God is considered ‘Light’. In one religion it says that God said ‘happen’, and universe was created.

You don’t have to believe in Creationism to believe in God. You can believe in Big Bang and Evolution and God at the same time.

Human beings are the most intelligent life form on earth. Is it possible that there are more intelligent life forms somewhere else in universe that does understand the nature of God? Given the size of the universe, the answer cannot be no. Think how much science has progressed in last 100 years. Can you predict what our knowledge would be in another 5000 years? Do you definitely want to decide this issue on the basis of current human knowledge.

There is a lady who used to be a Southern Baptist. Then she became Roman Catholic nun. Now she is professor of religion and calls herself as ‘Freelance Monotheist’.

That is what I am. A Freelance Monotheist. I believe in God but don’t proscribe to any single religion. That is why I respect all monotheist religion and don’t criticize any.

Any other Freelance Monotheist here?
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So, assuming the current scientific models cannot explain the existence of the universe, how does this support the idea of monotheism?
 
Re: ‘Freelance Monotheists’: Do you believe in God but proscribe to no single religio

Mastardo said:
So, assuming the current scientific models cannot explain the existence of the universe, how does this support the idea of monotheism?
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I am just considering the best logic and best evidence. Physics says that matter and energy can be interconverted but cannot be created. State of things do not change unless there is a force causing the change.
It just makes more sense.
 
Re: ‘Freelance Monotheists’: Do you believe in God but proscribe to no single religio

dogoftheday said:
I am just considering the best logic and best evidence. Physics says that matter and energy can be interconverted but cannot be created. State of things do not change unless there is a force causing the change.
It just makes more sense.
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OK .

so You Believe In God.

I might Too.

But The Question Of Monotheist Religion Still Exists in A World Full Of Religions .
 
Change is the basic laws of thermodynamics at work.

And how can you discount polytheism in favor of montheism with logic and evidence, how can that be done?
 
Re: ‘Freelance Monotheists’: Do you believe in God but proscribe to no single religio

dogoftheday said:
Physics says that matter and energy can be interconverted but cannot be created. State of things do not change unless there is a force causing the change.
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You replace one explanation with another, but I see no more explanatory power in "god". Its tempting to simply give up on explanation and replace it with "god", but it doesn't actually explain anything.

Is god conscious? Do you have a mind-first assumption? If so, first you should do some reading after Descartes on the mind-body problem - there's a lot to read.

Is god not conscious? Do you realize that Spinoza was an atheist by most definitions?
 
Re: ‘Freelance Monotheists’: Do you believe in God but proscribe to no single religio

perfectworld said:
OK .

so You Believe In God.

I might Too.

But The Question Of Monotheist Religion Still Exists in A World Full Of Religions .
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What the hell is in your avatar? :heart:
 
If you have a Creator powerful enough to create the universe with the size of trillions of light years, why would He need helpers?
 
dogoftheday said:
If you have a Creator powerful enough to create the universe with the size of trillions of light years, why would He need helpers?
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Thats the thing, you dont understand polytheism as it doesnt include helpers. They are all part of one overriding entity, the differentiation takes place to help distuinguish between the principles.
As in the example I listed as Brahman=Altman=altman
Brahman is all, different cultures have different belief systems that explain all of this. To have perspective and understanding then one should look at all not just one form of monotheism. I am not advocating one over the other.
 
Re: ‘Freelance Monotheists’: Do you believe in God but proscribe to no single religio

dogoftheday said:
Physics says that matter and energy can be interconverted but cannot be created. State of things do not change unless there is a force causing the change.
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Ehhh... that's only true in classical physics.

We've made a few updates since the 1600's.



:cow:
 
Re: ‘Freelance Monotheists’: Do you believe in God but proscribe to no single religio

Mastardo said:
You replace one explanation with another, but I see no more explanatory power in "god". Its tempting to simply give up on explanation and replace it with "god", but it doesn't actually explain anything.

Is god conscious? Do you have a mind-first assumption? If so, first you should do some reading after Descartes on the mind-body problem - there's a lot to read.

Is god not conscious? Do you realize that Spinoza was an atheist by most definitions?
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The type of childhood I had, only reading kept me sane.

In Professional school, I was studying a very difficult subject. For every 45 minutes of reading that subject, I rewarded myself by reading 'War and Peace' for 15 minutes. It worked.

I read a lot of philosophy a long time ago. From Plato to Aristotle to Avereos to Hagel. It doesn't impress me anymore.

I have read most of the Classical Literature in almost all languages. Most impressed by Russian literature (and French). English, unfortunately, does'nt have too much to offer except for some light fiction.

But spirituality (especially Sufism) is where I have ended up. I am a scientist by nature. I don't accept anything without a scientif enquiry.
 
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samoth said:
Ehhh... that's only true in classical physics.

We've made a few updates since the 1600's.



:cow:
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I am aware about modern physics.
I don't think it has changed the basic principles of 'classical' physics.
Newton described the 'principles'. Modern physics provided the explanation.
Did we have a 'physics revolution' since then?
Please let me know as I would like to update my knowledge.
 
Re: ‘Freelance Monotheists’: Do you believe in God but proscribe to no single religio

dogoftheday said:
The type of childhood I had, only reading kept me sane.

In Professional school, I was studying a very difficult subject. For every 45 minutes of reading that subject, I rewarded myself by reading 'War and Peace' for 15 minutes. It worked.

I read a lot of philosophy a long time ago. From Plato to Aristotle to Avereos to Hagel. It doesn't impress me anymore.

I have read most of the Classical Literature in almost all languages. Most impressed by Russian literature (and French). English, unfortunately, does'nt have too much to offer except for some light fiction.

But spirituality (especially Sufism) is where I have ended up. I am a scientist by nature. I don't accept anything without a scientif enquiry.
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Can you read Russian? Ancient Greek? What did you study?
 
Re: ‘Freelance Monotheists’: Do you believe in God but proscribe to no single religio

dogoftheday said:
I am aware about modern physics.
I don't think it has changed the basic principles of 'classical' physics.
Newton described the 'principles'. Modern physics provided the explanation.
Did we have a 'physics revolution' since then?
Please let me know as I would like to update my knowledge.
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I can recommend several excellent introductory textbooks to assist you in your scientif enquirys since you are unaware of modern physics.

Tipler's "Modern Physics" is excellent.

Halliday and Resnick's "Fundamentals of Physics" Vol. 4 and 5 are also good.

After those, Griffiths' "Quantum Mechanics" will actually delve you into the basics of last centuries discoveries.

Something on relativity wouldn't hurt, either.




:cow:
 
Come on Samoth, dont just list some texts that none of us will read, I wanna see you lay the samothsmack down, dirtydozen style!
 
BrothaBill said:
Come on Samoth, dont just list some texts that none of us will read, I wanna see you lay the samothsmack down, dirtydozen style!
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LOL, considering he said

I don't think it has changed the basic principles of 'classical' physics.
Newton described the 'principles'. Modern physics provided the explanation.
Did we have a 'physics revolution' since then?
Click to expand...

I'm truly at a loss for words :worried:



:cow:
 
Re: ‘Freelance Monotheists’: Do you believe in God but proscribe to no single religio

samoth said:
I can recommend several excellent introductory textbooks to assist you in your scientif enquirys since you are unaware of modern physics.

Tipler's "Modern Physics" is excellent.

Halliday and Resnick's "Fundamentals of Physics" Vol. 4 and 5 are also good.

After those, Griffiths' "Quantum Mechanics" will actually delve you into the basics of last centuries discoveries.

:cow:
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I was a physics/chemistry/biology major.
Don't you think I would know that?
 
Re: ‘Freelance Monotheists’: Do you believe in God but proscribe to no single religio

dogoftheday said:
I was a physics/chemistry/biology major.
Don't you think I would know that?
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No one would, with a comment like

I don't think it has changed the basic principles of 'classical' physics.
Newton described the 'principles'. Modern physics provided the explanation.
Did we have a 'physics revolution' since then?
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Perhaps I misunderstood you? I may have taken that the wrong way... somehow...



:cow:
 
Re: ‘Freelance Monotheists’: Do you believe in God but proscribe to no single religion?

dogoftheday said:
Human beings are the most intelligent life form on earth. Is it possible that there are more intelligent life forms somewhere else in universe that does understand the nature of God? Given the size of the universe, the answer cannot be no.
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WTF :confused: Price check on logic....anybody
 
sometimes when I get bored I'll head out and
freelance for some pussy
 
4everhung said:
sometimes when I get bored I'll head out and
freelance for some pussy
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I prefer freelance gynocology.

I owe my entire career choice to the influential words of Peter Steele.



:cow:
 
samoth said:
Okay... I'll shoot...

How does classical physics explain the quantum tunneling effect?



:cow:
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QTE is the only way to traverse the galaxy, you have to take D powder though to travel through the quantum walls. You must solve the wave schrodinger equation in your head first while on the fourth plateau to tunnel to the other universes.
 
BrothaBill said:
You must solve the wave schrodinger equation in your head first
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Yep, this certifies it. You're crazy. Or maybe a crazy genius. But either way, the word crazy is there, so I'll just keep it simple and say you're crazy.



**SCHRODINGER MAY HAVE SLEPT HERE**



:cow:
 
samoth said:
Waaaait a minute. You mean solving the 1-dimensional or the 3-dimensional form in your head?



:cow:
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Speaking of which, will you post the solution to the 3 plane geometry cube and compartment question with explanation please!!!
 
BrothaBill said:
Speaking of which, will you post the solution to the 3 plane geometry cube and compartment question with explanation please!!!
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:worried: oooh, crap, I was gonna answer your question you asked, but I forgot when I went outta state this weekend.

I'll try and get it up by tomorrow afternoon.





:cow:
 
samoth said:
:worried: oooh, crap, I was gonna answer your question you asked, but I forgot when I went outta state this weekend.

I'll try and get it up by tomorrow afternoon.





:cow:
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No probs fellow Orkneyian resident, I didnt spend too much time on it since I knew I wouldnt solve it without getting a headache.
 
I beleive the entire universe is held up by giant turtles.


LOL

I beleive there is "something" out there.. but thats as far as I let my puny human brain go.
 
samoth said:
LOL, considering he said



I'm truly at a loss for words :worried:



:cow:
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Make an argument.
You would not be at a loss.
If I cannot explein anything to my patient in simple language, I don't know it.
If you are at a loos for words, you are at a loss.
 
dogoftheday said:
Make an argument.
You would not be at a loss.
If I cannot explein anything to my patient in simple language, I don't know it.
If you are at a loos for words, you are at a loss.
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I think you missed post #45.

You must've been moving so fast that Newtonian physics hit a snafoo when you tried to read my stationary post.

god, that was lame, lol



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