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I strongly disagree with that. An oly gold medalist is a freak with excellent nervous system and huge vertical leap. Rezazadeh, who can generate more force than any guy on the planet, is nothing special to look at, and at 360 lbs is obviously fat. But he has a 6' high bar jump at 5'10" in height. Technique alone won't give you a 212 kilo snatch (tested). You've got to be a freak to do that.
argent said:
That's funny, I hold the same opinion of most BBers. I see puffy chests, arms, quads with little hamstring, errector, or hip development and I know they aren't strong - all for show but no balls. Like a porsche with a 150hp engine (only it doesn't brake or handle well either so not a great example)
Any lifter has to be able to pull and squat. There is some technique but you try 500+ front squats and let me know how you feel. Or try pulling 400+ overhead and then squating it up in the snatch position.
Most of these guys keep their weight down by choice. Lifts being equal the decision goes to relative bodyweight. I've seen competitors in the sub 150's who've retired and balooned up to their natural weight of close to 200. They are big and strong. I saw Taimazov from Ukraine at the Atlanta game - that man was a freak and had very solid genetics. The superheavies just have to improve condition. Anyone moving those weights is going to have major muscle.
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Allow me to eloborate. All I was saying is that technique comes first. Most olympic lifters start with lighter weights and perfect their technique. You could be the size of an IFBB bro and not be able to snatch very much at all. Then some guy or girl who is an olympic lifter could match or excede the pros lift. This would be based on technique. I do agree that in the upper eschelons, genetics come into play. But I think twithced was asking if he is going to get smoked in a lower level meet b/c he might question his genetics for the sport.
I do think that a lot of the top lifters in the world do not have the greatest body's. if you saw some of the world champions walking down the street. you would think some of them would have trouble lifting the bar. The pocket hercules is a 4'11 140 lbs man. he is thick, but you wouldn't think he could 420 above his head. olympic lifting takes great Technique, genetics, and a shit load of training. those lifters are incredable. i am strong and when i say strong, i mean deadlift 425 weighing about 150, but now take a guy younger then me( im 23) and have him clean and jerk 450 like it was just a routine thing is amazing. ol lifters are truly great athletes. strength, skill, balance, speed is all needed. it is great to see what one man's burst of energy can do. for those who want to try lifting those lifts. i think it can be for everyone and it is for all ages and sizes. the key is just going through the motions. first learn how to do a proper deep front and back squat, then move on to the clean cause its the easiest of the two lifts and then when you feel ready go to the snatch, i would first start off from blocks when doing the OL lifts. stay light for a long time an slowly add weight over time and when i say time i mean like months, remember the key is just going through the motions. Why do all these little complicated lifts to improve the OL lifts. I really think training should just involve squats( back and front) the olympic lifts and pulls every so often. training should involve lots of sets and little reps in the olympic lifts and moderate sets and reps in the other lifts. this is how the worlds best train. simple is best in my opinion. I love the motions , nothing feels as good as a nice snatch
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Fantastic guys. Thanks.
A question..
This one has really been hanging over my head.. the whole issue of olympic style squatting in general..You seem to squat between your legs, putting your knees far over your toes..A lot of powerlifters (and just about any strength coach) will say that this is really really bad for your knees.. is there any truth to this? I don't want to ruin my knees.. but there must be a way to do it without injury, because pyrros doesn't even wear knee wraps! And with the depth of these squats.. even more possible trauma..Is this negated by the fact that you use a lot lighter weight? (e.g. an o-lifter might need to front squat 500 at most, where a powerlifter of the same weight might need to squat 800 in a meet).
Also.. what happens when you "miss" one of these lifts, can't seem to find any videos of misses..
A question..
This one has really been hanging over my head.. the whole issue of olympic style squatting in general..You seem to squat between your legs, putting your knees far over your toes..A lot of powerlifters (and just about any strength coach) will say that this is really really bad for your knees.. is there any truth to this? I don't want to ruin my knees.. but there must be a way to do it without injury, because pyrros doesn't even wear knee wraps! And with the depth of these squats.. even more possible trauma..Is this negated by the fact that you use a lot lighter weight? (e.g. an o-lifter might need to front squat 500 at most, where a powerlifter of the same weight might need to squat 800 in a meet).
Also.. what happens when you "miss" one of these lifts, can't seem to find any videos of misses..
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Squatting full is the only way to squat. Go to www.ironmind.com and buy his training hall or competition videos. the training hall videos show some great squats, ie an 85 kg lifter front squatting 280kg. It's awesome. Email me if you want to buy the videos on VCD.
Nico
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I've seen 77kg lifter back squat 290kg for a double like nothing. ol lifting does involve your knees getting in front of your toes, but i feel with with proper training,. it shouldn't be a problem. just listen to your body. as far a missing a lift, not a big deal, just go where the weight doesn't. not many of the best miss cause it is so routine to them. nico is right though, ironmind has some cool videos u might want to check out. i have video of a 94kg lifter 18 year old kid clean 517, but missed the jerk. that weight would have been a new world record, but the kid still holds the old one of a 512 c + j( what a shame, yeah right)
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