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I trained them for a while and still use many of the movements. Body can't take much abuse anymore and I don't have access to bumpers right now.
Meso has some guys also - from what I can tell this "johnsmith" over there is a pretty solid strength coach with a team of lifters and other atheletes. Lots of westside training too. Worth your time.
Meso has some guys also - from what I can tell this "johnsmith" over there is a pretty solid strength coach with a team of lifters and other atheletes. Lots of westside training too. Worth your time.
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Golfer18--old
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The most famous olympic lifting coach works at my gym......
He has trained Blair Lobrano, Tommy Calandro, Bret Brian.......
He has trained Blair Lobrano, Tommy Calandro, Bret Brian.......
Thanks for replying.
What is the URL for the meso site?
I want to take a break off from bb'ing and hit some olympic lifting. I need to gain some sick ass-beating strength and speed.
I'm looking to put together a beginners routine, since I know strength gains come quick when you first start.. I dont think I will be needing a lot of the exotic partial range of motion lifts.
I've heard O-lifts are mega destructive to your body. Any truth to that?
I'm not looking for some vague sense of "strength" that someone might put a football player on, but a routine geared specifically towards the sport of olympic lifting, since I may decide to continue with the sport indefinately if I am successful.
Is this a very genetics-driven sport? I've got good natural trap and lower back strength, about 5'9".
twitched
What is the URL for the meso site?
I want to take a break off from bb'ing and hit some olympic lifting. I need to gain some sick ass-beating strength and speed.
I'm looking to put together a beginners routine, since I know strength gains come quick when you first start.. I dont think I will be needing a lot of the exotic partial range of motion lifts.
I've heard O-lifts are mega destructive to your body. Any truth to that?
I'm not looking for some vague sense of "strength" that someone might put a football player on, but a routine geared specifically towards the sport of olympic lifting, since I may decide to continue with the sport indefinately if I am successful.
Is this a very genetics-driven sport? I've got good natural trap and lower back strength, about 5'9".
twitched
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monkeyballs
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About 60% of my lifts are olympic movements.
Snatches
Hight Pulls
Snatch to Snatch squats
Clean to front squats
Push Presses
Push Jerks
Hang Cleans
Hang Snatch
Snatch Lunges
And Bench, Squat, and Deads.
That is all that I do.
As for determining whether or not you have the disposition to be a good competitive olympic lifter ask yourself the following.
1. Are you short statured
2. Are you generally explosive (I.E. vert jump)
3. Do you have really good balance
4. Are you coordinated (pretty good athlete)
Muscle density is also huge, the guys who are seriously competitive look like little trolls made out of bricks. IMO, it is a very genetically driven sport. About as much as sprinting. I think that powerlifting isn't quite as dependant on genetics.
As for O-lifts being tough on your joints. There are a bunch of studies that show both sides of the argument. One thing is clear though, an O-lift done incorrectly will fuck you up ten times quicker than a concentric lift done incorrectly. I think that this is where most of the reputation that O-lifts are tough on your body comes from. You can get away with improper squat form without an injury for quite some time, whereas one snatch done incorrectly will probably leave you without rotator cuffs. You really need a coach to work with you on these lifts before your teqnique is solid enough to go balls out.
As for that "vague" definition of strength. That's really what O-lifting in all about. Some bulgarian lifters have been able to C+J as much as they can Squat, and snatch twice what they can Bench. I've learned to love being "sports strong" more than "weight room" strong.
I love O-lifts and will probably never stop doing them. Gets your heartrate up in a hurry too, so it's really good for fat burning.
Shoot me an E-mail and I'll forward you a copy of my program if your intrested. I'll tweak it a little so it's specifically for O-lifting (you won't have to do all the sports specific bullshit that I do...lucky you)
There are few things more satisfying than the sound of dropped olympic plates right after you set a new PR.
Good luck Bro.
Snatches
Hight Pulls
Snatch to Snatch squats
Clean to front squats
Push Presses
Push Jerks
Hang Cleans
Hang Snatch
Snatch Lunges
And Bench, Squat, and Deads.
That is all that I do.
As for determining whether or not you have the disposition to be a good competitive olympic lifter ask yourself the following.
1. Are you short statured
2. Are you generally explosive (I.E. vert jump)
3. Do you have really good balance
4. Are you coordinated (pretty good athlete)
Muscle density is also huge, the guys who are seriously competitive look like little trolls made out of bricks. IMO, it is a very genetically driven sport. About as much as sprinting. I think that powerlifting isn't quite as dependant on genetics.
As for O-lifts being tough on your joints. There are a bunch of studies that show both sides of the argument. One thing is clear though, an O-lift done incorrectly will fuck you up ten times quicker than a concentric lift done incorrectly. I think that this is where most of the reputation that O-lifts are tough on your body comes from. You can get away with improper squat form without an injury for quite some time, whereas one snatch done incorrectly will probably leave you without rotator cuffs. You really need a coach to work with you on these lifts before your teqnique is solid enough to go balls out.
As for that "vague" definition of strength. That's really what O-lifting in all about. Some bulgarian lifters have been able to C+J as much as they can Squat, and snatch twice what they can Bench. I've learned to love being "sports strong" more than "weight room" strong.
I love O-lifts and will probably never stop doing them. Gets your heartrate up in a hurry too, so it's really good for fat burning.
Shoot me an E-mail and I'll forward you a copy of my program if your intrested. I'll tweak it a little so it's specifically for O-lifting (you won't have to do all the sports specific bullshit that I do...lucky you)
There are few things more satisfying than the sound of dropped olympic plates right after you set a new PR.
Good luck Bro.
FANTASTIC post monkey.. outstanding..
I am very interested, could you shoot me that email to [email protected]?
You bring up a good point about the coaching.. I'll probobly be sticking to an empty bar and focusing on technique for quite some time..
My shoulders have a freaky tendon attachment or something, because I've been able to seated behind the neck military press more then I can benchpress for quite some time.. and do front raises with 60lb dumbells...not sure if that will help in the overhead pressing or not..
Great great post. karma for you. Love reading any more similar anecdotes from you or anyone else about this sport..
And I an definately all about explosiveness and strength in that "every direction" kind of way if you know what I mean.. like bieng able to throw on the boxing gloves and slug it out with your roomate without using any technique
. What I meant is that a lot of the routines I found on the net were geared toward runners that were looking for a strength boost, rather than lifters who are looking to pack on some serious strength without regard to putting on too much weight, loss of flexibility (although I know flexibility is important in the o-lifts)..etc..
twitched
I am very interested, could you shoot me that email to [email protected]?
You bring up a good point about the coaching.. I'll probobly be sticking to an empty bar and focusing on technique for quite some time..
My shoulders have a freaky tendon attachment or something, because I've been able to seated behind the neck military press more then I can benchpress for quite some time.. and do front raises with 60lb dumbells...not sure if that will help in the overhead pressing or not..
Great great post. karma for you. Love reading any more similar anecdotes from you or anyone else about this sport..
And I an definately all about explosiveness and strength in that "every direction" kind of way if you know what I mean.. like bieng able to throw on the boxing gloves and slug it out with your roomate without using any technique
. What I meant is that a lot of the routines I found on the net were geared toward runners that were looking for a strength boost, rather than lifters who are looking to pack on some serious strength without regard to putting on too much weight, loss of flexibility (although I know flexibility is important in the o-lifts)..etc..twitched
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Technique is huge in these lifts so don't expect to look pretty overnight. You will still be able to enjoy them though.
Good luck.
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Technique is huge in these lifts so don't expect to look pretty overnight. You will still be able to enjoy them though.
Good luck.
i compete in olympic lifting. love it, i am waiting though to have hip surgery so I can start competeing at the national level again. for those he like olympic lifting here is a cool video, check it out, pretty cool.
183lbs lifting 470lbs
http://www.pyrros.gr/gallery/video/Pyrros2.mpg
same guy snatching 385lbs
http://www.pyrros.gr/gallery/video/melvourni.mpg
183lbs lifting 470lbs
http://www.pyrros.gr/gallery/video/Pyrros2.mpg
same guy snatching 385lbs
http://www.pyrros.gr/gallery/video/melvourni.mpg
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monkeyballs
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That is how it's done!!!!
That fucker Exploded like keg of dynamite.
He can probably Dunk a basketball even though he's probably really short.
That fucker Exploded like keg of dynamite.
He can probably Dunk a basketball even though he's probably really short.
he is about 5' 9". he is a three time olympic champion. he can now snatch over 400. i have video of a 132 pounder snatching 336lbs and cleaning and jerking 418lbs. but he is only 4'11", those lifts are pound for pound the biggest lifts done in competition. but that video is from 88 olympics, lots of drugs back then, they lifted more back then then do now. but things are so techiniqal now, those lifts are going back up. watch this next olympics, weightlifting will be a big seen at these next olympics.
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monkeyballs
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Was that the guy they called "pocket hercules"?
Go4gold, do you compete in IOC tested events?
Go4gold, do you compete in IOC tested events?
The 132 pounder's name is niem suleymanoglu of turkey( aka The pocket hercules) also a three time olympic champion. the 183 pounder name is pyrros dimas. He is an awsome lifter I also would love to have his build. I have lifted in national competition where they do test, i was never tested but had to sign a paper work allowing them to test me if the wanted( but i also had nothing to worry about cause wasn't on anything., but i also didn't do that great. some amazing kids out there, and when i say kids, i mean like 15 to 18 years old, makes me wonder what they take. I have seen 15 year old kids throw 350 over there head like nothing weighing only 165. there is a kid in poland who at 18 years old and 205 cleaned 517lbs, but missed the jerk. sorry if i keep talking but i can go on about olympic lifting. love it.
anything you want to know about olympic weightlifting , just ask me, know alot about it. an olympic weightlifter is among the most powerful athletes in the world. the top have higher vertical jumps the olympic high jumpers and some can sprint 20 meters faster then olypmic sprinter. such an explosive move, to weight most people can't deadlift that fast and then catch above there head is quite a skill.
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str8manwithadickinhisass
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I've powerlifted for a while but I have to say I have a bit of respect for O lifters. Are there any web sites that discuss technique? I think my body may be too battered already to try olympic lifting. It happens when you get close to 30 
I found this warmup routine to practice
Mike Burgener's Warmup Drill
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*I may have posted this here before, but I thought it might be worth repeating. Is anyone else doing something similar?
This is the warmup sequence Mike teaches to all of his lifters. It reinforces good technique, gets the blood flowing and the joints loosened up. It also serves as an effective and safe drill to help learn the snatch; it can be done several times per day if needed.
Use a 6' PVC pipe ($1.37 at the local hardware store). Use a snatch grip. All steps are done for three reps.
1. Shrug.
Straight arms, hook grip, wrists cocked in, elbows rotated out, squat stance. Try to hit your ears with your shoulders.
2. Shrug + pull.
Like step 1, then pull to chest height. Don't bend arms until shoulders are fully shrugged. Keep the bar in very close to the body. This is a fast move, with no pause between the shrug and the pull.
3. Muscle snatch.
Like step 2, then finish pulling the bar to the overhead position. The bar should end up in line with the back of the ears, with the wrists cocked back.
4. Behind the neck press.
Still using a snatch grip, press from the shoulders where the bar normally sits in a back squat. This is not going to wreck your shoulders; it's only a 4-ounce PVC pipe.
5. Behind the neck push press.
Like step 4, but with a little knee kick. Do NOT go up on toes, kick through the heels.
6. Pressing snatch balance.
Squat stance. Press the bar up as you simultaneously go down into a bottom position overhead squat. With practice, the bar doesn't really move. This is not a quick move.
7. Heaving snatch balance.
Squat stance. Like step 6, but with a little knee kick. This is a quicker move than step 6.
8. Drop snatch.
Move the feet a little closer, into the pulling stance. Use little knee kick like step 7 but drop down into the bottom of the overhead squat position as fast as humanly possible while popping the feet into the squat stance. Minimize air time. Faster. Faster still.
You can also add a step 9 if you wish, snatches from the hang position. The whole sequence flow from one step to the next and should take no more than a minute or two.
Mike Burgener's Warmup Drill
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*I may have posted this here before, but I thought it might be worth repeating. Is anyone else doing something similar?
This is the warmup sequence Mike teaches to all of his lifters. It reinforces good technique, gets the blood flowing and the joints loosened up. It also serves as an effective and safe drill to help learn the snatch; it can be done several times per day if needed.
Use a 6' PVC pipe ($1.37 at the local hardware store). Use a snatch grip. All steps are done for three reps.
1. Shrug.
Straight arms, hook grip, wrists cocked in, elbows rotated out, squat stance. Try to hit your ears with your shoulders.
2. Shrug + pull.
Like step 1, then pull to chest height. Don't bend arms until shoulders are fully shrugged. Keep the bar in very close to the body. This is a fast move, with no pause between the shrug and the pull.
3. Muscle snatch.
Like step 2, then finish pulling the bar to the overhead position. The bar should end up in line with the back of the ears, with the wrists cocked back.
4. Behind the neck press.
Still using a snatch grip, press from the shoulders where the bar normally sits in a back squat. This is not going to wreck your shoulders; it's only a 4-ounce PVC pipe.
5. Behind the neck push press.
Like step 4, but with a little knee kick. Do NOT go up on toes, kick through the heels.
6. Pressing snatch balance.
Squat stance. Press the bar up as you simultaneously go down into a bottom position overhead squat. With practice, the bar doesn't really move. This is not a quick move.
7. Heaving snatch balance.
Squat stance. Like step 6, but with a little knee kick. This is a quicker move than step 6.
8. Drop snatch.
Move the feet a little closer, into the pulling stance. Use little knee kick like step 7 but drop down into the bottom of the overhead squat position as fast as humanly possible while popping the feet into the squat stance. Minimize air time. Faster. Faster still.
You can also add a step 9 if you wish, snatches from the hang position. The whole sequence flow from one step to the next and should take no more than a minute or two.
I strongly disagree with that. An oly gold medalist is a freak with excellent nervous system and huge vertical leap. Rezazadeh, who can generate more force than any guy on the planet, is nothing special to look at, and at 360 lbs is obviously fat. But he has a 6' high bar jump at 5'10" in height. Technique alone won't give you a 212 kilo snatch (tested). You've got to be a freak to do that.
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That's funny, I hold the same opinion of most BBers. I see puffy chests, arms, quads with little hamstring, errector, or hip development and I know they aren't strong - all for show but no balls. Like a porsche with a 150hp engine (only it doesn't brake or handle well either so not a great example)
Any lifter has to be able to pull and squat. There is some technique but you try 500+ front squats and let me know how you feel. Or try pulling 400+ overhead and then squating it up in the snatch position.
Most of these guys keep their weight down by choice. Lifts being equal the decision goes to relative bodyweight. I've seen competitors in the sub 150's who've retired and balooned up to their natural weight of close to 200. They are big and strong. I saw Taimazov from Ukraine at the Atlanta game - that man was a freak and had very solid genetics. The superheavies just have to improve condition. Anyone moving those weights is going to have major muscle.
argent
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Allow me to eloborate. All I was saying is that technique comes first. Most olympic lifters start with lighter weights and perfect their technique. You could be the size of an IFBB bro and not be able to snatch very much at all. Then some guy or girl who is an olympic lifter could match or excede the pros lift. This would be based on technique. I do agree that in the upper eschelons, genetics come into play. But I think twithced was asking if he is going to get smoked in a lower level meet b/c he might question his genetics for the sport.
I do think that a lot of the top lifters in the world do not have the greatest body's. if you saw some of the world champions walking down the street. you would think some of them would have trouble lifting the bar. The pocket hercules is a 4'11 140 lbs man. he is thick, but you wouldn't think he could 420 above his head. olympic lifting takes great Technique, genetics, and a shit load of training. those lifters are incredable. i am strong and when i say strong, i mean deadlift 425 weighing about 150, but now take a guy younger then me( im 23) and have him clean and jerk 450 like it was just a routine thing is amazing. ol lifters are truly great athletes. strength, skill, balance, speed is all needed. it is great to see what one man's burst of energy can do. for those who want to try lifting those lifts. i think it can be for everyone and it is for all ages and sizes. the key is just going through the motions. first learn how to do a proper deep front and back squat, then move on to the clean cause its the easiest of the two lifts and then when you feel ready go to the snatch, i would first start off from blocks when doing the OL lifts. stay light for a long time an slowly add weight over time and when i say time i mean like months, remember the key is just going through the motions. Why do all these little complicated lifts to improve the OL lifts. I really think training should just involve squats( back and front) the olympic lifts and pulls every so often. training should involve lots of sets and little reps in the olympic lifts and moderate sets and reps in the other lifts. this is how the worlds best train. simple is best in my opinion. I love the motions , nothing feels as good as a nice snatch
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Fantastic guys. Thanks.
A question..
This one has really been hanging over my head.. the whole issue of olympic style squatting in general..You seem to squat between your legs, putting your knees far over your toes..A lot of powerlifters (and just about any strength coach) will say that this is really really bad for your knees.. is there any truth to this? I don't want to ruin my knees.. but there must be a way to do it without injury, because pyrros doesn't even wear knee wraps! And with the depth of these squats.. even more possible trauma..Is this negated by the fact that you use a lot lighter weight? (e.g. an o-lifter might need to front squat 500 at most, where a powerlifter of the same weight might need to squat 800 in a meet).
Also.. what happens when you "miss" one of these lifts, can't seem to find any videos of misses..
A question..
This one has really been hanging over my head.. the whole issue of olympic style squatting in general..You seem to squat between your legs, putting your knees far over your toes..A lot of powerlifters (and just about any strength coach) will say that this is really really bad for your knees.. is there any truth to this? I don't want to ruin my knees.. but there must be a way to do it without injury, because pyrros doesn't even wear knee wraps! And with the depth of these squats.. even more possible trauma..Is this negated by the fact that you use a lot lighter weight? (e.g. an o-lifter might need to front squat 500 at most, where a powerlifter of the same weight might need to squat 800 in a meet).
Also.. what happens when you "miss" one of these lifts, can't seem to find any videos of misses..
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Squatting full is the only way to squat. Go to www.ironmind.com and buy his training hall or competition videos. the training hall videos show some great squats, ie an 85 kg lifter front squatting 280kg. It's awesome. Email me if you want to buy the videos on VCD.
Nico
Nico
I've seen 77kg lifter back squat 290kg for a double like nothing. ol lifting does involve your knees getting in front of your toes, but i feel with with proper training,. it shouldn't be a problem. just listen to your body. as far a missing a lift, not a big deal, just go where the weight doesn't. not many of the best miss cause it is so routine to them. nico is right though, ironmind has some cool videos u might want to check out. i have video of a 94kg lifter 18 year old kid clean 517, but missed the jerk. that weight would have been a new world record, but the kid still holds the old one of a 512 c + j( what a shame, yeah right)
