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Any GH users gotten gyno or symptoms from GH and hightend IGF-1?

SOLID

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I'm so in a rut with what to do. I was thinking of test, primo, eq, but I told myself last time I ran test I would never do it again. For some reason the shit fucks with me and I start getting gyno symptoms, plus I don't like the bloat. I wanna stay lean and put on quality muscle. I don't want to be a huge bodybuilder, just very muscular and fit. I'm mabey thinking of trying GH, say GH, EQ, Primo...and stay on the GH for awhile after the EQ, Primo runs out. I just want to stay away from gyno and puffy nips and shit. What do you all think? Help me figure this out, thanks.
 
I havent used GH, before. If your talking about previously, with test, yes 1mg of Liquidex ED.
 
SOLID said:
I havent used GH, before. If your talking about previously, with test, yes 1mg of Liquidex ED.
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That sounds F**ked up! I always say if I were using test and an anti-aromatase, I would continue taking Nolvadex also as a precaution. Until now, I only use test while taking an anabolic -- e.g., deca, eq, winny -- to prevent loss of libido. So, I've never used an anti-aromatase but have no problems with gyno -- thank God -- while taking Nolvadex. Has anyone ever had Liquidex tested??? BTW, I've used up to 9 i.u. per day of Serostim with Deca 600mg and EQ 400 mg per week and test suspension intermittently with nolvadex and no gyno symptoms at all.
 
BBkingpin said:


That sounds F**ked up! I always say if I were using test and an anti-aromatase, I would continue taking Nolvadex also as a precaution. Until now, I only use test while taking an anabolic -- e.g., deca, eq, winny -- to prevent loss of libido. So, I've never used an anti-aromatase but have no problems with gyno -- thank God -- while taking Nolvadex. Has anyone ever had Liquidex tested??? BTW, I've used up to 9 i.u. per day of Serostim with Deca 600mg and EQ 400 mg per week and test suspension intermittently with nolvadex and no gyno symptoms at all.
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wanna hear what's even more fucked up. I was doing a little experiment running bromo, 40mg of Nolva + 1mg of Liquidex per day and got no symptoms but got puffy nips and a little lump!:mad:
 
Correct me if I'm wrong -- gyno is the result of the estrogen from certain AS (and not using anti-e's). GH shouldn't create gyno because its not estrogen. Same way I shouldn't grow a dick if I use it. Following the idea of using growth hormone replacement -- if you did doses that equal what would be the equivalent of the amount of naturally produced growth hormone, say when you are in your prime, like 21 yrs old -- you would have smoother skin, heal faster, probably drop bf faster than you would as you get older (when you produce less natural growth hormone, resulting in weaker bones, and all the other shit that comes w/ age). So you didn't get gyno at your prime (I don't know your age) so you shouldn't get it from a synthetic source now.
 
Sassy69 said:
Correct me if I'm wrong -- gyno is the result of the estrogen from certain AS (and not using anti-e's). GH shouldn't create gyno because its not estrogen. Same way I shouldn't grow a dick if I use it. Following the idea of using growth hormone replacement -- if you did doses that equal what would be the equivalent of the amount of naturally produced growth hormone, say when you are in your prime, like 21 yrs old -- you would have smoother skin, heal faster, probably drop bf faster than you would as you get older (when you produce less natural growth hormone, resulting in weaker bones, and all the other shit that comes w/ age). So you didn't get gyno at your prime (I don't know your age) so you shouldn't get it from a synthetic source now.
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ummm..k. Well I'm 24 and I've heard that a heightened IGF-1 level can cause gyno..and not just estrogen similar to progesterone I guess. I'm kinda confused on your post and what your getting at, but I do appreciate the feedback.

SOLID
 
If your not looking to get bodybuilder big, and just muscular, I dont see a problem with running EQ/Primo...Fina and Var or Winny would give that cycle a kick in the ass.

I know you mentioned gyno, and Fina has some rep for causing Prolactin induced gyno, but I beleive that so long as you keep estrogen in control, prolactin gyno isnt an issue.

Try EQ/Primo/Fina/Var with some Provirion to keep circulating Estro in check. Throwin in some GH would do you well if you wanna get shredded.
 
I believe the medical literature states that hGH can lead to gyno. But they do not know why and my Doctor who is Yale-educated and very smart said that there are lots of hormones that they haven't even discovered or that they do not understand their function. All I know is that Nolvadex works very well for me. Thank God! And since it is supposed to be most effective at binding and competing with estrogen in the breast tissue, I would never substitute it with an anti-aromatase but maybe only add an anti-aromatase with Nolva to see how it makes a difference. Nolva is cheap and available. Real Arimidex is VERY expensive. I can handle a little water retention so long as I do not get gyno. So, I'll stick with Nolvadex. And I don't know how SOLID got gyno while taking Nolva and L-dex. I would think that 40mg of Nolva alone would've done the trick. I already asked this, but has anyone ever tested L-dex to see if it is real?
 
This if particular interest to me. I'm on my 5th cycle of Test E 500mg/wk, EQ 400mg/wk, Winny 50mg wk 1 - 4 and GH 2IU 6 days on 1 day off wk 1 - 14. I was also on 1mg ED Liqudex and 50mg Proviron. After about 2 weeks, I noticed tender nipples and pea-size lumps underneath the areolas. I have never had gyno before even at Test 750mg/wk and Fina 70mg ED. I started Nolvadex at 40mg/day but it's been about 11 days and my nipples are still slightly tender.

I have been trying to figure out what could have caused gyno this time around and even though I have completely stopped Test ( continuing with EQ 40mg/wk & 300mg Primo). After reading this post, I'm wondering if GH could possibly be causing it. I was about to up my GH dose to 4IU from today but now I'm not sure if I should. Can anyone explain if GH can in fact cause gyno?
 
getgo said:
This if particular interest to me. I'm on my 5th cycle of Test E 500mg/wk, EQ 400mg/wk, Winny 50mg wk 1 - 4 and GH 2IU 6 days on 1 day off wk 1 - 14. I was also on 1mg ED Liqudex and 50mg Proviron. After about 2 weeks, I noticed tender nipples and pea-size lumps underneath the areolas. I have never had gyno before even at Test 750mg/wk and Fina 70mg ED. I started Nolvadex at 40mg/day but it's been about 11 days and my nipples are still slightly tender.

I have been trying to figure out what could have caused gyno this time around and even though I have completely stopped Test ( continuing with EQ 40mg/wk & 300mg Primo). After reading this post, I'm wondering if GH could possibly be causing it. I was about to up my GH dose to 4IU from today but now I'm not sure if I should. Can anyone explain if GH can in fact cause gyno?
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high levels of IGF-1 bro. Where's the guru's on this one...
 
Hey Solid - I posted this on another board and this is one of the replies I got....

Yes absolutely it GH can and will cause gyno in some people!
I used it for a long time for like a year staight. Then the next time I got it while just bridging with GH alone (all real gh).
My opinion on gyno is;once you gete it you are always more succeptable to it.

I think the main culprit in GH induced gyno is IGF-1 & maybe 2. Anti-aromatase arimidex nor aromasin did shit to counter. In the case of gyno from GH clomid helped more. I would imagine form just blocking the receptors and. I've never tried nolavadex but imagine it would work as well or better though slightly negating the GH's growth properties.

I had my gyno removed and am still sensetive as hell to even test if I don't use anti-aromatase's.
All the shit about itch nipples and warning signs are bullshit!
Sometimes a person will get a warning and sometimes the shit just creeps up on you.
Sometimes you don't know you have hormonal resistent breast tissue fat(not the glandular tissue) until you diet down and the shit just won't go away. Gyno can be a 2 fold happening. Some people just get glandular swelling, others breast fat accumulation, while some get both.
Another reason people tend to notice gyno in the area of too much breast fat tissue is they do cycles where they cut calories at the same time they're cutting out the juice. This leave the testo to estro in favor of estrogen at the same time muscle loss is occuring. So post cycle gyno kicks in.
Make take/my experince/ my friends & aquaintances who've juiced and do juice.

My questions is:

1. On the assumption that it is GH induced gyno, should I stop taking GH? Right now my nipples are only slighty tender and don't look any different just that I can feel small lumps under the areolas.
 
SOLID said:
bump, I'm with BB...has anyone had it tested?
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the shit needs to be.. i used it with my last test cycle and i was bloated and had gyno out the ass, i was using up to like 3-4 mg at one point just to stop the shit.. never did work.. then i went to arimidex and nolva and the gyno slowly progressed away.. ill never buy l-dex again...:)
 
hitmeoff said:
I would think Nolva would do the trick since Nolve decreases IGF-1 production.
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thats not what your looking for if your on gh.. gh and nolvadex doesnt go togethor too well..
 
Spidey said:
Please clarify. WHY doesn't Nolva and GH go together well?

-Spidey
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I think he means:

1. Taking GH will cause a rise in GH and a concurrent rise in IGF-1

2. Novaldex reduces IGF-1 levels

By taking Novaldex with the GH, you are reducing its effectiveness.

Problems:

1. It is impossible to predict the rise in IGF-1 caused by the GH.

This is extremely individualized.

Now, you get tender nipples from GH?

Then use novaldex. It'll block ther rise in IGF-1 to a degree and more than likely eliminate the tenderness in the nipple area.
This obviously at the expense of some anabolic effects.

You can also use arimidex. Allthough anastrozole will cause a smaller decrease in IGF-1 than novaldex will.

Trial and error really.

In order of resulting IGF-1 decrease:

1. Novaldex
2. Anastrozole
3. Letrozole

Use the one you can get away with.

Fonz
 
Fonz said:


I think he means:

1. Taking GH will cause a rise in GH and a concurrent rise in IGF-1

2. Novaldex reduces IGF-1 levels

By taking Novaldex with the GH, you are reducing its effectiveness.

Problems:

1. It is impossible to predict the rise in IGF-1 caused by the GH.

This is extremely individualized.

Now, you get tender nipples from GH?

Then use novaldex. It'll block ther rise in IGF-1 to a degree and more than likely eliminate the tenderness in the nipple area.
This obviously at the expense of some anabolic effects.

You can also use arimidex. Allthough anastrozole will cause a smaller decrease in IGF-1 than novaldex will.

Trial and error really.

In order of resulting IGF-1 decrease:

1. Novaldex
2. Anastrozole
3. Letrozole

Use the one you can get away with.

Fonz
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Thanks. I am beginning to think my recent bout with gyno may have been caused by the GH I am taking. I never got anything more than slightly tender nipples on cycle and the tenderness went away within a few days of the end of my cycle. Five weeks after my cycle, I began to take GH at 4 iu's a day and 5 weeks later, Presto, I have gyno.

I had a big thread on my problem a week or two ago and everyone was saying it was the tren in my cycle that must have upregulated estrogen receptors in my breast tissue but if that were the case, why would have my tenderness disappeared entirely within days after my cycle only to reappear as full blown gyno 10 weeks later?

Anyway, I have been taking Nolvadex at 20 mg ed for about a week and my symptoms have decreased. The lumps are gone and my nipples are only slightly tender at this point. Another week and I think it will be gone. I have ordered some arimidex and will switch off to that when it comes. Maybe it will go away by the time I had wanted to start my next cycle (Jan 20). I hope so. If not I guess I'll just have to wait:( .
 
Fonz said:


I think he means:

1. Taking GH will cause a rise in GH and a concurrent rise in IGF-1

2. Novaldex reduces IGF-1 levels

By taking Novaldex with the GH, you are reducing its effectiveness.

Problems:

1. It is impossible to predict the rise in IGF-1 caused by the GH.

This is extremely individualized.

Now, you get tender nipples from GH?

Then use novaldex. It'll block ther rise in IGF-1 to a degree and more than likely eliminate the tenderness in the nipple area.
This obviously at the expense of some anabolic effects.

You can also use arimidex. Allthough anastrozole will cause a smaller decrease in IGF-1 than novaldex will.

Trial and error really.

In order of resulting IGF-1 decrease:

1. Novaldex
2. Anastrozole
3. Letrozole

Use the one you can get away with.

Fonz
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Damn...learn something everyday here. Great clear concise answer Fonz.:)
 
Solid - I can't remember if I talked to you about this the other day or not. But here it goes.

On my 3rd day of GH 2iu/ED and I already started getting the hand cramps and muscle cramps. Also, my left nip started getting tender. This is strange to me as my preexisting gyno is in my right nip. Anyway, I'm about 8 weeks into my cycle so I know it's not that. Just all of a sudden my left nip started kinda hurting and itching. I bumped my Nolvadex from 20mg to 40mg and so far haven't noticed anything the last 2 days. Today was my 7th day on it. I'll continue to monitor and see what happens.

I just can't believe I'm feeling the effects in such a short time. A friend of mine is on the same kind (Genentech Nutropin) and he told me he could feel it within the first few days. I didn't believe him until I started it.
 
mv, that sucks bro...:mad: So, are you just taking Nolva right now or still on aromasin? Other than the gyno symtoms how are you liking the GH thus far? Keep me posted on this one, I want to hear what kind of results you acheive. Good luck bro.
 
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