Any comments on my next Cycle

[drveejay11]

My proposed cycle:

1-4 Russian D-bol 30 mg/day
1-15 150 mg EOD Test Prop
1-13 Fort Dodge EQ 500mg/week
1-15 50 mg Scherring Proviron
3-12 Loeffer Var 40 mg/day (maybe winny instead?)

What do you think? (light-bulker...lean mass gainer)

Stats:
5' 11
203
~9.5-10.5%

Goals:
215
9%

 

[thate]

Looks good, but why the proviron?

 

[Mike P.T.]

I like it. Shit run the d-bol longer though. It's not all that bad. Run it 15-20mg for the whole cycle even. I can see it now. OMG!!! Mike P.T. is recommending him to do an oral c-17 alkylated for over 4-5 weeks. He is insane!! Yawn. Run it longer and you will get all the good benefits d-bol has to offer in the long run.

Goals should be 220 - 9% bf. Your bodyfat percentage in regards to your overall bodyweight naturally goes down if you maintain your current bf% while gaining lean muscle anyway.

 

[drveejay11]

For me, it's the perfect anti-E

Lowered SHBG ("free test"=better results on lowered doses)
Anti-E (bloating/excessive estrogen)
Cholesterol levels maintained (not as bad as the "biggies")

I believe you need "some" estrogen, so complete suppession is not for me (Femara/A-dex/araoma).

I also don't want to use N-dex or Clomid during cycle because of the supposed Igf-1 lowering effect.

 

[drveejay11]

I like it. Shit run the d-bol longer though. It's not all that bad. Run it 15-20mg for the whole cycle even. I can see it now. OMG!!! Mike P.T. is recommending him to do an oral c-17 alkylated for over 4-5 weeks. He is insane!! Yawn. Run it longer and you will get all the good benefits d-bol has to offer in the long run.

Holy s#ht bro, are you telling me to run 17-aa's for over 5 weeks? LOL.........You're insane!!!!!!!!!

 

[drveejay11]

Goals should be 220 - 9% bf. Your bodyfat percentage in regards to your overall bodyweight naturally goes down if you maintain your current bf% while gaining lean muscle anyway.

G-R-E-A-T Point bro! Thanks

 

[drveejay11]

Looks good, but why the proviron?

http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=198075&highlight=Proviron

 

[Ulter]

I think it looks great. That Fort Dodge is a real Blast from the Past. You'll be hungry as all hell. Use the winny the first half and the var the second half or vice-versa. A simple thing like switching from dbol to winny to var will keep your gains coming steadly over 15 weeks.
Take a few shots of HCG in 9 and at the end.

 

[manny78]

My thoughts:

Your cycle is too long IMO. 8 weeks would be enough.

I would also drop the dbols, and just go with anavar. 12 weeks of orals and 70 mg of 17aa on week 3-4 seems too much for me.

 

[drveejay11]

Use the winny the first half and the var the second half or vice-versa. A simple thing like switching from dbol to winny to var will keep your gains coming steadly over 15 weeks.
Take a few shots of HCG in 9 and at the end.

Interesting thoughts.to consider........hmmmmmmmmmm

 

[lawnsaver]

I would change things up a tad:

Week 1 to 15: 50mg of proviron
Week 1 to 10: 500mg of Enantate
Week 1 to 12: 500mg of EQ
Week 1 to 5: 25mg of D-bol
Week 5 to 15: 40mg of Var or 50mg of Winny ED
Week 11 to 15: 150mg of prop
Week 7 to 8: 500ius of HCG ed
Week 14 to 15: 500ius HCG ED
Week 16 to 18: clomid therapy

Supps: 1.5grmas of ALA ED, 3 grams of EFA's, 2-3grams of Nettle Root, and Protien...Protien... and more protien...oh yeah and some carbs!

 

[drveejay11]

I would change things up a tad:

Week 1 to 15: 50mg of proviron
Week 1 to 10: 500mg of Enantate
Week 1 to 12: 500mg of EQ
Week 1 to 5: 25mg of D-bol
Week 5 to 15: 40mg of Var or 50mg of Winny ED
Week 11 to 15: 150mg of prop
Week 7 to 8: 500ius of HCG ed
Week 14 to 15: 500ius HCG ED
Week 16 to 18: clomid therapy

Supps: 1.5grmas of ALA ED, 3 grams of EFA's, 2-3grams of Nettle Root, and Protien...Protien... and more protien...oh yeah and some carbs!

Thanx LS: I like the Prop vs the enth d/t the higher free test amounts in the fast acting esters. I like the HCG idea too.

 

[mvmaxx]

I like Lawnsaver's cycle. The only thing I'd be concerned about is the 50mg concentration of the Fort Dodge EQ. Cause at 500mg that's 10cc's per week. You'd have to inject over 2cc's EOD or an odd amount ED. If you do EOD then you're looking at 3cc's with the test prop and I know I won't do over 2cc's anywhere but my glutes. I've done up to 2cc's in my tri's and delts but don't want to go any higher.

I respect the fact you're trying to go human grade, especially with everything that we've experienced lately. And you and I have had our share of fun with that. But wait till some of these underground products such as LFC gets lab tested. That way you're dealing with 200mg/ml instead of 50.

 

[drveejay11]

I like Lawnsaver's cycle. The only thing I'd be concerned about is the 50mg concentration of the Fort Dodge EQ. Cause at 500mg that's 10cc's per week. You'd have to inject over 2cc's EOD or an odd amount ED. If you do EOD then you're looking at 3cc's with the test prop and I know I won't do over 2cc's anywhere but my glutes. I've done up to 2cc's in my tri's and delts but don't want to go any higher.

I respect the fact you're trying to go human grade, especially with everything that we've experienced lately. And you and I have had our share of fun with that. But wait till some of these underground products such as LFC gets lab tested. That way you're dealing with 200mg/ml instead of 50.

Good input Max

 

[lawnsaver]

MV, there is no such thing as Human grade EQ! It a Vet steroid. Although Fort D has awsome quality, it is still vet gear.

 

[40butpumpin]

I would change things up a tad:

Week 1 to 15: 50mg of proviron
Week 1 to 10: 500mg of Enantate
Week 1 to 12: 500mg of EQ
Week 1 to 5: 25mg of D-bol
Week 5 to 15: 40mg of Var or 50mg of Winny ED
Week 11 to 15: 150mg of prop
Week 7 to 8: 500ius of HCG ed
Week 14 to 15: 500ius HCG ED
Week 16 to 18: clomid therapy

Supps: 1.5grmas of ALA ED, 3 grams of EFA's, 2-3grams of Nettle Root, and Protien...Protien... and more protien...oh yeah and some carbs!

I like this too, but I think I'd use the winny from 11-15 with the prop only, that long on winny will be hard on your lipid levels, especially HDL. Do you even need the var? With the prop/winny combo at the end you'll harden up like a champ. It's a little long but man that should produce some wicked results. Good luck with it.

 

[mvmaxx]

MV, there is no such thing as Human grade EQ! It a Vet steroid. Although Fort D has awsome quality, it is still vet gear.

I understand EQ is a "vet" steroid but I was more referring to the fact that DJ is interested in getting a new underground EQ product and I think he should wait until everything has been tested before buying another "underground" product. DJ and I have been through the ringer with these "underground" products. Underdosed var, fake var, etc, etc. Lots of wasted money. That's all my point was referring to. Somewhat of an inside thing I guess.

 

[SOLID]

My proposed cycle:

1-4 Russian D-bol 30 mg/day
1-15 150 mg EOD Test Prop
1-13 Fort Dodge EQ 500mg/week
1-15 50 mg Scherring Proviron
3-12 Loeffer Var 40 mg/day (maybe winny instead?)

What do you think? (light-bulker...lean mass gainer)

Stats:
5' 11
203
~9.5-10.5%

Goals:
215
9%

Looks good brother, going to gain some nice mass with that one. Var will be spendy, but hey so will Winny, I'd go with the Var.

 

[mvmaxx]

DJ, I think you need to convince Solid to make another trip down south to pick up some Denkall var for the two of us. ...the greedy bastard

Be forceful.

 

[drveejay11]

Do you even need the var?

Thanks for the input 40.

Re-read my proposed cycle though: I said I was going to do winny OR var. I was trying to decide between the two! NOT do both.

Thanks bro.

 

[40butpumpin]

Thanks for the input 40.

Re-read my proposed cycle though: I said I was going to do winny OR var. I was trying to decide between the two! NOT do both.

Thanks bro.

Sure bro, I don't know what I was thinking to be honest, I can't remember what made me say that. Oh well, all the best with it nonetheless!