Any Big Guy diets???

[CongoJoe]

Can you big guys post some cutting diets....... im not talking anyone who wieghs 220 or less. im talking about anyone around 250 or so. im carrying a lot of muscle at 6'4 265 pounds, but i have fat that hides it. im trying to drop the 30 pounds that i gained while out from injury.im looking for cutting diets to help out. heres a program i started

5am-cardio 45 min bike or incline treadmill

7am-2 scoops designer protien

9 am-tuna or 1 chicken breast in tortilla/or raisin bran w.skim milk

12pm-myoplex

3:00pm-tuna or chicken with brown rice and brocolli

lift at 5:30

myoplex after lift

8:30 1 chicken breast with brocolli

2 scoops designer protein before bed and 1 tbsp peanut butter...around 11 or so.

and sometimes i wake up around 2 am and have 1 scoop of designer protien.


can anyone help???

 

[6 Pack Man]

I don't weigh near that much, but if cutting, just cut about 200-300 cals from your maintenance level and you'll drop body fat. I'm not going to get to specific in what you need/don't need b/c I don't meet your weight qualifications, but to lose body fat you need to eat less cals, more so from carbs.

 

[barnidge]

6Pack can you go over what is Maintenance Calories Level(the formula for finding it)?
All your recent post have been most helpful!

 

[6 Pack Man]

6Pack can you go over what is Maintenance Calories Level(the formula for finding it)?
All your recent post have been most helpful!

Everybody's maintenance calorie level is different. Too many things to into play. LBM, metabolism, type of food that you are taking in, and so on. Eat high protein, med carbs, and med fat I've found my maintenance level to be around 2,500, give and take a few. right now I'm cutting so I'm taking in around 2,100, which I have seen great results in losing my extra body fat I obtained while bulking. I'm actually thinking about bumping my cals up due to not waning to lose muscle mass while cutting. The best way to find your maintenance level is work out a diet plan and stick with it for about a month, count all protein, fat, carbs, and cals and keep track, I actually keep a journal, so this has helped me out a lot. If your are gaining body fat (not weight, never go by weight, too many factors play in weight) then drop about 200-300 cals a day. Of if you are losing weight, but also muscle, bump your cals up about 200-300 a day. It may take some time to master this, but once you do, you'll know exactly what your body can handle to cut/maintain/bulk.

 

[diamonddiceclay]

you have too many shakes in the diet-eat fish or turkey instead-also cut out cereal,milk,pnut butter

 

[CongoJoe]

at times its hard to eat that much food. and besides wouldnt eating all that food turn into fat somehow? isnt the shake supposed to help with fat loss? and what should i do for fat intake?

 

[6 Pack Man]

at times its hard to eat that much food. and besides wouldnt eating all that food turn into fat somehow? isnt the shake supposed to help with fat loss? and what should i do for fat intake?

Food and shakes both have calories, which if you over eat, will turn to fat. For fat intake use flaxseed oil, peanuts, fats from meat in moderation (for hormones), olive oil, you get the idea.. No shake is not supposed to help with fat loss. Shake is a supplement and to be used as a supplement only, not a meal replacement.

 

[110%]

i agree with 6 pack man on the shakes, though y did u say it isnt a meal replacemtn, i consider a protein shake to be a meal. lets say you have 2 scoops protein, isnt this just like the same thing as a chicken breast, why dont u consider it a meal? just my opinion

 

[diamonddiceclay]

A MEAL=EATING SOMETHING. a SHAKE=DRINKING SOMETHING.

 

[NateDogg]

A MEAL=EATING SOMETHING. a SHAKE=DRINKING SOMETHING.

So, if you cook eggs and eat them, they are a meal, if you put them in a blender and make a shake out of them, they suddenly turn into NOT A MEAL! Or oatmeal, if you eat oatmeal, then it is a meal, if you put it in a shake, MAGICALLY NOT A MEAL

ND

 

[110%]

A MEAL=EATING SOMETHING. a SHAKE=DRINKING SOMETHING.

now that i totally do not agree wiht, so your saying while i am cutting i can go out each night and drink 12 beers b/c it is drinking something, i dont need to worry about the nutritional info cuz that doesnt count. sorry man i dont agree wiht that statement at all.

 

[6 Pack Man]

OK, to stop any unnecessary flaming on the meal/shake stuff, if you want to include the shake as a meal, then use it as a meal. I will personally use it as a supplement b/c that what it is. The protein is too fast digesting, so that's why it's a bad choice to use as a meal. But do whatcha gotta do to get your protein..

 

[NateDogg]

. I will personally use it as a supplement b/c that what it is. The protein is too fast digesting, so that's why it's a bad choice to use as a meal. But do whatcha gotta do to get your protein..

Ok, not flaming, but are you saying that you eat real food 5 or 6 times a day and have shakes?

ND

 

[6 Pack Man]

Ok, not flaming, but are you saying that you eat real food 5 or 6 times a day and have shakes?

ND

I eat 6 real meals a day, and 1 shake post workout, which is actually 2 servings of my protein powder. I then will also add 1 scoop of protein powder to my oatmeal, but I do this for flavoring b/c I'm about sick of plain oatmeal. But the added protein doesn't hurt either.

 

[NateDogg]

6 pack...

Gotcha, thanks.

ND

 

[gymrat]

A MEAL=EATING SOMETHING. a SHAKE=DRINKING SOMETHING.

so by your logic, drinking a Macdonalds milk shake isn't a meal.... come on.

 

[impakt]

Lets be honest here, 1 tin of tuna has about 35grams of protein in it, one protein shake of say 75 grams of whey has 75grams of protein... BUT... I bet my life that you will see more gains from the Tuna than the shake.

Try getting 250 grams of protein a day from food as opposed to 400 grams a day from shakes, you see better gains from the food - simple fact, well for me anyway, I've done it several times.

Shakes just go through you, there is no replacement for real food. 18 eggs a day, 4 tins of tuna a day (200gram tins), 3 chicken breasts a day and you are growing. All these shakes just go in one end and out the other in my opinion. All the advertising is hype and bullshit, I have stopped drinking shakes, period, I just get my protein from food and I am growing faster than when I spent $100 a week on whey. Only supplements I take are creatine and vitamins/minerals.

Pete

 

[NateDogg]

I spent $100 a week on whey.
Pete

Dude, what kind of whey were you using? Is it possible to eat that much in a week? I just ordered 10lbs for 50 bucks, so you were eating about 20 lbs a week, HOLY SHIT! I believe that there is a happy medium, do not get 400 grams from shakes and none from real food, try 350 from food and 50 from a postworkout shake or something like that.

ND

 

[CongoJoe]

Shakes just go through you, there is no replacement for real food. 18 eggs a day, 4 tins of tuna a day (200gram tins), 3 chicken breasts a day and you are growing. All these shakes just go in one end and out the other in my opinion. .

Pete

even if my main goal here is to drop body fat, eating like this would be ok for me?

 

[impakt]

NateDogg, I live in the UK, here Prolab Whey is £29.99 for 2lb, thats about $45. I'm just speaking as I find, maybe others have had better results with Whey, I just find real food to be far better.

CongoJoe, for me reducing carbs and doing 3 x 45mins of cardio a week helps me lose fat as well as ephedrine/caffeine and aspirin. You will need to workout your best calorie intake and alter carbs. If you are getting weak in the gym then add some more carbs on training days, its trial and error. Personally I wouldn't try reducing bodyfat without using some gear, even 400mg Deca weekly will help prevent muscle loss.

Pete

 

[CongoJoe]

Personally I wouldn't try reducing bodyfat without using some gear, even 400mg Deca weekly will help prevent muscle loss.

Pete

Now if i lived out there in the U.K. maybe you and i could share some of that deca huh. but since i dont....i trust no one where i live at.

 

[bmjaa]

Can you big guys post some cutting diets....... im not talking anyone who wieghs 220 or less. im talking about anyone around 250 or so. im carrying a lot of muscle at 6'4 265 pounds, but i have fat that hides it. im trying to drop the 30 pounds that i gained while out from injury.im looking for cutting diets to help out. heres a program i started

5am-cardio 45 min bike or incline treadmill

7am-2 scoops designer protien

9 am-tuna or 1 chicken breast in tortilla/or raisin bran w.skim milk

12pm-myoplex

3:00pm-tuna or chicken with brown rice and brocolli

lift at 5:30

myoplex after lift

8:30 1 chicken breast with brocolli

2 scoops designer protein before bed and 1 tbsp peanut butter...around 11 or so.

and sometimes i wake up around 2 am and have 1 scoop of designer protien.


can anyone help???

What are the macro-nutrient totals? What is your LBM or bf%?

I went from 294 to 230(so far) in 9 months with a cyclical Keto-style diet... (ie. one high carb day per week to replenesh). Lots of morning cardio, ECA and 20 rep squats and deadlifts... The compound movements are very anabolic and raise you base metabolic rate all day....

good luck...

 

[FitnessFrk]

once protein is delivered to the stomach and is metabolized, the body could give a rats ass what the source of the protein is.

Congo...there is nothing wrong with using shakes as meals, but I suggest using only low fat or fat free milk. I am not sure what types of protein are in the Myoplex, but I know it contains blended substrates which means the different proteins will be metabolized at different rates. that is what you want in a protein drink (any except the whey only drink after training).