Antiestrogens

[riskybizz007]

I've been hearing about these herbal Antiestrogens like DIM, and Molecular Nutrition's new anti-E, etc.

Are any of these any good, I had Chrysin but read it had no effects in lowering estrogen when it was tested.

 

[riskybizz007]

I'm starting to feel like High Intensity...

 

[growin']

Vitex, I think is supposed to lower prolcatin levels. What ever the case, I know both Suspension and I have been impressed with its abilities to tighten up the body. It seems to reduce water retentio while at the same time, hardens up the chest. Good stuff, and cheap.

Other than that, I think anything close to DHT (1AD, 1-Test, or 3-alpha) would have similar characteristics as far as not causing estrogen related problems. Whether they lower estrogen I don't know.

 

[riskybizz007]

I forgot about Vitex... I was just reading about Molecular Nutrition's antiestrogen, seems very promising. And they have some charts and results indicating it does really work.

I did a little reading on M, Benzi told me about it, it's Biotests anti-Estrogen, but nothing really solid backing it up IMO.

I'll keep reading and bumpin for more info.

 

[HighIntensity]

thanks risky...im going to pick up some Vitex

 

[riskybizz007]

Has Vitex been proven to increase LH and increase testosterone production????

 

[NitroCBR]

Does Vitex reduce estrogen in chest area ?

Also, where would I find the best deal on Vitex ?

Thanks

 

[riskybizz007]

bump for help

 

[Triple J]

This is suppose to be like the DHT derivitives, it is called viratase. Maybe it has been discussed before, but I just found out about it.

http://www.undergroundsports.com/viratase.htm

 

[riskybizz007]

Out of all the antiestrogens i've read, this one seems the most promising.

I read that Vitex is only good if prolactin levels are high and does nothing for estrogen increase. And it only increases test by lowering prolactin levels. That's why it would be ideal if using tren, but not other stuff that converts to estrogen.

 

[ctbuffguy]

risky-

what about using with dbol?

 

[growin']

Dbol raises estrogen, not prolactin or progesterone.

 

[ctbuffguy]

growin'

so then wouldn't you need an anti-e supp? like bill l's new product?

 

[growin']

If you're gonna use dbol, get some arimidex. Dbol is potent, I wouldn't trust a supp enough to handle dbol's ability to jack up estrogen.

 

[knekt]

what's vitex?

If you are on test, and there are no anti-e like arimidex, nolva, etc. left in the world, what herbal anti-e would you go for?

 

[PlateheadJim]

Good Anit-E's

Ok, I'm not going to post a long article on this as several have posted good papers on the Anti-E's I'm listing below. These are my experiences:

Clomid - At 200mg per day and above over 30 days it has an AMAZING effect on T levels. Obviously at lower doses it is a very effective E blocker preventing Gyno/etc but does nothing for water retention.

Nolvadex - Similar to clomid. At 40mg a day I notice good T stimulating effects and 20mg a day can stop Gyno and prevent some water retention.

Armidex - Have never tried it.

Armomastat - Noticed 2 things of interest - hardening up and I could piss better. It also seems to have an effect on reducing 5a DHT.

6-OXO - What the hell - I tried it at two bottles per 3 weeks (pricey at 31 per bottle) but was impressed. I would imagine the effects I encountered where similar to Armidex (but I wouldn't know for sure). I hardened up, oiled up and felt natural T kicking in within a week. Water retention was nill and at 6 pills per day I even noticed a little hormonal "voice cracking." For a supp I was impressed.

Vitex - Good post Tren cycle, saved my ass a few times. Seems to work at high doses for short periods of time (2 weeks) and then does nothing. Usually I'll lose a little water as well.

"M" - Nothing more the Vitex with Calcium ... shit I can't remember... Anyway you can buy the ingredients cheaper seperate and is not that impressive anyway. Biotest should have had thier ass kicked to suggest it may be a replacement for Clomid.