Anti-inflammatories and AAS

[Juice Authority]

Does anyone ever use these while on a cycle to reduce inflammation? Do they hinder gains?

 

[Juice Authority]

^^^

 

[Zyglamail]

Why do you want to reduce inflamation? Its critical for healing. Additionally most are very hard on the liver. I have not used an anti-inflamatory in well over a year and im an old fart.

 

[ripper911]

i use to use them for my shoulder it relieved my pain during workouts but it only masks the problem resulting in further injury.

 

[Juice Authority]

Why do you want to reduce inflamation? Its critical for healing. Additionally most are very hard on the liver. I have not used an anti-inflamatory in well over a year and im an old fart.

Swelling in lower back I get from squats and deadlifts. A lot of it has to do with the D-bol I'm on.

 

[geoffgarst]

Aleve / Ibuprofen - they are not hard on the liver. Tylenol is hard on the liver. Aleve / Ibuprofen are NSAIDs (non-steroid anti inflammatory drugs) and can be hard on the stomach, if you are prone to ulcers or have had ulcers in the past. They have no effect on Test and should not hinder any gains. Many pro atheletes that use test, also use aleve or ibuprofen for soreness and inflammation. If you have inflammation such as a shoulder injury, the quicker you can get rid of the inflammation, the quicker you recover.

Aleve is 200mg each tablet, but you can take 2-3 tablets since they are the same as Naprosyn 500mg.

Ibuprofen is in 200mg tablets and you can take up to 800mg (4 tablets) at one time. 800mg Ibuprofen is actually prescription, so 4 tabs would equal the same.

Hope this helps and karma is always welcome.

 

[2Thick]

I only use them after an injury.

 

[geoffgarst]

One last note...of which may be of interest.

Evidence is building that the common pain relievers known as nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs) may reduce the risk for Alzheimer's disease by nearly 50%. At this time, those most strongly associated for protection include ibuprofen (Advil, Motrin) and the prescription NSAIDs sulindac (Clinoril) and indomethacin (Indocin). These agents have properties that prevent beta amyloid accumulation in the brain.

 

[Juice Authority]

One last note...of which may be of interest.

Evidence is building that the common pain relievers known as nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs) may reduce the risk for Alzheimer's disease by nearly 50%. At this time, those most strongly associated for protection include ibuprofen (Advil, Motrin) and the prescription NSAIDs sulindac (Clinoril) and indomethacin (Indocin). These agents have properties that prevent beta amyloid accumulation in the brain.

What I want to know is whether or not anti-inflammatories hinder gains. That's all I care about. I honestly could care less about liver toxicity at this point. If everyone has any direct evidence that show that anti-inflammatories hinder gains please post that up...thanks.

 

[toad]

YA GOOD QUESTION IM CURRENTLY TAKING PREDISONE FOR MY SHOULDER. I POSTED ON ANOTHER SITE AND WAS TOLD IT CAUSES CATABOLISM? BIG TIME . OH WELL THE STUFF KICKS ASS AND IM ONLY ON IT FOR TWO WEEKS . HASNT HINDER MY GAIN AT ALL AT LEAST I CAN LIFT NOW

 

[Juice Authority]

Bump...any Doc's in the house?

Thanks...

 

[twistedneck]

Kronah at rippedmass just posted a thread on coritcosteroids and the main reason people use them - they are the most potent and long lasting anti inflamatory - to the point where they screw up healing. Of course pro cyclists also use them for decreased pain, increased endurance and feelings of euphoria. Heard a bad story about a bro who power lifted and used depo medrol a lot and wound up with trashed joints..

l8ta.

TW.

 

[geoffgarst]

As previously stated in my first post, Aleve or Ibuprofen will not hinder any gains. The two works differently than such drugs as predisone.

 

[Dr. M]

Prednisone has been mentioned - it is not an NSAID. NSAID means non-steroidal anti-inflammatory.

Prednisone is a steroid anti-inflammatory.

ASA (Acetylsalicylic acid; Aspirin), Acetaminophen (Tylenol), Diclofenac (Voltaren or Cataflam), Piroxicam (Feldene), Indomethacin (Indocin), Ibuprofen (Motrin, Advil), Naproxen, and ketoprofen are all popular NSAIDS. Ibuprofen, Acetaminophen, Aspirin, Naproxen, Ketoprofen are all avail. OTC.

They'll all also give you ulcers with prolonged usage - take my word for it.

If you're looking at a prolonged usage (say, a couple months of being on 60-70% of the time, in any dosage range), try to get your doc to script you for a cox-2 inhibitor. Celecoxib (Celebrex) and Rofecoxib (Vioxx) are two great choices, and neither will give you stomach problems (they won't interfere with gastrointestinal cox-1 and cause thinning/underproduction of GIT mucous).

Karma if you're diggin the info...

-M

 

[Zyglamail]

What I want to know is whether or not anti-inflammatories hinder gains. That's all I care about. I honestly could care less about liver toxicity at this point. If everyone has any direct evidence that show that anti-inflammatories hinder gains please post that up...thanks.

We have chatted a bit but here is more food for thought.

* In the US there is an estimated 41,000 hospitalized and 3300 deaths that are associated with NSAID use each year among the elderly.

* A study done in Palo Alto CA found that a large majority of of patients with serious gastrointenstinal complication from taking NSAIDS did not have preceding side effects to warn of the problem.

 

[pajaro loco]

I,M HOOKED ON DICLOFENAC(EVERY DAY) AND DEXAMETASONE SUSPENSION(EVERY 15 OR 20 DAYS OR THAT I CAN,T TOLERATE THE PAIN IN MY SHOULDER)

 

[Zyglamail]

I,M HOOKED ON DICLOFENAC(EVERY DAY) AND DEXAMETASONE SUSPENSION(EVERY 15 OR 20 DAYS OR THAT I CAN,T TOLERATE THE PAIN IN MY SHOULDER)

Then you need to get the underlying problem fixed, drugs just mask the injury thereby allowing for further injury. Goto prolonews.com and do some reading, see if there is a doc in your area. I have had many areas treated and it works wonders.

 

[Juice Authority]

We have chatted a bit but here is more food for thought.

* In the US there is an estimated 41,000 hospitalized and 3300 deaths that are associated with NSAID use each year among the elderly.

* A study done in Palo Alto CA found that a large majority of of patients with serious gastrointenstinal complication from taking NSAIDS did not have preceding side effects to warn of the problem.

Yes we did chat about it but you also said you weren't sure whether or not taking anti-inflams hindered gains. All I know is when I take them the pain in my lower back is bearable. If you can't train certain exercises than what's the point?? For me, the D-bol pumps in the lower back make it impossible to do squats or deads. The other solution would be to cut the D-bol out of my cycling regimen, which I'm unwilling to do at this point.