Anti-E's...are they neccesary?

[25homes]

I am slightly prone to gyno but nolva always takes care of business for me..my question is being that nolva is highly effective for me is ther any reason for (arim, letyro, aromisin) other anti-e's?? seems like they would alter you gains a bit and want going to take if I didnt need to...My nipple will puff up a bit and I will be a little bloated but as soon as I start taking the nolva it puts everything right back in check quick so do I need anything else??

 

[macrophage69alpha]

if nolva works for you then.... but you might want to consider that using an AI might work "better" for you.

the one area where an AI may be of significant difference is with respect to adipose tissue gains and distribution.

 

[25homes]

if nolva works for you then.... but you might want to consider that using an AI might work "better" for you.

the one area where an AI may be of significant difference is with respect to adipose tissue gains and distribution.

Have used them before nad havent noticed much differnece for some reason...might try aromisin but my theory is if you dont have to take anything your gains will be better and then just use nolva as needed!! does this sound right???

 

[bigrand]

w/o AI, i get fat on converting AAS (dbol, test). Will never run them again w/o an AI.
with nolva, you can get a rebound cuz it blocks the receptor leading to build up while AI stop estro from being formed in the first place.

 

[immortalis]

w/o AI, i get fat on converting AAS (dbol, test). Will never run them again w/o an AI.
with nolva, you can get a rebound cuz it blocks the receptor leading to build up while AI stop estro from being formed in the first place.

good post.

I only use an AI to really prevent bloating and just ward off any possible gyno. Im not very gyno prone so its not a big deal for me, i just prefer using preventative measures over the alternative...

 

[fireman664]

w/o AI, i get fat on converting AAS (dbol, test). Will never run them again w/o an AI.
with nolva, you can get a rebound cuz it blocks the receptor leading to build up while AI stop estro from being formed in the first place.

one of the reasons the strongest steroids cause gyno is that the estrogen HELPS the gaines. Obviously we dont like the sides from too much estro. If the nolva is handling the gyno, and you can handle the bloating, you will make better gaines without the addition of AE's....but you need them on hand in case you have problems.


found this about arimidex

things one needs to note while using arimidex is that the benefits of estrogen become non-existent as well. First of all that means gains can be drastically reduced. They will be leaner and more qualitative, but they will nonetheless be seriously reduced. A second problem is that estrogen seems to have a positive effect on cholesterol levels. Since estrogen is reduced, the use of arimidex may have a profound impact on HDL to LDL ratio's in your cholesterol profile. In this aspect the use of Nolvadex is more user-friendly, because despite its anti-estrogenic effects in most tissues, it seems to exert positive estrogenic effects in the liver and promote a better cholesterol profile.

 

[melochai]

Good question, but where are all of the Vet's opinions on this?

 

[Mr.X]

I am slightly prone to gyno but nolva always takes care of business for me..my question is being that nolva is highly effective for me is ther any reason for (arim, letyro, aromisin) other anti-e's?? seems like they would alter you gains a bit and want going to take if I didnt need to...My nipple will puff up a bit and I will be a little bloated but as soon as I start taking the nolva it puts everything right back in check quick so do I need anything else??

If nolva works well, stick to it. You can add some arimidex if you get some bloat, depending on your cycle.

 

[BigCracker]

one of the reasons the strongest steroids cause gyno is that the estrogen HELPS the gaines. Obviously we dont like the sides from too much estro. If the nolva is handling the gyno, and you can handle the bloating, you will make better gaines without the addition of AE's....but you need them on hand in case you have problems.


found this about arimidex

things one needs to note while using arimidex is that the benefits of estrogen become non-existent as well. First of all that means gains can be drastically reduced. They will be leaner and more qualitative, but they will nonetheless be seriously reduced. A second problem is that estrogen seems to have a positive effect on cholesterol levels. Since estrogen is reduced, the use of arimidex may have a profound impact on HDL to LDL ratio's in your cholesterol profile. In this aspect the use of Nolvadex is more user-friendly, because despite its anti-estrogenic effects in most tissues, it seems to exert positive estrogenic effects in the liver and promote a better cholesterol profile.

True dat. Lot's of gyno-paranoid guys use anti-e's like it's a standard. I won't use an anti-e unless I need it.

 

[bigrand]

Ive run test and dbol w/o anti estros and didnt have too much of a prob (some bloat and fat, no gyno) but when i combined them with deca......i was so bloated i felt sick all the time, i put on way too much estro fat and got really sensitive nipples. Deca alone or with drol=no fat gain or bloat for me. So if i ever use test (probly not) or dbol again, it will be with a estro blocker/AI, the fat i put on from estrogen is hard to loose, so i just dont want to put it on in the first place.

I dont believe the estro has anything to do with the strength of the drug, at all. The compounds ability to aromatize doesnt make it stronger, it just is in a different place in the pathway from cholesterol-------->aldosterone/estrogen/glucocorticoids....and they happen to be converted to estrogen via aromitase. oxymeth, tren, fluoxy all are very strong compounds but have no estrogenic activity.
My point is....estrogen has some benefits yes, but the negatives far outweigh the posistives (at least for me) and i can achieve size and strength without it.

 

[fireman664]

Ive run test and dbol w/o anti estros and didnt have too much of a prob (some bloat and fat, no gyno) but when i combined them with deca......i was so bloated i felt sick all the time, i put on way too much estro fat and got really sensitive nipples. Deca alone or with drol=no fat gain or bloat for me. So if i ever use test (probly not) or dbol again, it will be with a estro blocker/AI, the fat i put on from estrogen is hard to loose, so i just dont want to put it on in the first place.

I dont believe the estro has anything to do with the strength of the drug, at all. The compounds ability to aromatize doesnt make it stronger, it just is in a different place in the pathway from cholesterol-------->aldosterone/estrogen/glucocorticoids....and they happen to be converted to estrogen via aromitase. oxymeth, tren, fluoxy all are very strong compounds but have no estrogenic activity.
My point is....estrogen has some benefits yes, but the negatives far outweigh the posistives (at least for me) and i can achieve size and strength without it.

They are strong compounds....but dont add alot of mass...well tren atleast, dont know much about the other two. I totally believe estrogen plays a huge roll in adding SIZE, and that most people limit thier gaines by taking anti-e's when they arent warrented. That said, I also think you should always keep plenty on hand during a bulker just in case. I also think anti-e's have thier place in a cutter to reduce bloat/fat ect. I just feel to many add the anti-e's, and would see much better gaines through the synergistic effect of test/estrogen.

 

[Stacemranger]

I got gyno real quick from dbol so I'll stick to using my adex. I still gain better than most people on here that post about their cycles so I see no difference.

 

[bigrand]

I guess it depends on how well you deal with the estro. Some may not need AIs, i do. Deca and anadrol are SERIOUS mass biulders, dare i say better then test or dbol (i think deca gains are more solid and easier to hold than test, i gain more off deca too) and they arent estrogenic.
Im sure SOME estrogen wouldnt hurt (as in using 1 aromatizing AAS, such as dbol for 6 weeks at 30mg), but test and dbol is TOOO much estro for me.....

 

[scout69]

If your prone I'd suggest you using them.Some people don't get Gyno and won't need it but if your prone I believe you answered your own question