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Another Space Shuttle Just Exploded

Zerxes

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The "Columbia" to be precise. It blew up upon re-entry over the Dallas/Ft. Worth area, where there is now a State of Emergency being issued, due to falling debris, and caustic/poisonous chemicals used as propellents falling to Earth. Anyone in that area, please be carefull.

On a side note, has there ever been a more incompetant, wastefull(other than the DEA) Government Agency than NASA?? The Challenger. The Hubble Telescope. That shitty Mars Explorer, that never worked. Now this.
 
challenger was covered on a documentary and they said it was a fault they knew about but didnt mention because they were afraid of the costs. i hope it wasnt something like this
 
challenger was covered on a documentary and they said it was a fault they knew about but didnt mention because they were afraid of the costs. i hope it wasnt something like this today, but given they use the shuttle so much maybe it was just a terrible accident

all i know is they suspect it blew up, thats all they said on the news :(
 
danielson said:
challenger was covered on a documentary and they said it was a fault they knew about but didnt mention because they were afraid of the costs. i hope it wasnt something like this

They are showing video now of the Columbia launch, where a giant pannel clearly breaks loose from the shuttle. They are saying that NASA informed the Columbia crew, that it "wasn't anything to worry about". Sounds familiar to the "Challenger" problem you just touched on. I saw that too on THC I believe. It had something to do with the rubber "O"-rings, that they knew wouldn't seal below 50 degrees farenheit, yet they launched the shuttle anyhow, when it was only 30 degrees.
 
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Zerxes said:


They are showing video now of the Columbia launch, where a giant pannel clearly breaks loose from the shuttle. They are saying that NASA informed the Columbia crew, that it "wasn't anything to worry about". Sounds familiar to the "Challenger" problem you just touched on. I saw that too on THC I believe.

:(

maybe it was something they couldnt fix
 
This is awful. How in the hell can you cut corners on something as monumental as a space mission, in the interests of saving money. Those are people's lives on the line.



They just said it was a piece of insulating foam that blew off of the main engine tank and hit the leading edge of the shuttle's wing.
 
gsxr1000 said:
This is awful. How in the hell can you cut corners on something as monumental as a space mission, in the interests of saving money. Those are people's lives on the line.



They just said it was a piece of insulating foam that blew off of the main engine tank and hit the leading edge of the shuttle's wing.

easy, just stop those space missions. IMO they're useless. Sorry but for me it's nothing more than another plane crash.
 
weird coincidences. I'm told that it blew up at 8:10 Central time and that the Twin Towers were also hit at exactly that time. Almost exactly 9:11 New York Time. There was in Israeli on board and CNN reported that debri fell over Palestine, Tx.
 
Zerxes said:
The "Columbia" to be precise. It blew up upon re-entry over the Dallas/Ft. Worth area, where there is now a State of Emergency being issued, due to falling debris, and caustic/poisonous chemicals used as propellents falling to Earth. Anyone in that area, please be carefull.

On a side note, has there ever been a more incompetant, wastefull(other than the DEA) Government Agency than NASA?? The Challenger. The Hubble Telescope. That shitty Mars Explorer, that never worked. Now this.

BTW you might take a look there:

http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=206173&highlight=zerxes
 
DAMN, when did this happen? I feel for the peoples familys, but OH WELL. just a couple hundred million out of the tax payers pocket for nothing anyways. fuck space programs. they should all blow up until they stop doing them 50 times a year.
 
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danielson said:
challenger was covered on a documentary and they said it was a fault they knew about but didnt mention because they were afraid of the costs. i hope it wasnt something like this

The Challenger exploded b/c some retard forgot to take into account the bending moment of the STS governed with 2 boosters. They only measured it with one.

A friend of mine wrote his dissertation on the Challenger disaster and i read it thoroughly.

The current theory floating around the aerospace community is that the STS Columbia hit a piece of space junk up there in a deteriorating orbit. The Columbia's heat shield would have then been compromised and the STS would have then beem consumed by the heat generated by atmospheric friction.

Even with its computer controlled FOG radar, the Columbia would not have been able to manouver out of the way. Take into account it was going at 20,000mph during re-entry.

Fonz
 
big_bad_buff said:
DAMN, when did this happen? I feel for the peoples familys, but OH WELL. just a couple hundred million out of the tax payers pocket for nothing anyways. fuck space programs. they should all blow up until they stop doing them 50 times a year.

The STS Columbia is a $2 Billion piece of hardware.

Fonz
 
Zerxes said:

On a side note, has there ever been a more incompetant, wastefull(other than the DEA) Government Agency than NASA?? The Challenger. The Hubble Telescope. That shitty Mars Explorer, that never worked. Now this.

Nasa is the only progressive thing the united states has ever produced.
 
Frackal said:
Very sad....you feel space programs are unimportant BBB?

of course they are, for bringing up satalites. and that's about it! but for testing dirt, or flying monkeys around. or flying high profile rich celebrity around is all BS. i don't know how many are sent up a year, but i know it's to many. atleast if there is no big purpose. not sending up one of these things would cure the homeless problem in america. or pherhaps you wouldn't have to pay taxes for a year or two. YES they are important for us as a nation to grow in technology. NO they shouldn't send so many up a year.
 
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big_bad_buff said:


of course they are, for bringing up satalites. and that's about it! but for testing dirt, or flying monkeys around. or flying high profile rich celebrity around is all BS. i don't know how many are sent up a year, but i know it's to many. atleast if there is no big purpose. not sending up one of these things one cure the homeless problem in america. or pherhaps you wouldn't have top pay taxes for a year or two. YES they are important for us as a nation to grow in technology. NO they shouldn't send so many up a year.

Sad part is you represent the views of most americans.

The micro-gravity environment on-board the Shuttle in orbit permits scientits to separate the proteins from Virus's.(Among other things)

The implications here are enormous. Dozens of crippling diseases could be cured.

The lack of foresight of most of the people here is just uncanny.

Fonz
 
An apt complex in my area caught fire from some of the debris. Just drove by it, burned a pretty good sized whole in the building. This is crazy.
 
Fonz said:


Sad part is you represent the views of most americans.

The micro-gravity environment on-board the Shuttle in orbit permits scientits to separate the proteins from Virus's.(Among other things)

The implications here are enormous. Dozens of crippling diseases could be cured.

The lack of foresight of most of the people here is just uncanny.

Fonz

Exactly!
Do you really think the government just said, hey lets shell out some cash and see how far we can hork in space?

Before you knock it, at least read an argument by an authority from the opposing side.
 
Fonz said:


Sad part is you represent the views of most americans.

The micro-gravity environment on-board the Shuttle in orbit permits scientits to separate the proteins from Virus's.(Among other things)

The implications here are enormous. Dozens of crippling diseases could be cured.

The lack of foresight of most of the people here is just uncanny.

Fonz

yeah pretty uncanny:lmao: how many years have they been sending shettles up? how much money has been spent? now how many crippling diseases have been cured? I think that would be a big zero. Trillions and trillions of dollars spent just for this? i think we are better off with them, and being rich.
 
Personally space exploration is one of the most important efforts we are undertaking....it is the future....there are plently of other less useful programs in this country then the space program:

.. hell, take the DEA, disband, legalize, design plan for government control of the big ones, put all that money that was put into prisons (legal slave labor) and the million-dollar-a-minute drug fight and put it into treatment programs...then give the DEA guys, who ARE skilled individuals something more productive to do like fight terrorism etc... I am sure it is frustrating for these agents when not even the CIA is on their side...

Anyway, I think space travel is the most incredible thing we as humans can do.... I'd like to see more money allotted for it personally...
 
Frackal said:
Personally space exploration is one of the most important efforts we are undertaking....it is the future....there are plently of other less useful programs in this country then the space program:

.. hell, take the DEA, disband, legalize, design plan for government control of the big ones, put all that money that was put into prisons (legal slave labor) and the million-dollar-a-minute drug fight and put it into treatment programs...then give the DEA guys, who ARE skilled individuals something more productive to do like fight terrorism etc... I am sure it is frustrating for these agents when not even the CIA is on their side...

Anyway, I think space travel is the most incredible thing we as humans can do.... I'd like to see more money allotted for it personally...

Frack - any reasonnable human being know that, but try to explain that to the average Joe who saw dozens of homeless sleeping on the sidewalk.
 
Latest speculation is that insulating foam that came off on the takeoff on Jan 16. The foam came off one of the burners and hit the left wing. From analysis, they said it was minimal damage. Not sure about that. I would want no damage at all if I'm reorbiting at Mack 18 (12,500 mph) at 3,000 degrees Fahrenheit desending back to earth. Any slight damage could cause a catastrophic disaster.
 
I feel sorry for all involved, but they know that there were dangers involved. this kind of shit happens all the time with planes and cars and shit.
 
big_bad_buff said:
Has anything like this happen to russia's shuttles?

With the exception of a 2 orbit unmanned test flight, no Russian shuttle has done anything. Only 1 was ever finished & can be purchased. Can't remember how much, but it's going cheap.
 
UpperTone said:


With the exception of a 2 orbit unmanned test flight, no Russian shuttle has done anything. Only 1 was ever finished & can be purchased. Can't remember how much, but it's going cheap.

let's all put our money together and buy it. THE EF SHUTTLE, we will have our own missions. set the world lifting records in space...benching 5,000 pounds squating 10,000 :lmao:
 
Testosterone boy said:

I had an English car once, Jaguar to be specific. You guys can't even make a reliable car.

Yeah and the USA special forces were turned down by an american general because he knew the UK special forces were so much better. That must be tough to take for a silly little boy like you.........
 
spatts said:
I'd rather separate a virus in a Volvo than a Yugo. If the work is so damn important, why not do everything we can to protect and ensure its completion?

The space program is right up there with the military budget in the eyes of many Americans... IMO, more money should be used to fund NASA... space exploration IS the final frontier...

C-ditty
 
Imnotdutch said:


Yeah and the USA special forces were turned down by an american general because he knew the UK special forces were so much better. That must be tough to take for a silly little boy like you.........

Gimme a break. They use the same weapons, train in similar manners and have the same mindset. War is about logistics, not about being Rambo. A branch of US special forces (I believe it was the newly created Navy SEALs, formed from the underwater demolition teams from WWII) had something like a 200-1 kill ratio in the jungles and brown rivers of Vietnam. But I'm sure that the SAS would have done a whole lot better right? :rolleyes:
 
lol........fucking funny.

Your lack of knowledge is showing. Delta Force is totally different to the SAS. They are equivalent in may peoples eyes but this is totally wrong. The USA has no equivalent to the SAS. The SAS will typically walk for tens of miles in order to reach a destination. Delta Force, and other US special forces, do not do training that allows this; they hitch a lift. In Iraq, the SAS were chosen because they are specialists at staying on the ground for very very long periods of time with NO input. The US has no team that can do this for such long periods of time.

THE TRAINING IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT!!!

Who knows what the SAS would have done in Vietnam (assuming the UK was stupid enough to get involved in such a fight). I'm not sure that they even keep tabs on numbers killed versus own dead. They aren't exactly known for being forthcoming about numbers and wheres and whens.



Kalashnikov said:


Gimme a break. They use the same weapons, train in similar manners and have the same mindset. War is about logistics, not about being Rambo. A branch of US special forces (I believe it was the newly created Navy SEALs, formed from the underwater demolition teams from WWII) had something like a 200-1 kill ratio in the jungles and brown rivers of Vietnam. But I'm sure that the SAS would have done a whole lot better right? :rolleyes:
 
They hitch a lift huh...Well I'm in a Plain jane Airborne Unit and I train to road march over 10miles when I need to go somewhere...My last 24hr excersise was a snowshoe march I was carrying a rucksack 70+lbs including a weapon and we marched through the Mt's here over 15miles after an Airborne insertion into a snow covered drop zone and pulling fire missions. So If my plain jane unit trains like that I would Dare to say that SF and Delta trains to do a hellava lot more then that. What do you know about U.S. Special Ops, doesn't seem like a whole lot if you dont think they move on the ground. Try Asking Big Buck sometime how much Marching he did in Afghanistan and how long he was in the field when he jumped in just after 9-11

Back to the Topic at hand These Astronauts were REAL PEOPLE Some were Neighbors and all were friends to my Stepdad. He saw these people EVERDAY through work and watched the Dedication they put into their Mission, their belief that they were doing the Absolute best they could inorder to accomplish the goals in space that were set. Each one of them Knew the risks they were taking but it doesn't take away from the fact that they died trying to better not only this country but all of mankind.

These people have kids that will never see them again. A few who my Stepbrother hangs out with. How the fuck do you think they feel hearing and reading about their parents death. These kids are going to be haunted by this forever. The Israeli Astronaut has a Son who plays football and goes to school with my little bro.

I can only feel Sorrow and Pitty for them and their loved ones. This is very tragic and should once again make people realize that this is still dangerous and that men and women continue to put their lives on the line to do this dangerous work
 
Imnotdutch said:
lol........fucking funny.

Your lack of knowledge is showing. Delta Force is totally different to the SAS. They are equivalent in may peoples eyes but this is totally wrong. The USA has no equivalent to the SAS. The SAS will typically walk for tens of miles in order to reach a destination. Delta Force, and other US special forces, do not do training that allows this; they hitch a lift. In Iraq, the SAS were chosen because they are specialists at staying on the ground for very very long periods of time with NO input. The US has no team that can do this for such long periods of time.

THE TRAINING IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT!!!

Who knows what the SAS would have done in Vietnam (assuming the UK was stupid enough to get involved in such a fight). I'm not sure that they even keep tabs on numbers killed versus own dead. They aren't exactly known for being forthcoming about numbers and wheres and whens.




U.S. Army Delta Force and Navy SEAL training programs emphasize endurance and physical strength as much, if not more so, that the SAS program. If you read the book "Blackhawk Down", you'll learn of several feats of endurance, marksmanship, and coolness under fire that is typical of Delta troopers. Two Delta Sharpshooters held off hundreds of somali's in a suicidal rescue attempt. They were both given the congressional medal of honor for this, and this is one of the many examples that can be found in this short conflict.

I am not saying that US units are any better than those of the UK. All of these "Special forces" units are similar. If you say that UK units are so much more well-trained and capable, then you've got alot to prove and high standards to measure against.
 
India mourns space heroine

NEW DELHI, India --Front pages of Saturday's Indian newspapers carried pictures of Kalpana Chawla, the first Indian-born woman in space, to celebrate her expected return to earth on the U.S. space shuttle Columbia.

But the return never happened, as the shuttle broke apart more than 200,000 feet above central Texas minutes before it was to land in Florida, killing all seven crew members. (Full story)

"What can anyone say except that we are aghast at the terrible tragedy," V. Sundararamaiah, scientific secretary of the Indian Space Research Organization, told the Associated Press.

Pupils at the Tagore Bal Niketan school, in Karnal, near New Delhi, that Chawla attended as a child had gathered for an evening of song and dance to celebrate the expected landing of Columbia.

Principal Rajan Lamba said: "A happy occasion turned into an atmosphere of disbelief shock and condolence."

Press Trust of India had calculated exactly when Indians could look to the skies and wave as the space shuttle carrying mission specialist Chawla flew past in the heavens.

PTI told readers in southern Bombay and Madras which minute of the day they could hail their countrywoman.

The Times of India put her picture at the top of the front page in Saturday morning's editions, saying she and her crew mates were preparing for their homecoming.

In India, which has launched satellites for years and is preparing for a moon orbit this decade, Chawla was a new kind of heroine.

Priot to her departure on Columbia for what was her second trip to space, she told reporters that her inspiration to take up flying was J.R.D. Tata, who flew the first mail flights in India.

She told the Press Trust of India on January 16: "What J.R.D. Tata had done during those years was very intriguing and definitely captivated my imagination."

Following her first space flight, in 1997, she had told News India-Times of seeing India's Himalayan Mountains.

"The Ganges Valley looked majestic, mind boggling," she said.

"Africa looked like a desert and the Nile a vein in it."

Chawla said that as the shuttle repeatedly passed over India, especially New Delhi, she pointed it out to the other crew members and said, "I lived near there."

Chawla, 41, was born in Karnal but emigrated to the United States in the 1980s and became a U.S. citizen.

The town had planned a celebration, but were in shock and mourning on Saturday night.

She became an astronaut in 1994. On her first space flight, she was blamed for making mistakes that sent a science satellite tumbling out of control. Other astronauts went on a space walk to capture it.

India Today magazine reported that NASA had absolved Chawla, rating her a "terrific astronaut," and saying the accident had resulted from a series of small errors.

Thsi is the first thing I have read about her. The media doesn't give a shit about an Indian. It's all about the Israeli's first time in space:rolleyes:
 
Delta Force use vehicles to get in and out as a first option. The SAS usually walk in and walk out. There are accounts of members walking out of a hot zone over distances of a few hundred miles with little or no supplies.

I dont expect you to choose one way or the other because I offer little evidence.......I just think that the majority of the worlds 'special' forces aren't special at all (including one or two units int he UK).

Kalashnikov said:


U.S. Army Delta Force and Navy SEAL training programs emphasize endurance and physical strength as much, if not more so, that the SAS program. If you read the book "Blackhawk Down", you'll learn of several feats of endurance, marksmanship, and coolness under fire that is typical of Delta troopers. Two Delta Sharpshooters held off hundreds of somali's in a suicidal rescue attempt. They were both given the congressional medal of honor for this, and this is one of the many examples that can be found in this short conflict.

I am not saying that US units are any better than those of the UK. All of these "Special forces" units are similar. If you say that UK units are so much more well-trained and capable, then you've got alot to prove and high standards to measure against.
 
big_bad_buff said:


of course they are, for bringing up satalites. and that's about it! but for testing dirt, or flying monkeys around. or flying high profile rich celebrity around is all BS. i don't know how many are sent up a year, but i know it's to many. atleast if there is no big purpose. not sending up one of these things would cure the homeless problem in america. or pherhaps you wouldn't have to pay taxes for a year or two. YES they are important for us as a nation to grow in technology. NO they shouldn't send so many up a year.

i on the other hand think it needs to be sped up, because I'llt ell you something, i have a feeling my kids or grandkids aren't going to be ABLE to live on this planet when their time comes. This planet's pollution and all this other shit is just getting ridiculous. IMO, to not want to look out for our next generations is pretty sad. There's no doubt that the answers to many of the the problems down here lie up there, either through aplpied sciences and definately off world colonization.
 
Delinquent said:

Thsi is the first thing I have read about her. The media doesn't give a shit about an Indian. It's all about the Israeli's first time in space:rolleyes:

i had noticed that myself, only a few of the news agencies i saw chose to carry that info, even fewer about the rest of the crew. maybe its morbid fascination, but the fact this was her 2nd space flght and she's india;s first woman was newsworthy to me, just as much so as that israeli dudes

i only hope the news agencies focused on him as they were suggesting terrorism.


either way i hope there isnt a kneejerk reaction to this where everything is canceled. i hope they research what went wrong, but i do think they should learn and press ahead with the science and the space station, im sure its what the crew would have wanted
 
interesting also how there is so much focus on israeli but none on the indian woman
 
The Nature Boy said:
how's this for ironic, someone told me that parts of the shuttle landed on a town in texas called palestine.

Palestine Texas is just a coincidence at this point no more significant than if the debri had been sited falling over Paris Texas or Plano Texas.

Most pieces are being found in Nacogdoches. (American Indian word in origin)
 
minion said:


Palestine Texas is just a coincidence at this point no more significant than if the debri had been sited falling over Paris Texas or Plano Texas.

Most pieces are being found in Nacogdoches. (American Indian word in origin)

come on, sure it's a coincidence, but it is also ironic that an Israeli was on board the shuttle and parts of that shuttle landed in Palestine..... Texas.
 
Delinquent said:

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She became an astronaut in 1994. On her first space flight, she was blamed for making mistakes that sent a science satellite tumbling out of control. Other astronauts went on a space walk to capture it.

India Today magazine reported that NASA had absolved Chawla, rating her a "terrific astronaut," and saying the accident had resulted from a series of small errors.

Thsi is the first thing I have read about her. The media doesn't give a shit about an Indian. It's all about the Israeli's first time in space:rolleyes:

Personally i don't know what is a big deal...its still a US shuttle, you can send a monkey in it. Let those guys develop their own space programs, then they can celebrate. National hero with borrowed identity, education and shuttle, eh? Also did NASA absolved this Indian lady before or after recent accident?
 
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