Anavar Strenght gain outpaces recovery gain

[geoboy]

the strenght gains i got on var (especially the ability to pull out those extra 2 or 3 reps like a machine) are amazing. amazing enuf to then send me into overtrained catabolic state. I find when on var (not when off), I have to work at less then I'm capable of in order to grow.

anybody else experience this?

 

[cbs]

the strenght gains i got on var (especially the ability to pull out those extra 2 or 3 reps like a machine) are amazing. amazing enuf to then send me into overtrained catabolic state. I find when on var (not when off), I have to work at less then I'm capable of in order to grow.

anybody else experience this?

what kind of var are you on? How much per day?

 

[Atomic Punk]

How is it that you are squeezing out those last 2 or 3 reps "like a machine", and the gains are "amazing", yet you feel you are "over-training, and are in a catabolic state" while ON anavar of all things???? What you just said makes zero sense bro. If you are over-training now on Anavar( I doubt you are, according to what you just wrote), then there is no way that you wouldn't be over-training when off of it.

 

[geoboy]

How is it that you are squeezing out those last 2 or 3 reps "like a machine", and the gains are "amazing", yet you feel you are "over-training, and are in a catabolic state" while ON anavar of all things???? What you just said makes zero sense bro. If you are over-training now on Anavar( I doubt you are, according to what you just wrote), then there is no way that you wouldn't be over-training when off of it.

I'll type slowly so you can keep up.

1) as the var kicks in over first 2 or 3 weeks, strength increases. you feel strong, so you pull those extra 3 or 4 reps at _much_ higher weights than normal. this is a gain, right? THEN, as a result of this over-exertion, body goes into catabolic overtrained state (flat, no pump, elevated heart rate, insomnia, etc etc etc). after short period of recovery (4-6 days), back to the salt-mine.

2) when off, strength is normal. working at non-enhanced max (weight and reps), body does not go into overtrained state. IOW, work able to be performed does not exceed ability to recover from said work.

now you get it?
I can explain it to you, I can't understand it for you.

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[drveejay11]

 

[MikeyG]

well said geoboy!! but... I have not yet used anavar- although fina does give impressive strength gains and sometimes my recovery does cannot keep up and i get DOMS after every workout- What i have done is that- i've cut my training time in gym back, and reduced to 3 times per week. works great for me!

 

[kbrkbr]

I'll type slowly so you can keep up.

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lol Very funny stuff. Thanks for my morning smile.

 

[gwl9dta4]

I'll type slowly so you can keep up.

1) as the var kicks in over first 2 or 3 weeks, strength increases. you feel strong, so you pull those extra 3 or 4 reps at _much_ higher weights than normal. this is a gain, right? THEN, as a result of this over-exertion, body goes into catabolic overtrained state (flat, no pump, elevated heart rate, insomnia, etc etc etc). after short period of recovery (4-6 days), back to the salt-mine.

2) when off, strength is normal. working at non-enhanced max (weight and reps), body does not go into overtrained state. IOW, work able to be performed does not exceed ability to recover from said work.

now you get it?
I can eplain it to you, I can't understand it for you.

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LOL, Funny stuff.

Overalli have to agree with you 100%. I seem to suffer from the same problem. My strenght gains go up and i have so much energy in the gym i end up overtraining while "on". I guess higher dosages is where it's at to speed recovery.

 

[anabolicmd]

Use the extra energy for more weight, not more reps. Its that simple.

 

[gwl9dta4]

Use the extra energy for more weight, not more reps. Its that simple.

The workload remais the same in the scenario you proposed.

Whether i do 2 reps with 225 or 4 with 215 does not really matter all that much, in this case.

 

[anabolicmd]

The workload remais the same in the scenario you proposed.

Whether i do 2 reps with 225 or 4 with 215 does not really matter all that much, in this case.

I disagree. The higher rep scheme is more likely to lead to overtraining. The bigger weight recruits more muscle fibers, wheres the lighter weight works less fibers multiple times. If the workload were the same, one could lift 100 pounds four times and get the same results as lifting 400 ponds once.

 

[gwl9dta4]

I disagree. The higher rep scheme is more likely to lead to overtraining. The bigger weight recruits more muscle fibers, wheres the lighter weight works less fibers multiple times. If the workload were the same, one could lift 100 pounds four times and get the same results as lifting 400 ponds once.

Look i know what you are saying and if you were to curl 20lbs for 100 reps versus 100 for 6 i would agree 100%. BUT in his particular case, or the case i dascribed it does not make THAT much of a difference.

 

[Atomic Punk]

I'll type slowly so you can keep up.

1) as the var kicks in over first 2 or 3 weeks, strength increases. you feel strong, so you pull those extra 3 or 4 reps at _much_ higher weights than normal. this is a gain, right? THEN, as a result of this over-exertion, body goes into catabolic overtrained state (flat, no pump, elevated heart rate, insomnia, etc etc etc). after short period of recovery (4-6 days), back to the salt-mine.

2) when off, strength is normal. working at non-enhanced max (weight and reps), body does not go into overtrained state. IOW, work able to be performed does not exceed ability to recover from said work.

now you get it?
I can eplain it to you, I can't understand it for you.

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Estrogen levels high. Becoming bitch-like. A simple explanation minus the 'tude would've been just fine thanks.

 

[DeepZenPill]

EAT MORE PROTEIN. GET MORE SLEEP.

I never had a problem with recovery on var. I actually feel no DOMS at all when I'm on var. But that's because I make sure to eat tons of protein. And I would also sleep a solid 10 hours a day with an afternoon nap.

If you were in a catabolic state you would be losing muscle. Not gaining. So if you're actually losing muscle on this cycle I would believe you. But then the culprits are probably not the drug, but something with training, eating, and sleeping.

How long are you working out? If anything, that would be the sole source of overtraining.

If you think increasing the weights and busting out extra reps is hurting you, you need to reevaluate your knowledge of training.

 

[BonerBoy]

If you think increasing the weights and busting out extra reps is hurting you, you need to reevaluate your knowledge of training.

yup

geoboy=cueless

EAT MORE PROTEIN. GET MORE SLEEP

 

[geoboy]

And I would also sleep a solid 10 hours a day with an afternoon nap.

As soon as I get my Pro Contract, or a Sugar-Mommy.

If you were in a catabolic state you would be losing muscle. Not gaining.

I'm not talking about a continuing condition. once the local or systemic symtoms of overtraining are recognized, you scale back before it becomes chronic.

If you think increasing the weights and busting out extra reps is hurting you, you need to reevaluate your knowledge of training.

 

[geoboy]

Estrogen levels high. Becoming bitch-like. A simple explanation minus the 'tude would've been just fine thanks.

Var doesn't aromatize.

And if you don't want 'tude, don't tell people they make "zero sense", especially when they do make sense. your same question without the 'tude would have gotten an answer without 'tude in return.

An eye for an eye, a 'tude for a 'tude. see how that works?

 

[geoboy]

yup
geoboy=cueless

The beauty of the internet! you can be evaluated by some kid who names himself after a penis.

 

[DeepZenPill]

As soon as I get my Pro Contract, or a Sugar-Mommy.

lol. I didn't mean you should get 10 hours of sleep and a nap. I was saying that's what I was able to get away with during school, and it helped immensely. But 8-9 hours of sleep is a minimum for anyone who is training.

Anyway, how long do your workouts run?

 

[geoboy]

lol. I didn't mean you should get 10 hours of sleep and a nap. I was saying that's what I was able to get away with during school, and it helped immensely. But 8-9 hours of sleep is a minimum for anyone who is training.

Anyway, how long do your workouts run?

Not all that long, from an hour to maybe an hour and a half, but I'm a natural ecto, so I need to keep them short and sweet. when off, I try to keep them to less than an hour.

 

[slobberknocker]

Maybe it's because var isn't very androgenic so you're not getting the benefit of CNS stimulation.

 

[geoboy]

Maybe it's because var isn't very androgenic so you're not getting the benefit of CNS stimulation.

seems that for me anyway, while it boosts both strength & recovery, the strength effects are stronger than the recovery effects.

 

[anabolicmd]

seems that for me anyway, while it boosts both strength & recovery, the strength effects are stronger than the recovery effects.

There can be no strength without recovery. Strength is gained when the fibers rebuild themselves stronger than before because of the overload they were subjected to. Quit wearing them out with extra reps, do less reps but more weight. Overload them instead of overtraining them.

 

[geoboy]

There can be no strength without recovery. Strength is gained when the fibers rebuild themselves stronger than before because of the overload they were subjected to. Quit wearing them out with extra reps, do less reps but more weight. Overload them instead of overtraining them.

I know I know. Knowing and doing is 2 different things. (its so much fun to pull out those extra reps that you can't do when off)

the strength and mass builds when I follow my head and keep the reps and sets resonable, then I go on a lunatic "set/rep binge" using all the new strength and have to take 3 or 4 days off .

 

[Lift Chief]

As i do 1-2 working sets per muscle group, no matter how many "extra" reps i can do i do not feel in anyway overtrained.

While var helps you to get in those extra reps it also helps you to recover... so it balances out.

 

[anabolicmd]

I know I know. Knowing and doing is 2 different things. (its so much fun to pull out those extra reps that you can't do when off)

Yeah, but its also fun to add those extra plates, too...Im totally pumped right now btw, Im goin squatting in a few minutes. But ok, try this: stick to three reps. If you can do more reps, dont, just rack it. Add 5 pounds (yes, a measly 2.5 lb plate on each side). Crank out three, just three. You are aiming for five sets of three, going up 5 lbs each set. Sometimes, I start too heavy and my last two end up being doubles. Its ok, you are still doing the bulk of your work in the 85-95% one rep max area, and thats where gains come from. Your first time it might take you a while to find the exact weights to use, but once you start cranking heavy 5x3 and 5x2 workouts, youll see results and will not be as hard on the muscles as you are now with these grinding long sets and extra reps.

 

[anabolicmd]

As i do 1-2 working sets per muscle group, no matter how many "extra" reps i can do i do not feel in anyway overtrained.

What rep range do you work in?

 

[girlyk]

my trainner started me on anavar 25mg. Im scared i am very selfcouncious about gaining weight. Im latina so I have big butt and hips. I want to cut and lean but also will like to loose 10 pounds. Is it posible to follow a diet that makes me loose ponds taking anavar at the same time?

 

[Snyrx7]

25 or 2.5? I believe 25 would be to high of a dose for a women. Not sure as I am a man, maybe someone in the womens forum can give u better advice. To answer your question yes diet is the most important aspect of reaching your goal. I also doN t think you need to be taking var if your only interested in loosing 10 pounds. How long have u been training?

 

[aquatic_glories]

1st message, 7 yr old thread, nice