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Springenatic

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Sup bros, decided to run my first cycle.
I've spent the last month or so reading around, learning the lingo, and studying many of the different types of gear. The other day this site eventually made me sign up if I wanted to keep reading other peoples threads. What I have purchased is three bottles of oxandrolone that came from a UGL that I have read multiple times operates in the vancouver area. Also (and this is what I'm questioning) a bottle of Nolvadex.

Now the man I purchased this from seemed pretty surprised that I would want to even bother spending the money to get the nolvadex, more or less thinking that I would not need to bother with it. I proceeded to tell him I planned on running 50mg/ed for 60 days strait (3 full bottles) and he reluctantly agreed. He then said "well you dont have to get it right now, you can get it from me whenever you want." I figured, if I'm gonna have my gear, I might as well have all of it.

This other guy who over saw this conversation later approached me in the gym, telling me that var doesn't aromatize, and that what I should really consider taking is clomid. Reading more about the two I feel like I kinda agree with him.

Now here are my questions, the more I read, the more I seem to think the 50mg/ed might even be a little high to kick off my first cycle... comments on this?
Also, the nolva, should I be satisfied with this as pct (hormone wise anyway)?
And do I "keep it at hand" or go ahead and run it directly after my cycle?
 
No Anavar only is a horrible first cycle...Give us some stats....Age? Height? Weight? BF? How long have you been training? What are your goals?
 
You won't get Huge from var. And expect to be surpressed when you come off. So yes having a serm for pct is the right direction.

Look into,
Hcgenerate
Postcycle
Unleashed

To add to your pct. And maybe just use the nolva as a back up.

Do your own research, I ran a var only cycle and came off wrong (with nothing, o it dosnt aromatize I thought.. Lol and it doesn't shut you down... So I thought ) so I did nothing as I didn't even know about pct. 3 mths later still supressed and looking at hrt in the face.

Now I'm doing something! Using natty boosters. Hcgenerate, trs, krill oil, and ruthless multi vit. ( I feel like I keep typing this shit to various people, o wait I am lol) to get my self back. This is not where you want to be my man...

Do your self a favor, listen to the guys on this forum, they are very helpful and more knowledgeable then any other forum I have been on. Make sure before you start you have EVERYTHING! Needed in your cycle. And make sure you look into support sups as well. Things like n2guard for liver support and a multi vit. This will help combat the side you are going to get w/ var. Ie high bp... It will also help to keep you cholesterol in check and liver count down and various other thing that need to be right to maintain optimal health.

On top of a llllll that. Make sure you get a blood test now! Before you start so that you have a base line of what is normal for you. So that when you come off and are trying to come back to the normal you, you will know for sure you are back. This is called a full panel test! It's pricy but if you go to inexpensive Bloodwork - How to Get It WITHOUT Insurance - Need To Build Muscle ... It can be had for pretty cheap.

Also consider running test in your cycle as stated above. Seems to be the way to go. Supposed to be a basis of any cycle. Haven't don't it yet so I'm kinda talk out my ass about it but it seems to be the general consensus around here.

Hope that helps
 
I'm 22, 5'11, 175 lbs. I have been training for over 6 years off and on. Some years for as little as four months, some as many as 10. My goal is not to put in 40 lbs of muscle in a month and be a monster. Essentially what I really want from this is to help boost strength gains. I feel like I've been stuck at a certain weight plateau for some exercises for years now. I once had a piece of shit body fat caliper but my dumb ass friend didn't know what it is and broke it in half some how. But I'm not exactly weak, and I'm not exactly fat.

I would say, like many other people, I'm just being impatient. The summer is only a few months away, and I'm looking for a little extra boost to help me get where i want to go. The diet has been tight, the training has been consistent.

I'm to pussy to start sticking. Maybe someday, but at this point I feel I am far from ready for that. As I said I have already purchased my (pretty expensive) gear, and it would be hard for anyone to turn me away from it now. I have heard plenty of good things about oxandrolone, whether it be run alone or not.

So I spent a lot of money, and I wont get crazy huge, and may be disappointed. It's too late for that to matter, I'm just asking for advice as to PCT, and if I should perhaps run less then 50mg/ed. It can be hard to figure a good first time user dosage when ever other board you read is filled with "anavar is for fucking woman start sticking needles in your ass you little bitch" type shit ya know?:)
 
Oh yeah and I also plan to get a blood test/ liver enzyme test before and after. Though compared to others this is a relatively weak cycle I'm certainly interested in the damage these things have the potential to do to my body, and since the testing should be free or have minimal cost I can't see why I wouldn't other then being lazy.
 
The 3 I told you about are said to be ok for pct. But I would also get a serm like nolva or clomid just incase.

I ran 40mg ed spread evenly. And got pretty good gains. Ironically, im exact same specs as you. Height, weight, age wise lol.

Just dont start till you have all ur pct. Its so Important
 
Get clomid bro..run it at 50mgs ED you can also use the nolva since you've already purchased it run it at 20mg ED. Var is by far my favorite oral I personally feel it works better at higher dosages. With that being said I'd still start with a low dose and work up. You should be a able to run a nice 6-8week cycle. I agree with rage about getting bloods done. And 100% on the n2guard your gonna be running orals for that long your gonna need support. I'd use the hcgenerate while on cycle since your not running test you'll still be shutdown but'll make recovery easier and you'll be able to get it up to smash.

Lastly and please don't take this the wrong way but if your diet is on point and your hitting a plateau it means your doing something wrong...most likely your technique sucks ass. Do a YouTube search on Dave Tate he has some really good instructonial videos as far as technique goes...I benefited from most of them so I just thought I'd pass that along good luck with your cycle bro!
 
The more I get into this the more I feel like I should man up and run as low a dose as is reasonable of TestE, and now the whole thing is making me nervous, as I am considering it.
What's the smallest amount of testE you would use EW? Like I said I don't to be a gorilla... Or am i starting to over think this now and should I just give me var only plan a shot? I thought I had it all planned out and now I'm all confused and dont know what I'm thinking anymore.
 
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Springenatic said:
Sup bros, decided to run my first cycle.
I've spent the last month or so reading around, learning the lingo, and studying many of the different types of gear. The other day this site eventually made me sign up if I wanted to keep reading other peoples threads. What I have purchased is three bottles of oxandrolone that came from a UGL that I have read multiple times operates in the vancouver area. Also (and this is what I'm questioning) a bottle of Nolvadex.

Now the man I purchased this from seemed pretty surprised that I would want to even bother spending the money to get the nolvadex, more or less thinking that I would not need to bother with it. I proceeded to tell him I planned on running 50mg/ed for 60 days strait (3 full bottles) and he reluctantly agreed. He then said "well you dont have to get it right now, you can get it from me whenever you want." I figured, if I'm gonna have my gear, I might as well have all of it.

This other guy who over saw this conversation later approached me in the gym, telling me that var doesn't aromatize, and that what I should really consider taking is clomid. Reading more about the two I feel like I kinda agree with him.

Now here are my questions, the more I read, the more I seem to think the 50mg/ed might even be a little high to kick off my first cycle... comments on this?
Also, the nolva, should I be satisfied with this as pct (hormone wise anyway)?
And do I "keep it at hand" or go ahead and run it directly after my cycle?
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Buddy dont talk about guys operating in Vancouver area or any shit like that.

Now,welcome to EF...You have come to the right place.:)

you need to do some real research ,not just a month or so.

Learn about side effects - how they are caused and how to minimise the risk.
you are asking about nolva and unsure if this is sufficient PCT , you need to do a shit-load of reading on this topic.

Anavar is considered mild but dont start popping pills untill you have a good understanding of PCT,A.I'S ,hcg,serms,liver protection ,side effects,shutdown.

Learn as much as you can - then ask questions on the stuff you are unsure about ... the mods here are as good as it gets and are always willing to help folk.

Good luck :cool:
 
Ive run anavar only on many occasions, i think it works wonders. Im currently running it at 50mg/day for 7 weeks. im 5'8" and lean and went from 194 to 202 and i still have 2 weeks left. the gains are solid, nothing crazy but it makes you feel really good in the gym. Im taking it with creatine and im also running 20mg ed of nolva just because i have it. im also throwing HCG in at the end. ive never been dissapointed, it was my first cycle and now i use it whenever i wana do something on the lighter side.
 
I know I have a lot to learn, I'm reading more and more every day.
I'm starting to think
1-10 500mgTestE/EW
2-10 50mgVar/ED
Nolva, clomid, trib, milk thistle, multi.

I still don't have it all figured out yet, and I wont be so much as thinking about taking any one of those things until I do, and get my tests done.
I think I'd prefer to only do 250TestE/EW. Anyone who has run this cycle have any recommendations? I'm thinking that adding the testE would really make the whole thing a lot more worth while.
 
Being that this is your first cycle, I would definitely start at test 250/wk. Too much potential for sides at 500 for your first time. You want your first cycle to go as smooth as possible with few sides. That being said, nobody figures it all out before they try their first cycle. There's a lot of learning that goes on during a cycle and also by making mistakes as everyone on this board has at one time or another. Keep doing your research and asking questions until you feel reasonably comfortable with what your about to do. Lots of people here with lots of experience to help you out.
 
I would definetly consider running test e with your var if I were you. Var won't give you much gains on its own. Remember to up your calories and eat A LOT of protein to get the most benefits from this cycle. With or without steroids, you should be able to break throgh any plateau if you increase your food intake. Food should be your number 1 priority. Gear will do nothing unless you eat a lot of good food. You may even consider upping your calories and training naturally for another month to see the anabolic effects food has on you body??
 
Nothing wrong with running var alone imo, it will supress your hpta so proper pct protocol is mandatory. I think 250mg/week test is good for a first cycle, one 10ml bottle is nine weeks of test then start the var last 5 weeks you'll be very happy with the results, i know I've done it, I found the var to dry out my joints but helped with cutting belly fat
 
Yeah, I believe that lower calories have sorta always been the reason for my plateaus, I've generally been more focused on losing fat than building muscle. Putting on weight has never been to much of an issue for me. It funny the guy I got all the var seemed surprised that I would want the nolva, and the friend thats getting the test for me seems to think 500mg/EW would be really low. Whats with the people I'm seeing in person and being so hardcore or careless ha?

Gear will do nothing unless I eat a lot of food?
What if I'm not trying to use it to get huge, but rather, rip myself out and get a lot stronger?
Essentially my goals are strength gains and fat loss, being a gorilla isn't exactly on my to do list, but if it happens I can deal with it hah.
Are high calories really an absolute necessity with steroids?\
High protein I was def planning but wasn't thinking calories so much...

and to meluvprop you recommend to rather take the test 4 weeks and then start using the var with it for 5? That leaves me with three weeks worth of var at the dosage I had been planning. Also, I'm likely going to buy two bottles of test, so i'll have 20ml of test and 3000mg of var. Do you think this would be used better split up into two separate cycles. (9 weeks test with last 4 having 50mg-var-ED) and just save the whole other cycle for the fall?

I really don't know what to do here...
 
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I personally found eating more good food broke me through plateaus. You won't gain strength if you don't have enough fuel in your body. If you want to cut, no prob in keeping your calories low because the gear will hold the muscle for you, but you need more calories to build more muscle to get stronger... Unless you're using tren, which for some reason seems to build muscle on a low calorie diet for most people, but tren is a super strong drug with many side effects. Not something to be messed with!!
 
spriing
its your first cycle, you will see really great results with minimal doses, I would run the test at 250mg/wk and 30mg var ed.
You have 3000mg var, so 100 days worth at 30mg, maybe try 40mg if you feel the need, I would save some var for the next cycle, you wont need it all for your first cycle imo but its your call
I personally have seen a good result from a lower test dose a little help from a moderate dose of test. I ran 50mg eod prop, an almost unheard of dose since its so low, for 8 weeks, then at week four I added 30mg var and was very happy with the leaness and look I got from it. That being said I hadn't cycled for 4 years while I was married so my receptors were clean by the time I was divorced, almost like a first cycle I presume.
 
I'm finding it incredibly difficult to gauge the dosages here. Some people say 30mg var is fucking pointless and 250 test is pussy. Some people say I need way more then nolva, milk thistle, multi, and trib. Some say thats total over kill. I'm getting the test tomorrow and will have almost everything for this cycle, and am planning on using in the next couple weeks or so. Still putting a lot of thought into this, and I appreciate any, and every ones advice on the matter.
 
I don't know why there are so many anavar only cycles. You will look and feel so much better with a small amount of Test P in there, Test C if need be.
 
Hah, well shit now I just want some forma-stanzol but really dont have a clue where I could get that. I suppose I could ask my supplier, but it isn't likely a commonly carried drug is it?

Today I got my TestE250, and all the supplies to go with it.
So I have that, the var, and nolva as far as the drugs go.
Other then that I'm just reading about PCT every day, and I'm thinking about some other drug, or looking into other natural AI's. That the main thing I have to figure out now.... the more shit I read, the less satisfied I am with Nolva, trib, a multi, zma as a PCT. That and getting the balls to poke myself.
 
I ran an anavar only cycle and didnt feel like I got any benefit from it. Winstrol, now that's another story, that stuff makes me strong as a horse and I grow like crazy on it. Draw back is it really screws with my prostate
 
You can get the formastanzol from mrsupps.com under research chemicals.

Also look into getting hcgenerate from needtobuildmuscle.net to keep you from getting surpressed as far as you would without it. Good stuff and is sold out usually before it's back in stock. Presales are what they call it. You can also get it from shreadedsports.com but I had a bad experience with them. The shipping took fooooooooorever and every time i called it was o it's shipping today... Sooo ull get your product but it can take a bit. Need2s site is sick and they deliver very quick :) nothing but great reviews for tht place. Ur kinda lucky because they should be getting another shipment in soon. I'll be buy 10 bottles myself! And I have 5 on hand. If that pushes u in the direction of making sure you have it, good, it should.

N2guard for on cycle support from needtobuildmuscle.net one of the best support supps you can have for on cycle. Will protect everything you need. Bp, cholesterol, liver and a ton of other thing. Look it up. There are a bunch of threads on this stuff.

You would take the formastanzol @ 10 pumps (to get it's anabolic effects ;)), hcgenerate @ 5 caps spread through out day and n2guard all during cycle. Then continue taking the formastanzol at 5 pumps for 4 weeks during pct and taper to 3 pumps during weeks 4-6.

Then for your pct natty way supps. Look into unleashed and post cycle from needtobuildmuscle.net these you will take for the first 4 weeks of pct.

And since you have it you can toss the nolva in @ 20mgs Ed for the 4 weeks. But from all the research I have done, it's optional at that point. And all the supps your taking would negate the need for it.

There are a bunch of threads going through all the reasons why nol and clomid are not good for you. And reasons why taking this natty approach is much better and works!

Hope this helps...

Also if you wanna get the most out of your cycle you can look at adding in needtoslin and gear from needtobuildmuscle.net bit are said to be awesome. Although I have not tried them yet, but will be very soon.
 
I'm just really not all that big on buying random things from sites I dont know... I mean I don't bother buying a single supp in canada, because even just protein is waaaaay cheaper to have delivered to my door from body building.com
But so many of these roid based sites seem fishy to me. Mind you the products that you, and others keep recommending do seem to be great.... I just.. dont know
 
Ya know rage it's funny, I kept thinking about you tonight at work.
I mean here I am, an absolute noob to this whole world, and here you are, an experienced bro giving me your best advice towards my cycle.
And me? Well, I don't listen, and whats the reason for ignoring these amazing things like N2G, HCGen, and Forma?
Well quite frankly I'm already about seven hundy deep and I don't want to go any further then that.
So quickly I went from "anavar only cycle" because I "could never see myself doing needle drugs".
Couple weeks later I find myself injecting a couple ccs of test in my ass, yesterday.
A bunch of bros suggest to me that I should really add in some test, and I just go ahead and do it.
But you give me great advice as to keeping these gains that I'll have payed so much for, and I just shrug it off?
Stupid! Suddenly I feel like a fucking retard. A retard with a sore butt! haha
Pay the money to make the gains, but be to cheap to keep them?
So to you I say thank you, I wish I was smart enough to listen to you.
 
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