Anavar Cycle Questions ?

[deezy1225]

Hey guys im planing on doing an Anavar cycle for 8 weeks @ 40mg a day, i was also going to supplement some creatine. i know i wont gain a lot of weight but i will lose a little fat and trade that for muscle witch i think will look good. my questions are

-what kind of gains would i realistically be looking at with a spot on diet and good training?

-i have some m1t lying around, would i be able to add that in for the first 3 weeks to add a little more mass? (i have milk thistle stocked for the entire 8 weeks)

- i have all kinds of PCT but i was just planning on using PP's Test Recovery Stack na d maybe some tribulus. Is that enough or will i need more?

if i could get some feed back for you guys that would be great

Thanks

 

[OMEGA]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiloZd1H4ow&feature=related

 

[SpyWizard]

So, is this your 1st cycle??

and have you run var before??

 

[deezy1225]

So, is this your 1st cycle??

and have you run var before??

yeah its my first, im still virgin to all of this, so no i have never used var before.

 

[SpyWizard]

hmmmm..

well, you are on the right track, can you provide more information

age
training experience
goals
diet
that' sort of thing,

thanks

 

[deezy1225]

hmmmm..

well, you are on the right track, can you provide more information

age
training experience
goals
diet
that' sort of thing,

thanks

age 22
training since i was 15
my goal is to add a few extra pounds of solid lean muscle
i think my diet is at its best im taking in 4000-4500 clean cals a day lots of protein lots of carbs

my over all goal is to gain 20-25 lbs lean and maintain that, i know thats not going to happen with this cycle but i am patient, i have a quality over quantity outlook

 

[deezy1225]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiloZd1H4ow&feature=related

that was so random but it was jokes lol

 

[SpyWizard]

age 22
training since i was 15
my goal is to add a few extra pounds of solid lean muscle
i think my diet is at its best im taking in 4000-4500 clean cals a day lots of protein lots of carbs

my over all goal is to gain 20-25 lbs lean and maintain that, i know thats not going to happen with this cycle but i am patient, i have a quality over quantity outlook

thanks,

I would and have always recommended test only, in your case you are already doing a great job at your age and stats.

The compounds you are listing will not do what you want them to do, at your age, your test levels should be very elevated anyway, thus we must look to your diet and training..

You listed what the combination will accomplish, however, most guys your age should not do steroids, it's that plain and simple the sides are just too harsh and the end results are not always keepable.

I have run test/var and love the combination, it works for me very well, but i run it for a cutting cycle, which is high protein (500 grams) fish oils and not more than 100grams complex carbs..

With that, i will maintain weight, or lose 5-8 lbs but will drop 3-5% bf.. How do i do that?? muscle weighs more than fat, your metabolism is increased, and it's an estimate..

If you were to run it as a bulker (6000 cals) the var would add strength, but could also increase blood pressure as well. Test would suppress you and you would basically be replacing your current level of test production, thus the reason to not take steroids before the age of 25, or unless you are going to be competing and you have the genetics..

another reason to run test only in a 1st cycle is you will be able to tell what the compound is doing for you, with 2 or more you don't know which compound is causing the sides you don't want..

Hope that helps..

 

[deezy1225]

thanks,

I would and have always recommended test only, in your case you are already doing a great job at your age and stats.

The compounds you are listing will not do what you want them to do, at your age, your test levels should be very elevated anyway, thus we must look to your diet and training..

You listed what the combination will accomplish, however, most guys your age should not do steroids, it's that plain and simple the sides are just too harsh and the end results are not always keepable.

I have run test/var and love the combination, it works for me very well, but i run it for a cutting cycle, which is high protein (500 grams) fish oils and not more than 100grams complex carbs..

With that, i will maintain weight, or lose 5-8 lbs but will drop 3-5% bf.. How do i do that?? muscle weighs more than fat, your metabolism is increased, and it's an estimate..

If you were to run it as a bulker (6000 cals) the var would add strength, but could also increase blood pressure as well. Test would suppress you and you would basically be replacing your current level of test production, thus the reason to not take steroids before the age of 25, or unless you are going to be competing and you have the genetics..

another reason to run test only in a 1st cycle is you will be able to tell what the compound is doing for you, with 2 or more you don't know which compound is causing the sides you don't want..

Hope that helps..

thanks there is some usefull stuff in there but what i was leaning towards was a var only cycle, i have done m1t before and i gained 11lbs but i lost 5 of them .I have some left over from b4, i just was asking to see if it would be benificial to me if i added that to the cycle to add a little mass? is it ok to have 2 orals together or is it not safe? if not i would just stick to the var only. I know test is best but like you said i am still a little young so i don't want do jump that deep into AAS yet. i chose var because from my research i read that it isn't that suppressive, so i figured i could bounce back fairly easily with a modest pct

 

[deezy1225]

any one else have any input, feedback, info or experiences that they would like to share on the topic?

 

[dabuffguy]

age 22
training since i was 15
my goal is to add a few extra pounds of solid lean muscle
i think my diet is at its best im taking in 4000-4500 clean cals a day lots of protein lots of carbs

my over all goal is to gain 20-25 lbs lean and maintain that, i know thats not going to happen with this cycle but i am patient, i have a quality over quantity outlook

If that's your overall goal, a first cycle with test E 500mg will get you the better part of the way there.

Quality over quantity? In terms of lean muscle gains, lean is quality whether is comes slow or fast. I know you mean you don't want to hold a bunch of water and stuff. In my book that's not gains of any kind.

A var only cycle is a decent choice. Some people have reported shedding fat and gaining like 6 or 7 pounds to their frame, which if you can't the fat poundage lost, is 8+ solid pounds.

I'd go atleast 50mg, and ideally 60mg. But really, a low dose, like 500mg test usually doesn't yield many sides and little bloat.

 

[deezy1225]

If that's your overall goal, a first cycle with test E 500mg will get you the better part of the way there.

Quality over quantity? In terms of lean muscle gains, lean is quality whether is comes slow or fast. I know you mean you don't want to hold a bunch of water and stuff. In my book that's not gains of any kind.

A var only cycle is a decent choice. Some people have reported shedding fat and gaining like 6 or 7 pounds to their frame, which if you can't the fat poundage lost, is 8+ solid pounds.

I'd go atleast 50mg, and ideally 60mg. But really, a low dose, like 500mg test usually doesn't yield many sides and little bloat.

u got it exactly. i really don't want the water weight, i have the test e and i have eq but i decided that i want to do something a little lighter first because i dont want to shut down my natty test just about yet and im in a position ware a cant gain to much weight to fast so its another reason to stay away from test right now

 

[dabuffguy]

u got it exactly. i really don't want the water weight, i have the test e and i have eq but i decided that i want to do something a little lighter first because i dont want to shut down my natty test just about yet and im in a position ware a cant gain to much weight to fast so its another reason to stay away from test right now

Anavar will shut down your natty test. Every AAS does.

Honestly, test E is light on your system as it won't totally rape your cholesterol levels and increase your liver values. Besides, Testosterone is a native hormone, oxandrolone is a foreign substance.

A little bloat never hurt anyone. Run proviron and an AI as needed and bloat will be minimal. Also, using DEFINITION from Nelson Montana's lineup will keep bloat down. Do cardio and eat clean as well. Just say you're on creatine and it makes you bloated cuz creatine mono will bloat lots of people. Just lie, if the people you are worried about knowing or noticing aren't naive and know, like my family are all athletic and know what aas does and what otc supplements don't do.

 

[deezy1225]

Anavar will shut down your natty test. Every AAS does.

Honestly, test E is light on your system as it won't totally rape your cholesterol levels and increase your liver values. Besides, Testosterone is a native hormone, oxandrolone is a foreign substance.

A little bloat never hurt anyone. Run proviron and an AI as needed and bloat will be minimal. Also, using DEFINITION from Nelson Montana's lineup will keep bloat down. Do cardio and eat clean as well. Just say you're on creatine and it makes you bloated cuz creatine mono will bloat lots of people. Just lie, if the people you are worried about knowing or noticing aren't naive and know, like my family are all athletic and know what aas does and what otc supplements don't do.

hmm, but iv been reading that it dosnt shut u down as hard?

so ur sayin add some test with the anavar, or test only ?
-how much (remember its my first cycle) ?
- what kind of pct is recommended ?(i have an idea, just to clarify )
- how long would the cycle have to be to get some decent results?
what kinda gains am i looking at ?

 

[jroc86]

hmm, but iv been reading that it dosnt shut u down as hard?

so ur sayin add some test with the anavar, or test only ?
-how much (remember its my first cycle) ?
- what kind of PCT - post cycle therapy - is recommended ?(i have an idea, just to clarify )
- how long would the cycle have to be to get some decent results?
what kinda gains am i looking at ?

Hey bro, the choir will always preach to use test for your first cycle; however, I know alot of bros that have used compounds like anavar, or Eq solo for their first and accomplished their goals and maintained much better than the dudes who go on test, become superman gain 20 lbs - and end up keeping 8.

BTW if your getting legit var 40mg ed is plenty ... and it is a very mild compound thats extremely under-rated anabolically.

Just google thins like "oxandrolone collagen synthesis" or "oxandrolone HPTA" or "oxandrolone use in children" and your find dozens of legit studies that expose the benefits of var.

Not everyone wants/needs to massive jacked, and if your looking to improve your current physique without garnering the 'roidhead' stigma a var only is a smart choice.

Id suggest;
Week 1-6: 40mg var ed
Week 1-6:25 mg proviron(to keep what test ive got left actually free)
Week 7-10:50mg clomid and 20-20-10-10

 

[dabuffguy]

hmm, but iv been reading that it dosnt shut u down as hard?

so ur sayin add some test with the anavar, or test only ?
-how much (remember its my first cycle) ?
- what kind of pct is recommended ?(i have an idea, just to clarify )
- how long would the cycle have to be to get some decent results?
what kinda gains am i looking at ?

Hmm, maybe. I'm not so sure about it being less suppresive. I honestly have heard that as well quite a few times. I'm no expert by any means, but I know that all aas will shut you down. Some maybe harder than others.

Your body produces it's own certain amount. If you substitute it with a synthetic, or even bio-identical, it will gradually stop producing it's own because it doesn't need to.



You don't HAVE to add test with var. Remember your body needs actual testosterone in the body to function properly. Oxandrolone is not produced by the body and introducing that and completely substituting your natural testosterone with something other than testosterone is less ideal. In fact (not any data to support this and my personal opinion) it's probably unhealthy.

I suggest you run 200mg test a week and 50 mg anavar every day (if you know it's pharm grade stuff like oxandrin, 40mg is plenty. UG var is probably pretty underdosed or even winny and not var. If you use proviron you should have absolutely zero bloat. 200mg isn't too far pass what a high natural level would be.


I've ran var before myself with tbol on an all oral cycle and I got great results. However, I would suggest to others for a first cycle to do testosterone, and if they want an oral booster, any oral really is good, but dbol is the #1 choice for most.

 

[layinback]

oxandrolone is suppressive. no debate, no argument, fact.

i've ran several anavar only cycles with fantastic results.

anavar cycles need to run 10 weeks for optimum results

longer duration on smaller dosage is better than short duration

on high dose.

if you keep the dose sane, liver values are rarely an issue. HDL

is the issue with oxandrolone.

in the hands of an experienced bodybuilder oxandrolone will help

shed trunk fat and increase LBM. i am on pharm ox and NOTHING

compares to this drug.

i'm tired it's late. do the homework and use proper ancillaries

and yes test makes a good stack with var. 250 mg wk would

be plenty with 40 mg ox. if that is a legit product and properly

dosed, 40 mg will knock your fucking dick in the dirt. 30 mg

pharmaceutical is equal to about 80 - 100 mg of UG crap

 

[deezy1225]

Wow u guys have been amazing, i just learned a boat load of stuff that i was completely unaware of. so i have to thank you guys for opening my eyes on that one

i cant get my hands on any proviron at the moment so im thinking of adding a small dose of test e into the mix like 200-250 mg. just so i can keep the gf happy.

if thats what my cycle looked like how long would be ideal? what would a good pct look like ?

i have PP's test recovery stack and i really want to try that because i have only herd good things, i HCG, i dont know if that will be necessary. just need to know if i need to pick anything up b4 i start

anavar @ 40 mg ED weeks 1-8
test e @ 200-250 mg weeks 1-8
............

 

[dabuffguy]

Wow u guys have been amazing, i just learned a boat load of stuff that i was completely unaware of. so i have to thank you guys for opening my eyes on that one

i cant get my hands on any proviron at the moment so im thinking of adding a small dose of test e into the mix like 200-250 mg. just so i can keep the gf happy.

if thats what my cycle looked like how long would be ideal? what would a good pct look like ?

i have PP's test recovery stack and i really want to try that because i have only herd good things, i HCG, i dont know if that will be necessary. just need to know if i need to pick anything up b4 i start

anavar @ 40 mg ED weeks 1-8
test e @ 200-250 mg weeks 1-8
............

You'll want an AI just in case. I'd run the test 10 weeks. If it was test prop, 8 weeks would be great. Test E or C doesn't start showing results til 2 or 3 even 4 weeks in for some.


If you aren't going to run th evar the same length as test (if you ran test 10 weeks, just kep the first 2 weeks test only. You won't see any results but week 3 and 4 will be the first weeks you start seeing results and they will be good.

 

[deezy1225]

so if my diet is 5000 clean cals ED

and i run

test e @ 200mg for weeks 1-10
anavar @ 40mg from weeks 3-10

then say nolva and the Test Recovery Stack from PP for pct ? should i use HCG?

anything you guys would recommend to keep bloat down or any other alternative to nolva?

 

[dabuffguy]

so if my diet is 5000 clean cals ED

and i run

test e @ 200mg for weeks 1-10
anavar @ 40mg from weeks 3-10

then say nolva and the Test Recovery Stack from PP for pct ? should i use HCG?

anything you guys would recommend to keep bloat down or any other alternative to nolva?

What's your height and weight?

5000 calories is too much unless you are a huge tall guy.

4000 is plenty.


Nolva won't help with bloat. Use arimidex or aromasin. But at 200mg a week test, you really shouldn't have any symptoms of sides at all.

 

[deezy1225]

What's your height and weight?

5000 calories is too much unless you are a huge tall guy.

4000 is plenty.


Nolva won't help with bloat. Use arimidex or aromasin. But at 200mg a week test, you really shouldn't have any symptoms of sides at all.

im 5'7 165 but im an ecto and im pretty active so i need that much.

arimidex or aromasin illegal or gan i get it from any o.t.c. sup store?

 

[dabuffguy]

im 5'7 165 but im an ecto and im pretty active so i need that much.

arimidex or aromasin illegal or gan i get it from any o.t.c. sup store?

No, you don't.

I'm 6'2" 215 right now, and I don't need that much, and I'm an ecto. I used to be 165 lbs at 6'2" and 4000 calories a day has allowed me to grow to 220 keeping BF% under 12, now trying to cut for the summer the reason I am 215 now.




Aromasin and arimidex are prescription drugs. They are not legal to have, but they are not a controlled substance like steroids or heroin. You can buy them from board sponsors here. AG guys and 4rx both sell them.

 

[deezy1225]

No, you don't.

I'm 6'2" 215 right now, and I don't need that much, and I'm an ecto. I used to be 165 lbs at 6'2" and 4000 calories a day has allowed me to grow to 220 keeping BF% under 12, now trying to cut for the summer the reason I am 215 now.

trust me dude i have to eat 3500-4000 cals just to maintain the weight i'm at, i want to bump it up to 5000 cals for my cycle not only to help add weight but also the anavar is going to shed some of my body fat anyway

 

[goku_kakarot77]

im against more is better in terms of using gear, but 200mgs test e will not do much, its pretty much what people cruise on, 400-500mgs ew test is better imho and 8 weeks is short 10 weeks of var and test is good, just my 2cc

eace

 

[deezy1225]

im against more is better in terms of using gear, but 200mgs test e will not do much, its pretty much what people cruise on, 400-500mgs ew test is better imho and 8 weeks is short 10 weeks of var and test is good, just my 2cc

eace

i have decided to bump it to 250mg e/w,

I was originaly not going to include test at all but i decided to add a little in for sex drive reasons. the gf will not be happy if i cant rise to the occation

 

[deezy1225]

so how does that look overall for a first cycle?

250mg test e weeks 1-10
40mg anavar weeks 3-10
pct

 

[thebadguy54]

You are 22 years old and 165 pounds! Why are you using gear?

You don't need gear bro, you need food.

You should be able to get to 185-190 pounds by the time you are 25 years old even if you have no clue how to train or eat.

Worry about using gear after you've learned how to train and eat... when you are over 25 and over 185 pounds.

Throw the M1T in the garbage and sell the var.

 

[sdever]

Are you saying var will shut your dick down ??? i did a cycle of 50mg of var for 6 weeks and my dick is not working very well . i never connected the two. i'm also on 300mg of test c

oxandrolone is suppressive. no debate, no argument, fact.

i've ran several anavar only cycles with fantastic results.

anavar cycles need to run 10 weeks for optimum results

longer duration on smaller dosage is better than short duration

on high dose.

if you keep the dose sane, liver values are rarely an issue. HDL

is the issue with oxandrolone.

in the hands of an experienced bodybuilder oxandrolone will help

shed trunk fat and increase LBM. i am on pharm ox and NOTHING

compares to this drug.

i'm tired it's late. do the homework and use proper ancillaries

and yes test makes a good stack with var. 250 mg wk would

be plenty with 40 mg ox. if that is a legit product and properly

dosed, 40 mg will knock your fucking dick in the dirt. 30 mg

pharmaceutical is equal to about 80 - 100 mg of UG crap

 

[layinback]

Are you saying var will shut your dick down ??? i did a cycle of 50mg of var for 6 weeks and my dick is not working very well . i never connected the two. i'm also on 300mg of test c

it is suppressive. it'll cut your natural test off.

 

[deezy1225]

oxandrolone is suppressive. no debate, no argument, fact.

i've ran several anavar only cycles with fantastic results.

anavar cycles need to run 10 weeks for optimum results

longer duration on smaller dosage is better than short duration

on high dose.

so would u guys recommend that i drop the var down to 30 mg instead of 40mg and run it for 10 weeks instead of 8 weeks ??