Anavar/Clen/ECA

[bigpoppadrew]

Hey bros, how would a good anavar cycle with clen and eca go?
I was thinking:
Anavar 40mg/ED - Weeks 1-8
Clen 60mcg working up to 100mcg in a 2 days on 2 days off roatation - Weeks 3-4, 7,8
ECA/ED - Weeks 1-2, 5-6
Creatine - Weeks 1-12

I am not looking for massive gains, 10-15 lbs of hard lean muscle and some decent strength gains, I want to get really cut however. My main area of concern is with the clenbuterol, is this a good method 2 on 2 off? I know many people have diff opinions just looking for some input. Also should I do the 2 weeks on 2 weeks off method or just do it straight through? If I did it straight through should I do it at the end of the cycle for the last 4 weeks or for more?
Thanks guys

 

[bigpoppadrew]

bump

anyone?

 

[Tha One CrumCake]

Bump.

 

[strengthmonster]

2 week rotation of clen and ECA is excellent for fat loss.
Anavar will give you some gains but don't expect miracles. Creatine may help your muscle energy reserves which will be low due to diet & fat loss.

Remember the most important thing for this to be sucessful is your diet. Eat clean and get enough protein so that you do not get muscle wasteage.

 

[gurupimp6969]

Why would he wanna use Creatine? Most of the time it creates water retention and bloating, if he is trying to cut wouldn't you wanna say to lay low on the creatine? Just a novice question.

 

[Stubby2]

Dont take the creatine and ECA at the same time... the caffeine will be driving water out while the creatine will be trying to get it in yer muscles...

STUBS

 

[bigpoppadrew]

Thanks for the replies. Creatine has amazing effects when used with anavar... maybe I should make this 2 seperate cycles? because creatine really should be used with the anavar. I remember reading that as well about caffeine in the eca and that it shouldn't be taken with creatine, just slipped my mind. So maybe I should do the clen/eca only cycle and get in lots of cardio, I will get my diet worked out later but I am looking to go from 12% bf to about 7-8%. The clen should help ratain my muscle right? I remeber reading eca is anti-catabolic so it shouldn't burn my muscle off either right? as long as I keep protein high of course. Then I will do the anavar/creatine after (I am taking creatine now so I'll stop creatine b4 the eca/clen), I should be able to put on 10-15lbs of solid muscle though as it would be my first cycle.

 

[Star]

the 2 day on and 2 day off is nonsense for Clen. The half life of it means it is still in your bod the whole time and it's a waste. Try one week one then off. If you want to avoid the crash......2 wks on and 2 wks off if you don't mind it. I am going to post a link to an excellent thread about this.
http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=37786

Star

 

[overrx]

10-15 lbs is quite a bit just using anavar isnt it? i thought it was mostly to increase strength with only slight mass increases

 

[gurupimp6969]

honestly from what I know. This is what I would do. Anavar and creatine, load the creatine for two weeks and then go half loading meaning the dose of loading is usually 20gms aday do like 15 for two weeks. Then after that cut yourself up with the eca and clen.

 

[bigpoppadrew]

10-15 lbs is quite a bit just using anavar isnt it? i thought it was mostly to increase strength with only slight mass increases

Most users are claiming gains 10-15lbs sometimes more with great strength increases on 40-50mg/ED anavar only cycles.
I see where you are coming from gurupimp, most people cut after bulking. Howerer anavar doesn't cause fat gain or water bloat so it would not matter if I took it after cutting IMO. The creatine would cause retention but that would go away after the cycle anyway so I am not too concerned with that. Also I want to keep all the strength and muscle gains that I am going to get after the cycle so I think that by doing the anavar after cutting I would be able to reatain most if not all of my gains.
That was a great thread Star, help a lot and I see the reason for not doing 2 on 2 off now, makes sense. She still refers to clen as being mildly anabolic though after she states that is has no anabolic properties earlier. Either way, I am not overly concerned about it being anabolic just as long as I don't lose a lot of muscle.

 

[Stubby2]

CLEN IS anabolic.... but only in animals unfortunatly

STUBS