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As a woman, I originally posted in the women's section but decided to cross post for broader responses.

I'm interested in anavar for gains in strength & performance (appearance is irrelevant) but I have to ensure it will not reduce/inhibit my VO2 max.

Please note I am not referring to the useless supplement called "vo2 max". I am referring to actual vo2 max: the lab-tested measurement of volume of oxygen which reflects your cardio capacity. It also does not necessarily have much correlation with your *perceived* cardio performance.

I need to pass a very particular fitness test which is very demanding of strength and stamina, while also requiring certain numbers for my VO2 max.

Creatine, leucine, resveratrol are known to bring down vo2 max. As is tren & clen.

Is anyone here athletic, not just about bodybuilding, with experience of how anavar affects VO2 max numbers in lab tests?
 
I've never had any issues with cardio but the shin pumps are so wicked it's hard for me to do any form of cardio I normally stick the tire flips the Battle ropes and stuff of that nature even walking on the stairstepper hurts my calves and shins!

What kind of cardio is it that you're doing because oxandrolone can affect your cardio but not directly...
 
And to get into more detail I believe that anavar does not have any direct affect on vo2 max
 
My cardio is interval inclines on treadmill. But perceived cardio performance is irrelevant to VO2 max numbers in a lab test. It is possible to kill it on the treadmill and have low VO2 max numbers, or to struggle and feel like you're dying on the treadmill within 5-10min but have high VO2 max numbers.
 
I don't have a choice of what cardio to do. It is a lab treadmill test hooked up to a tube to measure my VO2 max. It doesn't matter how well I feel I'm doing or how out of breath I am or not or how long I last. They measure the numbers for VO2 max and they can get you there within 10-12min. You may feel physically capable to keep going but they stop you because your VO2 max is reached, you cannot go any higher no matter how much harder/longer you work. I need above a certain threshold (42.5). Clen, tren, leucine, creatine, and resveratrol will bring that number down. I just can't seem to find info on anavar.
 
Not sure if I'm allowed to post links? I found only this seemingly reasonable speculation about correlation between vo2 max & aas more broadly.
https://www.tmuscle.co.uk/threads/vo2-max-and-steroids.6603/

Anavar (like many others) increases red blood cell count which would seem logical to help vo2 max. More red blood cells = more oxygen delivery to muscles. This is why blood doping among cyclists works to boost vo2 max and hence, performance. But according to the link above, other things may be happening with aas as well which negatively impact vo2 max.
 
Don't think you understand what I'm saying

The kinda cArdio does matter when ur on anavar cuz some cardio like sprints is almost to painful to even complete

I'm not saying for vo2 mad im saying because ur calves will feel like they are gonna pop

How can u pass ur test or get ur vo2 mad numbers if u can't even run?
 
maybe try gw501516 instead, there are many studies showing its increase in indurance.
 
U might not even last 5 min if u have legit anavar

The pumps are outta control

I'm just telling you from my personal experience and 100 others that have taken var and tried to do cardio
 
and its not androgenic so that is obviously a big bonus being a women
 
First off what is ur age of I may ask ?

I think it's a risk u take and it's not worth it if the test is that important

Cuz it could mess things up
 
Mid-30s woman. From what I read about the pumps on anavar, it is not so bad on the much lower doses women take??
 
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bigorse said:
maybe try gw501516 instead, there are many studies showing its increase in indurance.
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Yes I did notice gw501516 come up in my research. However (1) I don't have access, and (2) this is for cardio endurance, not strength, correct? I really don't need anything for cardio endurance, I'm making excellent progress naturally. Rather, I need something for strength gains for other components of the fitness test. I just need to make sure it doesn't interfere with all my vo2 max work.
 
I'm very confident that var will not affect vo2 max

And yes at a low dose ( women's dose ) the pumps will prob not be a issue

Only one way to know 100% is to try it ;)
 
Ehh there is lots we don't know

But u know like u stated earlier elevated rbc will help with ur vo2 but at the same time ur cycle duration plays a big role in it ..

Will u be doing ur testing one time or is it a repetitive test?

Are u wanting the strength as part of ur test as well ?
 
Testing one time (or as many times as it takes to pass). Interested in one conservative 4 wk cycle of anavar at 10mg/day women's dose. As I've been saying, for strength gains for strength related components of this fitness test. I just don't want it to mess up my vo2 max work for the vo2 max component of the fitness test, hence this thread. I don't need anything to assist with vo2 max. Only strength.
 
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Think u will be fine

How long do you plan to be into the cycle before you take the test?

I would hit it mid of third week or start of last week
 
Many thanks! I'm waiting for them to announce the test date. My hope is it will coincide with my cycle as you recommend.

Now bigorse has sent me down a path of researching sarms. Maybe gw at the same time, *just in case*.
 
tric24 said:
Many thanks! I'm waiting for them to announce the test date. My hope is it will coincide with my cycle as you recommend.

Now bigorse has sent me down a path of researching sarms. Maybe gw at the same time, *just in case*.
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i was just about recommend that. also ostarine and s4 i just ran and id had a small increase in strength as well as no negative effect on cardio if anything a slight improvement.
 
Also one thing know ur source cuz var is faked ...if u get dbol u can say goodbye to ur female features !!

I would suggest getting a lab max test it for your var before you take it unless you're hundred percent your sources legit
 
Great comments, thanks guys! Yes I worry about faked var. $1/10mg is on the cheap end of acceptable (shouldn't it be $2?). Lab max could be tricky to get exactly 1mg from a 20mg tab (too much powder can give the impression of other substances even if not), but I'll try.

Re SARMs, what about LGD-4033? I hear its a more potent alternative to ostarine (MK-2866)? But not clear if advisable for women? I was considering the triple stack but with lgd replacing ostarine?
 
U will be fine with lab max if u crush one pill and put a tad bi of powder out of all the lab max tests the Winstrol and anavar test is the easiest to read ! The others sometimes get kinda confusing with the uv light ect 1$ a pill is on the lower end of price range but in recent years prices have dropped a bit
 
Also, any comments re sarmssearch vs sarms1 in terms of quality & fast international shipping? Saw a recent post that sarmssearch ripped someone off, all other comments about them are really good but 2-3yrs old. The sarms1 sale prices make me nervous.
 
uniquemicals were who i used for sarms and another site which isnt a sponsor. lgd4033 has no virilizing effects as far as i am aware although it can hold water and give back pumps which will inhibit cardio ability but probably not directly vo2 max but it may make it harder to perform cardio if that makes sense?
 
All of our sponsors are good! So just so all of yall know we will not be discussing what sponsors are better than others because we sponsor top quality company's !
 
Stackinplates said:
First off what is ur age of I may ask ?

I think it's a risk u take and it's not worth it if the test is that important

Cuz it could mess things up
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^^I have to agree. If the test is this important, it's probably not worth the risk. I don't know the answer...I did a google search but couldn't find anything definitive.
 
Canada.

The test is important but if I can't pass the strength component, then it won't matter if I pass the vo2 max component anyway. And vice versa. I have to pass everything. *conflicted*
 
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I'm in Canada, too, and had no issues ordering SARMS. It's definitely a tough decision
 
So I've been reviewing var & sarms logs. I get that obviously you can train harder but one thing I'm not clear on: do you still need the same amount of recovery time between workouts? Or can one train more frequently?

Currently, my cardio is 5x/wk HIIT with time-related goals. Heavy weights 3x/wk with goal to increase load, of course. Body weight exercises 2x/wk—planks, sit ups, chin ups, etc—with goal to increase reps (or time in the case of isometric exercises).
 
well all steroids or anabolics should decrease recovery time as when you think about it muscle growth is the repairing of a muscle fibre. steroids and sarms increase protein sythesis therefor allowing faster recovery. the extent may vary from person to person but you should definatly see some benafit in recovery.
 
I have not seen any studies on Anavar and its effect on vO2 max (haven't looked). A lot of steroids will cause intense 'pumps' which can be crippling if you try to push through them. Also, just about every steroid also increase RBC count which as you mentioned before, should increase measured v02 max. I tried Test/Boldenone (Bold may be an option for you) and my endurance went through the roof. I still had pumps which would make running a marathon difficult, though smaller doses and other ancillaries could perhaps mitigate the muscle pump entirely. For now, GW Ostarine AICAR are most effective for cardio IME. There are journals out there discussing them but I don't recall where they are. gl
 
Thanks, very insightful! I'm all over the gw & osta, but about aicar, I looked into it and my understanding is it builds slow twitch muscle fibers at the expense of fast twitch, correct? Which is great for marathon-type endurance. However, I'll need my fast twitch for the explosive strength component of my fitness test.
 
tric24 said:
Thanks, very insightful! I'm all over the gw & osta, but about aicar, I looked into it and my understanding is it builds slow twitch muscle fibers at the expense of fast twitch, correct? Which is great for marathon-type endurance. However, I'll need my fast twitch for the explosive strength component of my fitness test.
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that could be true but as far as i knew you cant change the amount of muscle fibres you are born with and some supplements speculate that theu cause hyperplasia but as far as i know there is no scientific proof, but i could be wrong
 
I tried to post but my response disappeared... You're right, the scientific jury is out on whether training (or aicar) can cause a switch from fast to slow twitch.

Doesn't aicar require really high (read: expensive) doses of 500mg+/day for performance enhancement results? For ex, this article links to studies: https://thinksteroids.com/steroid-profiles/aicar/

Also, it is an injectable, not oral, correct?
 
yeah it has always been out of my price range and not really supportive of my goals. i believe you will have great results on 20mg of osta ed and 20mg of GW ed. maybe a very low dose of var like 2.5mg with the sarms would help too whilst keeping sides almost unnoticeable.
 
from what Ive heard, var will slow you down by pumping you up (quite a bit of powdered aspirin works well to counter pump for a few hours) and it seems to give the persons a higher heart rate. IMO I would run the var cycle before the PT test and get off a few weeks before .work on sprints on land and in the pool so the pump will be manageable, as well as your own strength training. get a good cycle in before and the benefits will carry over once your off without the two before mentioned sides. good luck
 
I used to use var when I was training for mid distances and I never had a problem. Even ran a 5k while taking it and didn't notice a drop in performance. I wasn't an endurance athlete per se but have a VO2 max of 64.
 
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