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str8cubano

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I've blown up with anavar@80mgs/day for 10 weeks. Now hitting Test Prop 100mg EOD, along with EQ for 10-12 weeks. Anavar killed my joints last time, but it was because of high dose, and I was lifting like a bear. Now I am just trying to cut, and I was wondering if it is worth throwing in the anavar just for fat loss properties. I didnt' see fat loss before because I was using it as a bulker ( I had my reasons for bulking with anavar ), but at a low dose of 20-40mgs, is it even worth it with current cyce.? I am also on ECA stack, low cals, and clen as well. thanks for input...
 
I dont see why not, back in the days when I first came to this board 40mg was a higher end dosage. Its only recently that dosages have jumped dramatically.
 
Run it at 40 work up to 60. Eat clean . Anavar is as anabolic as Anadrol!
Just a lot less toxic. Liv.52 fish/flax oil. Var is the shit 100mg is fucking nuts, bro.

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Anavar
(Oxandrolone)
Anavar (oxandrolone) is not very toxic, not very androgenic, mildly anabolic, and pretty mild on the body´s HPTA (Hypothalamic-Testicular-Pituitary-Axis). Those are its 4 major points, and I´d like to examine each one a bit further; as usual, gym-rumors and internet conjecture has made this steroid the subject of many misconceptions.

Anavar (Oxandrolone) Side Effects
First of all, and this will come as no surprise to many people, Anavar (oxandrolone) is quite mild on your liver. It´s probably the mildest oral steroid available today. Dosages of up to 80mgs/day are easily tolerated by most men, and most side effects often found with other steroids are not common with ´var (1). For this reason, Anavar is frequently the steroid of choice for many top level female bodybuilders and other athletes.

Anavar Dosage
Due to its being a mild steroid in every sense of the word, high amounts of Anavar dosage are needed. It binds reasonably well to the AR, but pretty high doses are still needed and I would never suggest doing less than 20mgs/day. In fact, 20-80mgs are needed to start halting AIDS related wasting(1) and recovering weight for burn victims (2) so that´s the range I´d recommend keeping your dosages in concerning this compound. Personally, I´d use 100mgs/day if I were ever going to try this stuff. Any less than this amount (20-100mgs) would be a waste. For women, however, I think 2.5-10mgs/day would suffice. Virilation is not a concern with this compound, as it is only very mildly androgenic (3). Water retention is also virtually nil with it.

Although Anavar is an oral steroid, and has been alpha-alkylated to survive oral ingestion and the first pass through the liver, it´s still relatively mild in that respect too..., the unique chemical configuration of oxandrolone both confers a resistance to liver metabolism as well as noticable anabolic activity. It would also appear that Anavar appears not to exhibit the serious hepatotoxic effects (jaundice, cholestatic hepatitis, peliosis hepatis, hyperplasias and neoplasms) typically attributed to the C17alpha-alkylated AASs. (17) Anavar has even been used successfully in some studies to heal cutaneous wounds (7), or to improve respiratory function (18). Both of these novel properties could make it a good choice for in-season use for boxers, Mixed Martial Arts competitors, and other such athletes.

Anavar and Fat Loss
Now here´s some interesting stuff for anyone interested primarily in the fat loss properties of this stuff: Anavar may be what we´d call a "fat-burning steroid". Abdominal and visceral fat were both reduced in one study when subjects in the low/normal natural testosterone range used anavar (4). In another study, appendicular, total, and trunk fat were all reduced with a relatively small dose of 20mgs/day (8), and no exercise. In addition, weight gained with ´var may be nearly permanent too. It might not be much, but you´ll stand a good chance of keeping most of it. In one study, subjects maintained their weight (re)gains from anavar for at least 6 months after cessation (2)! Concomitantly, in another study, Twelve weeks after discontinuing oxandrolone, 83% of the reductions in total, trunk, and extremity fat were also sustained (8)! If you´re regaining weight, Anavar will give you nearly permanent gains, and if you are trying to lose fat (and you keep your diet in check), the fat lost with Anavar is basically looks to be nearly permanent. Check this chart out:

Absolute change in total fat mass (A) and trunk fat (B) by dual-energy X-ray absorptiometry from baseline to study week 12 (solid bars) and from baseline to study week 24 (open bars) in the placebo (n = 12) and the oxandrolone (n = 20) study groups. Values are means ± SE. *Significant decrease from baseline, P < 0.001. Significant difference between study groups for change in fat mass from 0 to 12 wk, P < 0.001. (15)(8)

Anavar Cycles
Keep in mind this is all without any Post-Cycle-Therapy, and without any change in diet or training! And although many of the studies done on oxandrolone use elderly men or young boys as the test subjects, some evidence suggests that many of the effects of oxandrolone are not age dependant (11). If you are following the typical "time on = time off" protocol, this means you can lose a bunch of fat during your time on, then keep most (if not all) of it off until your next cycle. That makes it a great drug for athletes who are drug tested and need to be clean for their season, yet need to keep the fat/weight they lost on their cycle off& I´m thinking about wrestlers and other weight-class athletes. Anavar is also the clear choice for a "spring-cutting" cycle, to look great at the beach and you can use it up until the summer starts, and then keep the fat off during the entire beach season!

Anavar is great for strength and cutting purposes, but not for bulking or a lot of weight gain. In other words, what I´m saying is that everything you gain will be solid. Personally I am leaning towards a theory which basically purports that the more solid your gains are, the more you´ll keep (percentage-wise). It makes sense, when you think about it; people make a lot of weight gains on the highly water-retentive steroids (Dbol, A50, long estered testosteones, etc. ), but lose the greatest percentage of their gains afterwards. The same seems to be opposite for the steroids which cause less (or no) water retention (Anavar, Primo, Winstrol, etc& ).

So why else may you keep such a high proportion of what you gained on ´var? Well, I think it may be due to it´s relatively light impact on the HPTA, which brings me to my final point; Anavar will not totally shut down your HPTA, especially at lower doses (unlike testosterone, which will eventually do this even at a 100mg dose, or deca which will do it with a single 100mg dose). This could be due, at least partly, to the fact that Anavar doesn´t aromatize (convert to estrogen).

Serum testosterone, SHBG (Sex Hormone Binding Globulin), and LH (Leutinizing Hormone) will be slightly suppressed with low doses of Anavar, but less than with other compounds. FSH (Follicle Stimulating Hormone) , IGF1 (Insulin Like Growth Factor 1) and GH (Growth Hormone) will not be suppressed with a low dose of Anavar, but will actually be raised significantly (12)(13)(14) as you may have guessed, and LH will even experience a "rebound" effect when you stop using anavar (3) If your endocrine system and HPTA are funtioning normally, you should be able to use anavar with minimal insult to it, and can even keep most of your values within the normal range (5).

Thus, Anavar may even be ideal for use in bridges between cycles, (at very low doses under 10mgs perhaps), or as previously mentioned, for cutting/strength cycles at 50-100mgs.

How to Buy Anavar
It´s relatively high cost is its only major drawback when you buy Anavar. Tablets can typically sell in Mexico or on the black market for up to a dollar (1USD) per 10mgs. Many black market dealers or Underground Labs, however offer capsules, liquid form (or in some cases, even their own brand of tabs) for substantially less money than the legit pharmaceutical versions, or even veterinary versions found overseas.

Anavar Profile
[17b-hydroxy-17a-methyl-2-oxa-5a-androstane-3-one]
Molecular Weight: 306.4442
Formula: C19H30O3
Melting Point: 235  238 Celcius
Manufacturer: BTG, SPA, Originally Searle (1964)
Effective dose: (Men)20-100mgs/day (or .125mg/kg~bdywt); (Women) 2.5-20mgs.day
Active Life: 8-12 hours
Detection Time: 3 weeks
Anabolic/Androgenic Ratio (Range): 322-630:24

References:
 
ViperHMS said:
I dont see why not, back in the days when I first came to this board 40mg was a higher end dosage. Its only recently that dosages have jumped dramatically.
no shit bro.we realy should work on getting the dosage back down around here.

I think some one just wants to make more money on bigger cycles.lol
 
needtogetas said:
no shit bro.we realy should work on getting the dosage back down around here.

I think some one just wants to make more money on bigger cycles.lol

It really is getting out of hand. I think all of these ug labs and cheap bottles have people going juice crazy! I was once a victim as well. I remember a time I did around 2grams of test for a couple of weeks before thinking "wtf am I doing with all this shit in my system?!" Now I'm on 500mgs of test and with lot's of clean food and some great legal aids (mostly the amp stack) I have been gaining again.
 
c3bodybuilding said:
It really is getting out of hand. I think all of these ug labs and cheap bottles have people going juice crazy! I was once a victim as well. I remember a time I did around 2grams of test for a couple of weeks before thinking "wtf am I doing with all this shit in my system?!" Now I'm on 500mgs of test and with lot's of clean food and some great legal aids (mostly the amp stack) I have been gaining again.
my first cycle was 150mg a week deca and I got great results from it.better then any I have gotten after that.
 
str8cubano said:
I've blown up with anavar@80mgs/day for 10 weeks. Now hitting Test Prop 100mg EOD, along with EQ for 10-12 weeks. Anavar killed my joints last time, but it was because of high dose, and I was lifting like a bear. Now I am just trying to cut, and I was wondering if it is worth throwing in the anavar just for fat loss properties. I didnt' see fat loss before because I was using it as a bulker ( I had my reasons for bulking with anavar ), but at a low dose of 20-40mgs, is it even worth it with current cyce.? I am also on ECA stack, low cals, and clen as well. thanks for input...

how badly did the var affect your joints? worth getting joint lube supplements?
 
c3bodybuilding said:
It really is getting out of hand. I think all of these ug labs and cheap bottles have people going juice crazy! I was once a victim as well. I remember a time I did around 2grams of test for a couple of weeks before thinking "wtf am I doing with all this shit in my system?!" Now I'm on 500mgs of test and with lot's of clean food and some great legal aids (mostly the amp stack) I have been gaining again.

That's right baby, and I am so proud of you for making the decision not to use high dosages anymore! You were always in the 'sane' range but I love that you are taking things slow with it all. You are gaining size just as rapidly as you were on the higher dosages anyway! Speaking of which, we need to take some new pics of you Mr. Sexy :heart:

As for the Var, 40mgs should do the trick for anyone. I believe Huck had a great post my husband had saved about a low dose creatine/var cycle. Maybe you could do a search for it. There was some great info in there.
 
c3salonikaangelgr said:
That's right baby, and I am so proud of you for making the decision not to use high dosages anymore! You were always in the 'sane' range but I love that you are taking things slow with it all. You are gaining size just as rapidly as you were on the higher dosages anyway! Speaking of which, we need to take some new pics of you Mr. Sexy :heart:

As for the Var, 40mgs should do the trick for anyone. I believe Huck had a great post my husband had saved about a low dose creatine/var cycle. Maybe you could do a search for it. There was some great info in there.

ugh PDA
 
str8cubano said:
I've blown up with anavar@80mgs/day for 10 weeks. Now hitting Test Prop 100mg EOD, along with EQ for 10-12 weeks. Anavar killed my joints last time, but it was because of high dose, and I was lifting like a bear. Now I am just trying to cut, and I was wondering if it is worth throwing in the anavar just for fat loss properties. I didnt' see fat loss before because I was using it as a bulker ( I had my reasons for bulking with anavar ), but at a low dose of 20-40mgs, is it even worth it with current cyce.? I am also on ECA stack, low cals, and clen as well. thanks for input...

If you run 40mgs ED for 6 weeks sure, but 20mgs - nah too low of a dose.

here's a good anavar profile
 
digit0x said:


I'll get you a bucket to :sick: in then.
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Ela moraki mou, thank you so much for the compliments. With all that good food you cook, it's easy to gain! :p
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I also agree with Yonkers, the body can only use so much. I am going to have to look for that thread Huck started years ago that my wife had mentioned. It would be of some great help to you right now. I believe Huck came back and is still posting, let's keep this bumped for him to chime in on the subject.
 
needtogetas said:
no shit bro.we realy should work on getting the dosage back down around here.

I think some one just wants to make more money on bigger cycles.lol

I agree, its a combination of availability and cost, the first has gone way up and the ladder has gone down, it just adds to the mantra that MORE = BETTER. I am glad though it seems to be confined to some of the "safer" roids I would say. You dont see people advising to do 60-100mg of Dbol a day. I'm on my largest dosage of test right now at around 800mg/wk and i've been cycling for the better of 4 years now. I started low too at 250mg WK of some crappy Tornel(now there was a waste of money I only got 8cc out of a 10 cc bottle.)
 
ViperHMS said:
I agree, its a combination of availability and cost, the first has gone way up and the ladder has gone down, it just adds to the mantra that MORE = BETTER. I am glad though it seems to be confined to some of the "safer" roids I would say. You dont see people advising to do 60-100mg of Dbol a day. I'm on my largest dosage of test right now at around 800mg/wk and i've been cycling for the better of 4 years now. I started low too at 250mg WK of some crappy Tornel(now there was a waste of money I only got 8cc out of a 10 cc bottle.)


Tornel! My first was brovel, same deal brother, same friggen' deal. I was all excited with my two bottles but then I had only about 15ccs combined. Must have been 150mgs not 250 per cc, but damn did I love it!
 
c3bodybuilding said:
Tornel! My first was brovel, same deal brother, same friggen' deal. I was all excited with my two bottles but then I had only about 15ccs combined. Must have been 150mgs not 250 per cc, but damn did I love it!

LOL, I dont miss those Newbie days at all. 5-6 years ago there was not this huge UG scene that there is now, it was a lot harder to come by a source. Yeah I never touched tornel again, underfilled crap, but what was a newbie to do. LOL
 
digit0x said:
how badly did the var affect your joints? worth getting joint lube supplements?
The worst I have ever had. Yea, get a joint aid. Big time. From what I understand, anavar has no water retention whatsoever, that is why my joints were soar. Super strength, but no lubrication whatsover. When people blow on test or deca, they have some kind of water to the program
 
ViperHMS said:
I dont see why not, back in the days when I first came to this board 40mg was a higher end dosage. Its only recently that dosages have jumped dramatically.
I remember. I can't remember who it was that siad they would really like to hear the results for 80mgs of anavar. The problem was availability and pricing, and not everyone was willing to go with the china var. Now it is readily available.

On another note, I did 80mgs simply because I could not do test anymore due to hairloss. Now I have decided to take my chances with this cycle, for I have been on dutas/prop/minoxidil/nizoral for some time now....and I haven't shed at all on anavar at that dosage. My results where monsterous off the var, people thought I was droled up. Best gains by far. I don't think it is a waste at that dosage, just dangerous if you don't take care of your self. My liver values were high, and becasue of that cycle, I don't think I can ever do the straight bar again! :p
 
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