Anabolic Steroids=Indirect Suicide

[guest username]

Oh and our teacher has an exclusive interview with arnold schawrtz. on the subject of steroids where he actually admitted using them during an interview. <my teacher has access to some crazy stuff>. And arnold said if he could go back and change one thing in his life it would be to change the fact that he even touched steroids let alone put them in his body. One could argue he said that for his political prestige, but he looked pretty damn serious to me when he said it.

And whoever posted about monitored, small doses of anabolic steroids being safe because it would decrease the likely hood of getting the negative side effects thats common sense bro. I'll give you props for awesome sentence structure, intelligent perspective writing style, but all you're really saying is street smart common sense. -- You take less of something = decreased chance of seing not only side effects, but beneficial effects. With your theory, we should all do heroine once in a while to feel that euphoric (10 times orgasm feeling) effect to relieve stress maybe once every 6 - 7 months. If we do it this way, its safe.

Im sorry to come on so hostile and biased but anyone who even supports or tries to rationalize beneficial, recreational use of steroids needs to be slapped in the face in my opinion.

In short, the use of anabolic steroids completley changes your body chemistry and how muscles grow and develop in your body. This isn't like creatine, aminos, or protein supps that are already naturally in your body, this is like a computer virus that is completley changing your body's code.

It should be common sense. However, physician monitoring can detect when even small doses start to cause health effects. This may not be common sense.

You cannot compare heroin and anabolics. Heroin is highly addictive, and many of the heroin addicts I treat in the emergency department tell me that they wish they could go back to that first time they used heroin and not ever have used. Many have told me that they said to themselves they would use it one time to see what it's like. It's highly addictive, and many found themselves giving into cravings and becoming addicts, which is not what is intended.

At any rate, it looks like the student is fast becoming the teacher, and it appears that you've already made up your mind. So I ask you young grasshopper, why are you even eliciting opinions here if you've already made up your mind?

 

[bigrand]

Anabolic steroids arent used for health issues? You obviously dont know what you are talking about at all, nor does your teacher......Chronic renal insuficency related amemia, aplastic anemia, hypogonadalism, enhanced anabolism to combat cachexia, HRT are just a FEW reasons to use anabolic agents (nandrolone, fluoxymesterone, oxandrolone, oxymetholone, various testosterone esters)......LOOK IT UP IN A DRUG GUIDE! I work in the medical field, work with board certified endocrineologists (EXPERTS in the bodys hormone system and the use of hormones)....and you or your teacher done know what you are talking about.....ask the American Medical Association, they OPPOSED the controlling of steroids.

TESTOSTERONE doesnt have the damaging effects on lipids (there are studies on them, look them up on pub med) or the liver (these are the alkylated oral drugs only).....nandrolone and test are safer than APAP.

In fact, those drugs you speak of, glucocorticoids i see in practice all the time and they have a much worse side effect profile than androgens...evern seen what solu-medrol does to a diabetics bloog glucose?

ETOH has a much greater potential to do harm than AAS....i mean EVERYONE has testosterone in them right now, taking more does have some sides, but 90% are transient and not even a big deal (oily skin, hair loss to those prone, etc). Go to the CDC website and compare deaths caused by ETOH vs AAS....prepare to be suprised.

Im really tired of people who have no medical/scientific background pretending to be experts in medical/scientific discussions......its like me telling a mother of 12 what it feels like to give birth......lol!

Pick up a medical drug book and educatue yourself before calling others stupid.

Steroids are used for medical purposes, sports injuries etc. their main purpose is to get rid of inflammation. A star football player may injure his knee and they will inject steroids into the knee so he can finish the game and hopefully not create any permanent scar tissue. thats steroids, they dont use ANABOLIC STEROIDS for health issues lol.

As far as some notes on why this is bad? I will ask my teacher to email me his powerpoint slides so i can show you guys. I shouldnt even have to do this, you guys are all just rationalizing that they aren't bad, but i will if you insist. And to try and compare alcohol to anabolic steroids is like comparing marijuana to crystal meth.

I won't be able to convince most people here who use them, because they've already been brainwashed to the point of no return if they were retarted enough to do that to their bodies, but I can convince some other fellow weight lifters not to go down that STUPID path.

 

[bigrand]

Swatdoc, this dud doesnt know what hes talking about......changing the bodys code liek a virus? AAS are not mutagenic/carinogenic....again, someone with no science background trying to sound scientific.

 

[Elementality]

sweet jesus. everyone of you who is arguing against me about this topic is a retard and i have no sympathy for you when you all die before your hair turns grey because you used steroids. end of discussion.

 

[bigrand]

You are probably a highschool student or a liberal arts major.....honestly, if you dont understand the matter being discussed, dont pretend like you do. One health teachers info doesnt trump the info of medical doctors and researchers (again, www.pubmed.com all kinds of actuall medical journals and reasearch showing AAS use in medicine, including those that showed 600mg test a week resulted in very few if any side effects).

Your evidence is your teacher (probly a nutritionist, doesnt know shit), mine is studies and clinical practice by medical professionals......whos the retard?

You said AAS arent use in medicine....you showed complete ignorance to this topic, so yeah, end of disscussion for you.....dont belive what ONE person (who is not an expert on the issue) tells you or what you hear on 60min (people looking to be PC, not doctors). They bring up Lyle Alzado and Chris Benoit, but look at what the ACTUALL MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS AND DOCTORS SAID.....death not caused by AAS use.

The youth of todays society need to question authority and look for the truth themselves, the media wants to demonise AAS becasue the gonvernment says its bad, they do this becasue its PC, they do it with HORRIBLE case studies as argument and a lot of propaganda......kinda like with weed and saying HIV was a homosexual virus.....the truth comes out eventually, so you will see, if you arent too ignorant to open your eyes and look.........

 

[jon1320]

eep I knew i'd see one of these posts sooner or later.
I believe that anything used in moderation (however one precieves this) is fine.
Iv'e used plenty of drugs in moderation... anything from weed to heroin (half baked) haha..
And i'm in the best shape of my life, and mentally the most stable and sucsessful (sp) .

The golden rule the government wants everyone to think

***If the Government isn't directly beneffited or profitted from a matter, than It's Dangerous and Detramental***

Thats what the media, public schools, and even parents (which are media ran) have to say.
Think what you want, It just makes the end user of a great thing appreciate it that much more =]

 

[J_Merkm]

Very good information in this thread, if i may say so myslef, you sir need to recap what has just happend here. your liberal anticts and under-researched views of anabolics and their chemistry has surley shown everyone here your stupidity and un-willigness to recieve feedback...however scientifically proven the feedback is. you say you wish to make a difference? well you have not shown that in any way, quite frankly all that you have done is to come on a board dedicated to Education and insult the mebers here.

I own and operate a business training elite athletes, and i do support the ATLAS and ATHENA youth anti-steroid program (pleae read before the flame!), and a mission of mine is to train the young elite athletes and teach them the science of natural performance enhancement to facilitate their ability to reach the limits of their genetic potential. You see as a young D1 prospect with nothing to loose i took the needle, and i reaped the benefits of test, Anavar - oxandrolone - , winstrol, turnabol, and many others and loved it; so much that i kept doing them, and found out for my self what substance abuse can cuase in a young undeveloped teen with a high natural test level to boot. I have been around this board for more than a year, READING...and becuase of the knowledge i have gained here i have been able to build kids into unbelivable athletes, and educate them on anabolics and why they shouldnt take them at this point in their lives.

I am not agaisnt anabolics, just anabolics being sold on the streets to kids withno future willing to spend 6 months savings on a "4 week Cycle". I am agaisnt the predetors out there telling my athletes they need steroids to get to college, and i am also agaisnt un-educated ass-holes telling other people what to do with their lives. I have taken steroids, i started at 15 years old, and continued for 3 years. do i regret it? NO. why? because i have the knowledge and experience that people like you will never achieve, and i have knowledge that many PES in my industry lack which i can pass on to my students.

my advice? do what ive done. God has given you 2 ears and one mouth...i prefer to take the hint and listen and learn twice as much as i talk.

-J_Merk

 

[guest username]

Am I the only one who thinks this is a fat little kid who has become the EF forum troll?

 

[blut wump]

Who cares? If he wants to learn then he'll ask questions, if he doesn't then he won't.

Give him some red for rudeness and forget about him. If he keeps it up then report him for abuse.

 

[Tatyana]

sweet jesus. everyone of you who is arguing against me about this topic is a retard and i have no sympathy for you when you all die before your hair turns grey because you used steroids. end of discussion.

Shall I find some of the papers in the New England Journal of Medicine, Lancet, British Medical Journal where they have used anabolic steroids for the treatment of some of the diseases listed?

I think you may just have realised that your position is a bit flawed, as you have resorted to personal attacks.

Also the steroids they would inject into someone's knee for inflammation are corticosteroids (what a retarded mistake ) which is a different matter entirely than anabolic steroids (which still have a medical use).

There are at least 6 listed in the British National Formulary, which is used for prescribing drugs in the UK.

Just to let you know, I don't take steroids, I was a bit taken aback to find out how common their usage is, however, there is responsible use.

After I am finished competing in natural bodybuilding, I would consider doing anabolic steroids, growth hormone, for some of the anti-aging properties that they confere.