an observation and a thought.

[strongchick]

I have learned quite a bit over the past two days.

I went off on a rampage against the 'enemy'. I responded to accusations in a thread about Jesse Jackson and affirmative action, and the attack was not subtle, though not necessarily personal.

The direct attacks came via PM's, karmas, as well as posts after I tried to defend myself - not smart on my part.

What I learned (I should say 're-learned'):

That minorities, in general, experience this sort of thing all the time in the real world. But they must not defend themselves openly. I defended myself with quotes, and instead of acknowledgement of the blatant racism, I have been told that I am above it and that I should ignore it.

Well, even intelligent people get tired, and get fooled into stepping to the level of the asses that are attacking them. So I responded with sarcasm, EXPECTING TO BE UNDERSTOOD as sarcastic negativity.

Instead, I am the one being put down. No public put down of the people that FACTUALLY began this mess - just general stuff like 'we shouldn't discuss this here' threads.

It just isn't important now that I've proven my 'innocence'. I'm supposed to be above it, so I don't need acknowledgement, right?

Wrong. I do need acknowledgement. If you folks are my 'friends', I should get this acknowledgement and show of force.

This is EXACTLY what happens in real life, and why blacks, latins, whatever, are still not in positions of real power in America.

IT JUST ISN'T COOL TO SUPPORT THESE ISSUES, EVEN IF THE PERSON IS RIGHT. The minute I stopped and paid attention, responded in kind, even though I didn't hurl expletives directly at anyone, I HAVE NO CREDIBILITY.

But people here email and PM me actually believe I DO HAVE credibility. But they won't support me in a public forum.

Lesson: if you are of color/minority, you MUST ignore reality and pretend it doesn't exist to survive. This means that you must assume that people are fair, even if they don't come out publicly to say so or defend you.

You don't have to respond to this - it is MY lesson. It is MY observation. It is MY trip down reality lane.

This is why in our generation, racism will NOT be eradicated. We are all too weak and ineffectual. We are content with banter, but we won't back it up with our spines.

I am also guilty. I must never assume that I will receive public support when I am trod upon. If I am so "strong", then I should weather the storm with intelligence and ignore it all, never stopping to answer. The minute I do, _I_ am the fool.

Sound like common sense, eh? Well....imagine working at a company where you are the only minority. Imagine your boss takes unfair measures against you because of your color. Now imagine all the white people standing around, ignoring the unfair treatment, while taking it offsides and speaking to you in the lunchroom about how unfair it is, yet they do nothing to support you publicly. This is how I view what has happened at Elite on these few threads over the past two days. I am the disgruntled worker tired of the idiocy and fought back, only to watch support fall away.


What goes in real life also goes in cyberspace.

 

[cure]

DO US ALL A FAVOR. I UNDERSTAND BOTH YOUR POINT AND OTHERS, BUT PLEASE STOP CREATING SO MANY FUCKING THREADS CONCERNING THIS. IT IS TAKING THE WHOLE BOARD UP!!!!!!!!!!! THANKS YOU!!!!!!!!1

 

[gymnpoppa]

Strongchick, I believe you have made your point, and you have forced members of Elite to take notice. That is all you can do.

If you post silly-ass threads, or threads of a sexual nature....or other childish, immature, garble. You'll be well-received, and even liked. That is the nature of this board. You can post the most childish, insignificant ramblings, and generate a multitude of equally childish responses.

I have taken note of what you've said, and the responses, and as you noted, it will never swing in your favor. I'm sure you know this, and it is probably a source of your frustration. My .02.

 

[Hannibal]

What you should have taken from this is....your arguement is VERY valid....although slanted by a very hard to understand attempt at "sarcasm". Your sarcasm needs serious work. Believe me I am as sarcastic as they come, and I argee with most of what you said....but the way you say it leaves me

And you cant stand in a puddle of water, in a thunderstorm, waving a big metal pole around, and screaming "fuck you"...and then complain because no one came to save you when you got hit by lighitening repeatedly.

Also....eliminate "you people" from your vocabulary....sarcasm or not....the very people that agree with you may be hit by that stereotype brushstroke.

According to your previous arguements....I'm a white guy....so I am the enemy. I am under 30...so I am foolish. I am a gear user...so I am a noodlenecked coward. I am against Afirm Action...so I must be a sorry individual if I have to worry about someone else taking my job.

Now tell me this....even if I agree with your arguements, which I agree with the principles...not the way you present them. Why after all that...would I choose to stoop down to the "mudslinging level" that you placed yourself on and defend you. Why?

 

[spentagn]

Good, level-headed post Hannibal.

 

[danielson]

And you cant stand in a puddle of water, in a thunderstorm, waving a big metal pole around, and screaming "fuck you"...and then complain because no one came to save you when you got hit by lighitening repeatedly.

tha is one of the funniest things i've read on here

ill have to remember it

 

[smallmovesal]

it is interesting... the moment i stop posting my dumbass stuff and support something i don't think is right people like, ok let's name a name or two here... MP5 or bocepus, who before i recall saying, OMG you are hot, you and triplev and me or whatever... all of a sudden hate you and won't talk to you and start to insult you.

funny as hell because they think i care.

most of my posts are just for entertainment only... for a laugh.

 

[gymnpoppa]

Good, level-headed post Hannibal.

spentagn, this is disappointing coming from you, I expect funny, witty, smartass posts from you. I admit, this is a letdown.

 

[strongchick]

Why after all that...would I choose to stoop down to the "mudslinging level" that you placed yourself on and defend you. Why?

Why defend ME? Why get on my case when you can jump on the obvious racists? That's my point.

But this has become about ME. When really, the bullshit perpetuated on this board is perpetuated by ignoring it. You may disagree....but we allow it, so it continues.


edit: this is why racism continues in this country. Instead of addressing racism, it all comes right back to me....i'm still racist because I used 'you people' in sarcastic response to the quotes I posted - I won't post them again, but you know which ones because I posted them over and over.

Again, instead, you rail against me, when you could take this moment to decry racism.

but you don't. figures, like I said in the first post of this thread.

 

[Hannibal]

Why defend ME? Why get on my case when you can jump on the obvious racists? That's my point.

But this has become about ME. When really, the bullshit perpetuated on this board is perpetuated by ignoring it. You may disagree....but we allow it, so it continues.

I never "got on your case"...I just explained my position on the issues as you had presented them. No malicious intent....just my opinions. As to why I dont jump on the racists..and there are several here. Because racists tend to be closed minded. Whats the point? It's like arguing who's favorite team is better. If you are closed off to other opinions....then all it will result in is a schoolyard pissin contest...no thanks.

BTW...if I am going to save the world...I am not goin to use EliteFitness as the platform. That is why generally I steer clear of the "race wars" here. I got into this one....because there seemed to be some open-minded people posting.

 

[smallmovesal]

yeah hanni i hope to hell that elite is not a good sampling of the general concensus on race relations in the world today...

 

[ALIEN COMMANDER]

We may let this smallmovesal creature survive the comming human slaughter. She resembles many of our Alien females. We like them thin. However we have to chop her off at her knees so that she will be a 3 footer*

Pathetic Humans

 

[Milhouse]

Well try being an English guy in Quebec working for comapnies where your language is below the "elitists" there.
I lived there 26 years and saw some people from both sides say stupid shit which mainly came from media and politicians stirring up shit which is what happens today with racism in the US by the way.

What I mean is by generlising a few people you make yourself looked bigoted too.

Back to my Quebec thing, when I started sales in the company I would go to try to get business in certain areas and because I am english trying to speak french to some of these people I was treated like as you would say "a minority"
Did I complain? Yep at first but I just worked harder and gained their respect.

Did I hate french people because of that? Nope in fact 90% of the ones there in Quebec are great fun loving people, if you put your political bullshit and all to the side and get to know each other.

In fact my youngest brother is half "toad" himself.

All I am trying to say is dont look at the world because of a couple people that rub you the wrong way because I think honestly you attract these kind of ignorant types with your own comments. You will atrract tons of interesting people from all kinds of backgrounds who are great people if you just chill out a bit and not label yourself and them.

I remember you saying you are a carpet muncher? Well all the dykes I know as friends love me to death, and even though we dont agree on some of the issues they bring up they dont hold that against me, and me them.

If I thought all fags, dykes, spics, chinks, nips, frogs, gooks, honkies, niggers, towelheads, wops, kykes,lymies, krauts,japs, bush monkeys and porkchops were useless because they were different then I would have missed out on making many friends and enriching my own life by experiencing thier cultures.Instaed I chose to get to know all these people and even though I dont agree with how all cultures(including my own race) think and act at times I have made many friends and aquaintences with many from the above groups.
Which I put as the stereotype names to emphasise my point.

As you can tell I am not a sarcastic person.

 

[strongchick]

Well try being an English guy in Quebec working for comapnies where your language is below the "elitists" there.
I lived there 26 years and saw some people from both sides say stupid shit which mainly came from media and politicians stirring up shit which is what happens today with racism in the US by the way.


I have said over and over that the powers that be WANT us to argue over things like eoe/affirmative action. That's when I started getting more hateful posts.



What I mean is by generlising a few people you make yourself looked bigoted too.


to that I quote nordstrom:

i hate to say it but you live in a fantasy world where people are judged based on evidence and people follow who is right/wrong.

in the real world, it all comes down to perception. there is probably no evidence you commit racism. however, you are socially inferior, so you will be harassed for it while no one else will be even if the evidence is valid.

it sucks really. being socially inferior. people accuse you of crimes w/o evidence, trample your civil rights, withhold common social dignities. ah well.


Back to my Quebec thing, when I started sales in the company I would go to try to get business in certain areas and because I am english trying to speak french to some of these people I was treated like as you would say "a minority"
Did I complain? Yep at first but I just worked harder and gained their respect.


Of course. When you are the minority, it becomes a matter of survival, not tolerance, on your part. But I applaud you anyway, I guess.

 

[ALIEN COMMANDER]

Of course. When you are the minority, it becomes a matter of survival, not tolerance, on your part. But I applaud you anyway, I guess.

All humans must die. We Aliens are the Master Being. We are smarter and stronger than you. So you all shall suffer.

Pathetic Humans

 

[Milhouse]

All humans must die. We Aliens are the Master Being. We are smarter and stronger than you. So you all shall suffer.

Pathetic Humans

Warik????

 

[Sushi X]

strongchick, your point is well taken.

alien commander=may1010??

 

[strongchick]

Warik????

not possible. Warik is not intelligent.

 

[velvett]

Warik????

HAHAHAHA!

Nope not Warik. I thought it was too, so I checked the IP.

 

[bouncer]

I skipped through almost the entire thread here to say that as most people here who know me I'me very tolerent of race, colour or creed. So I brought a few questions to strongchick through a PM only to have my question twisted and I myself insulted by her stupid twisted logic.
I have never entered into a thread by strongchick and it's my first PM to her, but I swear to god NEVER AGAIN.
Strongchick your twisted angry distorted views do nothing for this board and I for one will never ever attempt to reason with your views or enter into anyother other form of communication.
I will not answer you PM and treat your last paragraph with the contempt it derserves.

Merry christmas.

Bouncer

 

[gymnpoppa]

All I am trying to say is dont look at the world because of a couple people that rub you the wrong way because I think honestly you attract these kind of ignorant types with your own comments. You will atrract tons of interesting people from all kinds of backgrounds who are great people if you just chill out a bit and not label yourself and them.

If more people thought like you and Hannibal, things would be better......for all.....sadly it's not. As for the ignorant types you mention, they have long been around this board, and Strongchick is the most ardent, resistance of any member on this board. Not talking about you or anyone else posting maturely here, but there really should be something done about those types of people on this board. There are boards for those kinds of people, and long before Strongchick ever responded with the tactics she's used lately, they were extremely derogatory towards her, and anyone who shared her views.

 

[strongchick]

I will not answer you PM and treat your last paragraph with the contempt it derserves.

Merry christmas.

Bouncer

Bouncer's note to my PM box:

Hi, just a short note here. I don't reply to your threads on ef.com as I hate racism from all side's. But why are your views so extrem ?. I work as a bouncer in a bar and club and if I stop a black person the first thing I get is the race card thrown in my face when in fact I'm one of the most tolerant people you'd meet. Are black people doing this purposely, if so why. Or is it something your brought up with and comes naturally now ?.
Martin


My response:

I was writing sarcastic threads in response to the Jesse Jackson thread about Jesse requested a black person be considered for head coach at Notre Dame. This turned into a debate about affirmative action.

I responded with questions, and I got a whole lotta crap about how blacks are taking jobs from whites, which is a load of nonsense.

It got ugly, so I posted sarcastic comments which were taken out of context by people who didn't read the other threads.

I wrote a thread about the racist words, and quoted several folks who stated them, along with a request for proof that I am a racist.

when you say 'race card', I automatically think of someone who does something wrong and uses race to get out of punishment or repercussions. I have not done this.

REad the threads before you insult me with accusations of bringing up the 'race card'.. I am clearly not doing this.

 

[bouncer]

Strongchick to me the final paragraph was insulting. I don't believe I accussed you of playing the race card. My take on your final paragraph say's your twisted, illogical and purely racist. You can not see the woods for the tree's. I believe you see a white person and make a judgement on us immediatly.

I took offence at your last paragraph, however reading it it looks as though I said it was you who played the race card, I was meaning all the previous black people I'd wrote about in the PM.
If thats the way you read it it was my mistake, you personallyhave never played the race card with me. If you deliberately decided to twist my bad grammer, and I know your an intelligent person capable of doing so, shame on you.



Bouncer

 

[strongchick]

however reading it it looks as though I said it was you who played the race card, I was meaning all the previous black people I'd wrote about in the PM.-
Bouncer

That's how I read it. Sorry for misinterpreting your intention.

All the black people I know don't pull the race card, even when in trouble, so I was immediately offended. I see your intentions were good, though.

Can we call a truce now?

 

[BO-CEPHUS]

it is interesting... the moment i stop posting my dumbass stuff and support something i don't think is right people like, ok let's name a name or two here... MP5 or bocepus, who before i recall saying, OMG you are hot, you and triplev and me or whatever... all of a sudden hate you and won't talk to you and start to insult you.

funny as hell because they think i care.

most of my posts are just for entertainment only... for a laugh.

What the fuck does this have to do with anything? Why would I hate when you stop posting all your dumbass threads? As for you being hot, well I would consider you average. I am sorry I will not be like a lot of the pussies around here and suck up to some of the women like a pathetic bitch.

You say you do not care, but we all know you do. Otherwise, you would not have persued getting a certain person banned.

 

[smallmovesal]

you don't know nothin' about me, i'm from lousiana. i learned that from sally jessy.

bo, i'd love to see you post something positive. for someone who supposedly is so perfect that they try to point out faults in others, maybe try to be a little more introspective and stop generalizing about other people you don't even really know.

 

[satanic goatslayer]

Racism is one of the best parts of life, in my opinion.

I get a lot of it directed at me, and if you really think about it, it makes for a good excuse to kill someone.

Racism affects me, but I like to use it to my advantage.

Kill whitey I suppose, but it's mostly pakis who give me flack.

Fucking rug pilots.

Suffocate them with their towels.

 

[BO-CEPHUS]

you don't know nothin' about me, i'm from lousiana. i learned that from sally jessy.

bo, i'd love to see you post something positive. for someone who supposedly is so perfect that they try to point out faults in others, maybe try to be a little more introspective and stop generalizing about other people you don't even really know.

I have never claimed to be perfect. I like everyone else have my own faults.

Post something positive? When there is something to be positive about, you can bet your ass I will be positive. I am not going to sugarcoat my thoughts so not to hurt someones feelings.

 

[smallmovesal]

so essentially you are giving yourself an excuse to be insensitive...

let me guess, you are one of those people who just claims it's "honesty"... i know i am so on the money with this one.

ding ding ding!

what do i win bob barker?

 

[satanic goatslayer]

BO-CEPHUS is good folk.

I remember the time he gutted that bell ringer and stole his money collection to buy me a new still.

Merry Christmas to you my friend.

 

[MommaKin]

Just so everybody is aware, I really want to say somethings here, but, I can't bring myself to do it. The replies from certain ppl will be immature, ignorant and insultive. Hence, I'll keep my mouth shut. If I thought for a second certain ppl could be mature and rational, I'd love to talk here.
O well..

 

[spentagn]

spentagn, this is disappointing coming from you, I expect funny, witty, smartass posts from you. I admit, this is a letdown.

My reign of terror as Mr. Smartass is only beginning. Once my name becomes recognizable around the board I'll really start fucking with people.

 

[smallmovesal]

well it just makes them look stupid lisa so just say it...

 

[BO-CEPHUS]

so essentially you are giving yourself an excuse to be insensitive...

let me guess, you are one of those people who just claims it's "honesty"... i know i am so on the money with this one.

ding ding ding!

what do i win bob barker?

Actually, you do not win shit because I have already stated that it is in fact only me being honest. But that is fine. You live your life through complete lies and I will continue to be honest. At least I can expect to have true friends and not some fake little bitch who likes you for something you are not.

Mommakin, post whatever you have to say. There is no use bringing it up if you are not going to post it. Who gives a fuck what people have to say.

 

[smallmovesal]

that made no sense... and thanks for all the swearing and calling names.

way to debate.

if you think i have blinders on you are deluded.

 

[BO-CEPHUS]

that made no sense... and thanks for all the swearing and calling names.

way to debate.

if you think i have blinders on you are deluded.

You are right. It made no sense. I had a point and then lost it. Like I said, I am not perfect.

I think you do live with blinders on. You do not want to hear anything unless it is positive towards you. You are one of those people who asks questions hoping for a certain answer. When you get the truth, you get all pissed off. You may not believe that I am being honest, but I am. You like most people do not get that. You think I am being rude. Right? Well I am not.