America haters

[FreakMonster]

did you know that your beloved ex-president bill clinton did not even speak to the CIA director for his first two years into his first term. absolutely unheard of, never ever has happened before. a sitting president not speaking to the CIA director. did you know that after TWC bombing of 93' clinton never even gave a shit and hardly mentioned the possibility of it being UBL until 96 or so. did you know that we had more attacks during clintons 8 years than during any other presidency. did you know that clinton let UBL go in 96 to of all places, afghanistan from sudan. and only after UBL was suspected of two bombings in africa did clinton bomb what he thought was a nerve gas producing facility which turned out to be an asprin factory in afghanistan. if you wanna talk about playing politics the clinton should be a case study for this subject. he purposely avoided confrontations with UBL and the muslim world during re-election time.

if your dumbass wants an investigation into 9-11, then it should start when clinton took office, when he refused to talk to the CIA director because the director wouldnt appoint someone to a position that was clintons good friend. yea, lets investigate 9-11 and everything that preceeds it, everything. UBL did not suddenly appear after january of 2001.

BLA BLA BLA, blame Clinton for 9/11. You can't blame Clinton for 9-11 because it wasn't his fault. You need to start pointing the finger at the CIA during clinton's term.

 

[spongebob]

BLA BLA BLA, blame Clinton for 9/11. You can't blame Clinton for 9-11 because it wasn't his fault. You need to start pointing the finger at the CIA during clinton's term.

can you not read peanut head??? clinton didnt talk to the CIA for two years into office. he is the commander in chief, i know thats hard to understand since he and his wife loathed the military. most of the pilot training and planning by the terrorist went on during clintons terms. bush took office in jan 01' and 9-11 was 8 months later.

do we have to keep going over this. on his watch we had WTC 93', the 96' khobar towers attack in saudi that killed 19 americans, the embassy bombings in africa, the USS cole attack and a declared jihad on all US citizens. all this and clinton bombs an asprin factory. even after the 96' khobar towers attack, just several months later UBL in sudan was allowed by the US to leave and go to afghanistan, of all places. now if you cant grasp the significance of that you need to shut your shit hole because obviously you are a one demensional thinker. mainly your hatred for bush clouds your judgement regarding UBL and 9-11.

your an obsolute moron if you dont think clinton bares some responsiblity in this. i feel sorry for your children if you have any.

 

[FreakMonster]

can you not read peanut head??? clinton didnt talk to the CIA for two years into office. he is the commander in chief, i know thats hard to understand since he and his wife loathed the military. most of the pilot training and planning by the terrorist went on during clintons terms. bush took office in jan 01' and 9-11 was 8 months later.

do we have to keep going over this. on his watch we had WTC 93', the 96' khobar towers attack in saudi that killed 19 americans, the embassy bombings in africa, the USS cole attack and a declared jihad on all US citizens. all this and clinton bombs an asprin factory. even after the 96' khobar towers attack, just several months later UBL in sudan was allowed by the US to leave and go to afghanistan, of all places. now if you cant grasp the significance of that you need to shut your shit hole because obviously you are a one demensional thinker. mainly your hatred for bush clouds your judgement regarding UBL and 9-11.

your an obsolute moron if you dont think clinton bares some responsiblity in this. i feel sorry for your children if you have any.

Gosh, your bullshit is just sickening. Where do you get your fucking information? You can't just stop terrorist attacks from happening and you sit here and blame Clinton. Fact is that in 1999, Clinton initiated a bold plan to capture or kill bin Laden by training approximately 60 members of Pakistani intelligence for the task. This was done in response to the attacks upon our African embassies.

The plot collapsed when the Pakistani Prime Minister was overthrown in a coup by General Musharraf, who remains today the leader of Pakistan. Musharraf refused to support the plot, and it withered on the vine through no fault of Clinton. But you wouldn't know this.

Did you know that the Clinton administration, acting upon information provided by the PENTAGON, launched some 66 cruise missiles into Afghanistan. These missiles were aimed at a training camp the Pentagon believed was sheltering bin Laden. The information proved to be WRONG, and bin Laden was unharmed. Again, the Clinton administration acted BOLDY, but was foiled by circumstances beyond its control.

Clinton spoke often about the need to augment America's defenses against terrorist attacks. Clinton, having presided over the first bombing of the World Trade Center, the destruction of the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, and the destruction of American embassies in Africa, knew what needed to be done.

Clinton's attempts to address the threat of terrorism against the United States were disrupted and diverted by the SAME Republicans who seek today to blame him for the tragedy.

The most potent weapon Osama bin Laden has to wield against America is his financial resources. During his administration, Clinton offered legislation that would give the Treasury Secretary broad powers to ban foreign nations and banks from accessing American financial markets unless they cooperated with money-laundering investigations that would expose and terminate terrorist cash flows.

Did you know that the legislation was killed by Texas Republican Senator Phil Gramm? When asked in September 2001 to defend his actions, Gramm responded, "I was right then and I am right now. The way to deal with terrorists is to hunt them down and kill them."

The hypocrisy behind current Republican attempts to blame Clinton for the World Trade Center attacks comes from Republican-controlled Congress of 1996, which thwarted legislation offered by Clinton that would have substantially augmented America's ability to defend against terrorist threats.

Did you know that Senator Trent Lott, with his powers as Republican Majority Leader, did everything in his power to hamstring Clinton's attempt to enact real protections against American threats in 1996. He said of Clinton's anti-terrorism measures on October 2nd, 2001 "If anything happens, if there is a terror attack, the Democrats will have to explain to the American people why they didn't pass this bill."

On January 31, 2001, the Hart-Rudman report was published. This report voiced dire warnings about threats to American security posed by terrorist attacks. Further, this report recommended the creation of an Office of Homeland Defense that would be responsible for the implementation of defensive measures to combat this threat. The Hart-Rudman report was summarily dismissed and ignored by the Bush administration.

On February 12, 1997, Vice President Al Gore delivered to President Clinton a report entitled 'White House Commission on Aviation Safety and Security.' In this report, Gore outlined numerous ways in which the airline industry could protect its aircraft and passengers from the threat of terrorism. Many, if not all of these recommendations would have gone a long way towards thwarting the September 11 attacks. Like Hart-Rudman, the warnings voiced by Gore's report were ignored by the Bush administration.

Did you know that the FAA, during the Clinton administration, proposed sweeping changes to the way security is enforced at airport checkpoints. These measures were fought every step of the way in the Republican-controlled Congress by the aforementioned airline industry lobby, to good effect. None of the changes desired by the FAA have been legislated, because the airline industry did not want to pay for them.

No credence was given to the Hart-Rudman report or the Gore Commission report by the Republican-controlled Congress, on whom falls the responsibility for enacting legislation based upon such warnings. This was done for purely partisan reasons, and nothing more.

Since the attacks of September 11th, anyone who dares criticize Republican President George W. Bush has been labeled a traitor. Reporters have been fired for doing so, talk show hosts have been repudiated for doing so, and the White House Press Secretary himself has warned all of America to "watch what we say."

For you to blame a former President for their own actions and partisan-motivated lack of action that led directly to this horror is absolutely pathetic and disgusting. I suggest you do your research before opening your big mouth.

 

[The_Eviscerator]

I voted for Bush and I love it... my paycheck is larger and the news is more interesting. All we need is Bush to get a blow job from an intern and I will really be satisfied.

 

[Tiervexx]

jimmy carter and clinton both cut funding from the CIA. Both parties want to make themselves look good dealing with this so badly they only sort of care about protecting America or doing what is best for the public good. Both parties know how to deal with this; they just want to make sure they can take sole credit for it when they do.

 

[FreakMonster]

jimmy carter and clinton both cut funding from the CIA. Both parties want to make themselves look good dealing with this so badly they only sort of care about protecting America or doing what is best for the public good. Both parties know how to deal with this; they just want to make sure they can take sole credit for it when they do.

Not true. Clinton spent $10 billion from the federal budget for the Pentagon, the CIA and federal police programs.

 

[The_Eviscerator]

Arguing about whether Republicans or Democrats are better suited for running the government is like arguing whether it would be better to have your nuts smashed with giant hammer or if you would rather fuck a box of razor blades ... neither really appeals to me.

 

[David Schwimmer]

Arguing about whether Republicans or Democrats are better suited for running the government is like arguing whether it would be better to have your nuts smashed with giant hammer or if you would rather fuck a box of razor blades ... neither really appeals to me.

Well, you obviously have never had intercourse with a box of razor blades before. It burns in a good way.

 

[The_Eviscerator]

Well, you obviously have never had intercourse with a box of razor blades before. It burns in a good way.

Then a box of razor blades must be equivalent to Republicans... they always can count on my vote.

 

[spongebob]

Gosh, your bullshit is just sickening. Where do you get your fucking information? You can't just stop terrorist attacks from happening and you sit here and blame Clinton. Fact is that in 1999, Clinton initiated a bold plan to capture or kill bin Laden by training approximately 60 members of Pakistani intelligence for the task. This was done in response to the attacks upon our African embassies.

name one part of my post that is not true. one fucking part. your right not all terrorist attacks can be stopped but a person with just a little determination could have prevented future attacks by aggressively going after the perpetraitor. its almost laughable that you say clinton initiated a bold plan to kill or capture bin laden by training 60 members of the pakistani intel group. thats hilarious bro. bin laden was already in afghanistan by that time. apparently you arent reading my post. bin laden was in sudan in 1996 right after the khobar towers incident and he was allowed to leave at that point by the US, and clintons plan was to place him in afghanistan so as to hopefully keep him in check. since you do not understand the significance of that i will explain. THERE IS NO WAY IN THE WORLD 60 TRAINED PAKISTAN INTEL MEMBERS(LOYAL TO THE US OR NOT, WHICH IS LAUGHABLE) ARE GOING TO PENETRATE INTO AFGHANISTAN AND EVEN COME CLOSE TO BIN LADEN. SO HIS BOLD PLAN WAS NOT THAT BOLD IDIOT.

The plot collapsed when the Pakistani Prime Minister was overthrown in a coup by General Musharraf, who remains today the leader of Pakistan. Musharraf refused to support the plot, and it withered on the vine through no fault of Clinton. But you wouldn't know this.

its a moot point for reasons already explained and uncomprehensible by you.

Did you know that the Clinton administration, acting upon information provided by the PENTAGON, launched some 66 cruise missiles into Afghanistan. These missiles were aimed at a training camp the Pentagon believed was sheltering bin Laden. The information proved to be WRONG, and bin Laden was unharmed. Again, the Clinton administration acted BOLDY, but was foiled by circumstances beyond its control.

acted boldly to bomb some rocks and tents. when he found out it was faulty intel what did he do then? nothing, nothing at all.

Clinton spoke often about the need to augment America's defenses against terrorist attacks. Clinton, having presided over the first bombing of the World Trade Center, the destruction of the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, and the destruction of American embassies in Africa, knew what needed to be done.

he didnt even hardly acknowledge TWC of 93' . again for the second time in a row, i hope this sinks in to your mushy brain, clinton didnt even talk with the CIA director for two years into his term, that is absolutely unheard of. and now your telling me he was concern about our anti-terrorism community. ha ha ha ha.

Did you know that the legislation was killed by Texas Republican Senator Phil Gramm? When asked in September 2001 to defend his actions, Gramm responded, "I was right then and I am right now. The way to deal with terrorists is to hunt them down and kill them."

he is correct, the money will always be there, the fanaticism and hatred will always be there.

On January 31, 2001, the Hart-Rudman report was published. This report voiced dire warnings about threats to American security posed by terrorist attacks. Further, this report recommended the creation of an Office of Homeland Defense that would be responsible for the implementation of defensive measures to combat this threat. The Hart-Rudman report was summarily dismissed and ignored by the Bush administration.

i am not defending bush at all, his connections as well as this govt's previous relationship with the saudi's is a major factor in all this. bush continued the laissez faire attitude towards terrorism in general and our foriegn policy towards the middle east was a carry over from all previous presidents. THE FUCKING DIFFERENCE IS THAT BUSH WENT STRAIGHT TO AFGHANISTAN AND ACTUALLY TRIED TO TAKE HIS ASS OUT AND IS STILL IN THE HUNT FOR HIM.

For you to blame a former President for their own actions and partisan-motivated lack of action that led directly to this horror is absolutely pathetic and disgusting. I suggest you do your research before opening your big mouth.

I SAID THEY ARE BOTH TO BLAME AS WELL AS PREVIOUS PRESIDENTS WHO SLEPT WITH THE ROYAL FAMILY AND EVEN CREATED BIN LADEN. FOR YOU TO NOT GIVE ANY BLAME TO CLINTON SHOWS YOUR ONE DEMENSIONAL THINKING SKILLS AND CLEAR BIAS REGARDING CLINTON AND BUSH. THIS PREVENTS YOU FROM HAVE ANY REAL SUBJECTIVITY ON HOW 9-11 CAME TO HAPPEN AND HOW IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN PREVENTED. YOU HAVE DONE YOUR READING I WILL ADMIT, BUT YOUR ABILITY TO SEE BEYOND THE SURFACE AND TO CONNECT THE DOTS FOR A REAL CONCLUSION. YOUR KNOWLEDGE IS OK, ITS YOUR PROBLEM SOLVING SKILLS THAT ARE LACKING.

i wasnt yelling with the caps i just didnt notice they were on tell it was to late.

my main point is this which you can not counter. we had WTC of 93', the khobar towers and a declared jihad up until 96'. with this information would you have let UBL leave peacefully and go to afghanistan where it would be next to impossible to stop his future actions.

and your right bush failed in alot of areas regarding this but after 9-11, he started kicking some ass. something that iwould refere to as bold not bombing asprin factories and tents.

the reason clinton allowed UBL to escape to afghanistan is because it was close to election time, to avoid any bumps he just let him go. im sure it was as political as it gets.