Phaded, I have never bashed anyone on this board! That's not what this is about. It's about people juicing who have ABSOLUTELY NO BUSINESS doing it. I'm not here to judge, and don't care if people are too weak to build a physique with work instead of drugs. I can't believe everyone is so defensive about this. Everyone on this board who has put their time into the gym should agree with me. I try to help everyone that I can. If "helping" them means telling them to hit the gym and the dinner table and not the needle than that's what I do. I respect anyone who works their ass off and is truly dedicated, regardless of how they look (you can't fix bad genetics). Obviously no one on this board sees how much the others here put into it (we aren't in the gym together), that said when I see someone 6'0 170 who has trained for 6 months and they are doing a cycle it disturbs me. THESE PEOPLE HAVE TOTALLY LOST SIGHT OF THE BEAUTY OF CULTIVATING YOUR PHYSIQUE WITH INTENSE TRAINING AND EATING, THEY WILL NEVER KNOW THE FEELING OF BEING BIG AND STRONG THROUGH YEARS OF WORK AND NOT JUST THROUGH HITTING THE NEEDLE IMMEDIATELY. These people are missing out on a great sense of accomplishment. I waited for 7 years before I did anything. I saw others around me blowing up, I didn't care I kept doing my thing. When you put in that time you have a true appreciation and respect for AAS. These people never develop that. It becomes all about drugs, that's a very dangerous mindset to get into.