Am I now All Natty?

[riverrock]

I haven't touched an AAS in over 15 months now. I can I rightfully call myself All Natty now or are you "once a juicer, always a juicer"?

 

[majutsu]

These labels (natty or juicer) have no clearly defined meaning. They are just inexact slurs. In most powerlifting federations (for example the IPF branch I use) 24 months clean means you can compete in the tested division. This is the only meaningful question. Look up, for your federation, the amount of time you are promising to have been clean for in order to competed in the tested division. This is the question: whether you should compete tested or untested.

 

[Devastation]

i agree with the 24 month to call yourself clean/natty. deca can be detected in your system long after a 12 months

 

[wnt2bBeast]

aside from the ethical rationale..ive had a friend involved in PL'ing tell me that a year without any super supps would qualify for untested...

However anyone who is strong or looking to make some headway in the sport competes where the big boys compete..

I consider myself natty and will compete in the APF rather than the AAPF

 

[riverrock]

Anyone who uses AAS like D-Bol, Var, Test S etc (your typical PL drugs in untested events) will tell you that the strength loss after is substantial. Really, your back to where you were before, or near enough to that anyhow. Its only now that I am getting very strong naturally. When I came off initially, the emotional shock was unreal and gave me several nights where I wrestled with my conscience as to whether I should give up on my goal of going All Natty.

I stuck with it and feel great now. I feel that the benefits of AAS are now long gone and that everything I got since, I got it through hard work. I'd recommend anyone to stay as natural as long as they can now. Haven't felt this good in years. You won't catch me suffering from clomid related depression as I don't need it anymore!

Now I want to compete as a Natty, but will only do so if I'm a real one. The benefits of AAS went away a long time ago, and my conscience would be very clear if I won a natty competition after this length of time off.

 

[jcp2]

aside from the ethical rationale..ive had a friend involved in PL'ing tell me that a year without any super supps would qualify for untested...

However anyone who is strong or looking to make some headway in the sport competes where the big boys compete..

I consider myself natty and will compete in the APF rather than the AAPF

The big boys don't compete in any drug tested feds?

 

[wnt2bBeast]

The big boys don't compete in any drug tested feds?

yes that was my point..
maybe i wasnt crystal clear!!!!!

anyone with serious strength using drugs or not WILL compete in the untested divisions

 

[stilleto]

I haven't touched an AAS in over 15 months now. I can I rightfully call myself All Natty now or are you "once a juicer, always a juicer"?

IMO, you could say you're all natural NOW (or sometime in the next year).
you weren't always of course so to represent yourself as being lifetime drug free would be wrong.

 

[JLA]

good question, considering you always hear how people can keep their gains from cycles, even if they never touched AAS again..

It's cool with me (in case you care)

 

[riverrock]

good question, considering you always hear how people can keep their gains from cycles, even if they never touched AAS again..

It's cool with me (in case you care)

Of course I care Bro!

I think people confuse keeping a percentage of muscle gains with strength gains. Really, once your testosterone is considerably decreased when you stop taking Test S, your strength gains that came with it go too. I don't know anyone who hasn't experienced loss when coming off D-Bol either. I argue strongly from personal experience than you keep 0% of your strength gains. HOWEVER, if your knowledge of exercise science and nutrition was always good, you'll rapidly come good again. That is exactly what is happening to me how. I'm very pleased with myself in fact!

Also wnt2bBeast, I usually agree with your posts, but I have to pull you up on what you said about the real strength athletes should be competing in the untested division. It is not a level playing field, just like its not a level playing field if someone juices in football, basketball etc. They have an edge or gain that isn't naurally theirs. Its only when everyone is equal in terms of what they could or couldn't take can you determine the true competition winner.

 

[blut wump]

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Also wnt2bBeast, I usually agree with your posts, but I have to pull you up on what you said about the real strength athletes should be competing in the untested division. It is not a level playing field, just like its not a level playing field if someone juices in football, basketball etc. They have an edge or gain that isn't naurally theirs. Its only when everyone is equal in terms of what they could or couldn't take can you determine the true competition winner.

That's where this gets very fuzzy for me. The current difference from tested to untested is simply that they can't detect any metabolites from a given list in your system. As previous comments have noted, even in a tested division you'll be up against Test S, Ace, Dbol, winny users and even if they are somehow excluded you still have creatine and old-fashioned milk, eggs and good red meat. Where's the vegetarian division? Even in the untested division you'll have guys on 1g of test against those of 2g or more. It stops being a case of what you can take but rather of what you did take and how well you took it and how well you trained. In the end it's just down to turning up and lifting your best.

It's at this stage I think back to the strongmen of old putting up crazy weights which even todays top strongmen feel proud to lift. You can be pretty sure that they didn't have modern chemical wizardy to help them. Do you think that Louis Cyr would be queueing up in the tested division?

 

[BlondBomber]

I haven't touched an AAS in over 15 months now. I can I rightfully call myself All Natty now or are you "once a juicer, always a juicer"?

Personally, yes.

I quite competing because of this same exact issue.

Its not a level playing field, and if you compete sans drugs, you are going to get your ass kicked.

My revelation came at the APF Nationals in 2002. I am a deadlifter, so when I was 18 and @198, pulling a 501.5 deadlift after squatting and benching was a good feeling.

I was right on the weight limit, but luckily I did not have to go @220. The guy that won that divison was a South African transplant that looked like he was 35. He fucking squatted an American record at 700 something, and he benched around what I deadlifted. I knew at that point if I went to the Worlds in Norway, I would get the living shit knocked out of me.

I then decided to lift for myself, because even in "tested" federations like WABDL, where they don't even really test, people are using.

I hate to sound so cynical, but that is how it is.

 

[jcp2]

yes that was my point..
maybe i wasnt crystal clear!!!!!

anyone with serious strength using drugs or not WILL compete in the untested divisions

Isn't the IPF and USAPL tested?