am I going overboard saying never again deca?

[stevesmi]

just getting tired of the bloat. the stuff is doing its job well. I am gaining mass and strength as I am in week 7 of my cycle. strongest I've ever been.

but boy would I like to be more vascular to impress the ladies more with my looks instead of my strength.

am I going overboard saying never again? what would be better stacking with test next cycle instead if I choose to dump deca and go for more of a lean look?

 

[Ross]

I have never used Deca, and NEVER, EVER WILL. PERIOD.

 

[Fatboy1984]

I have never used Deca, and NEVER, EVER WILL. PERIOD.

Why?..... Because bloat, Deca dick, or long shutdown period, or high prog levels and gynomastia... haha
I love deca.. but even after typing that, it makes more sense to me why some people do not.

 

[caribeman]

I would never take deca without test, ever. winstrol but watch your joints. Wonder how your cardio is, nutrition as well...

 

[stevesmi]

I'm thinking this will be my last deca cycle. done with it. although after 2 cycles using it I have had very solid gains, like i said I want to go for more vasc look next time.

any other ideas of what to stack with test instead? just getting ideas. next cycle wont be till late fall but want to gather ideas ahead of time.

 

[stevesmi]

I would never take deca without test, ever. winstrol but watch your joints. Wonder how your cardio is, nutrition as well...

I was a half marathon runner and had 6% bf and was benching 245.. not bad for a 5' 6" guy. this was back in October last year

now cut way back on cardio obviously cause I'm sure you know that its impossible to run while on cycle with the calve and shin pumps. bf is up to 13-14%. .. benching 300+

goal has been achieved in about 6 months.. gonna finish this cycle, get stronger and add a bit more mass.

then next cycle want to go more vascular.

 

[glennds]

i love deca. works great with test. i am lean and have zero issues with gyno or bloat , so its a good choice. i can see how guys who arent naturally lean might stay away from it, or have gyno issues. if it doesnt work for you, try something else. so many choices...so little time.

 

[caribeman]

Steve, I am with you. I also ran as well and I can tell you Cardio is key. When I was on (sus 250) I had a similar issues with running and pumps. Stair master helped out with this issue. hard to keep your protein carbs and fat in place and still stay lean sometimes.

I am sure others here will have experience with your question but if your gonna cycle again perhaps consider Winstrol or anavar, test prop, or Equipoise

 

[Ezekiel]

Ya, I never seem to have too much of an issue w/ bloat either... But I do take adex @ .5 every 3rd day.. But the deca dick does suck it!! I get good gains though..
I am thinking about going w/ Primo, test and eq for next cycle...

 

[stevesmi]

Steve, I am with you. I also ran as well and I can tell you Cardio is key. When I was on (sus 250) I had a similar issues with running and pumps. Stair master helped out with this issue. hard to keep your protein carbs and fat in place and still stay lean sometimes.

I am sure others here will have experience with your question but if your gonna cycle again perhaps consider Winstrol or anavar, test prop, or Equipoise

yeah no way can i run more then half a mile without sick pumps.

EQ or winny are 2 options but still not sure which one. i am gonna keep thinking about it

 

[stevesmi]

Ya, I never seem to have too much of an issue w/ bloat either... But I do take adex @ .5 every 3rd day.. But the deca dick does suck it!! I get good gains though..
I am thinking about going w/ Primo, test and eq for next cycle...

dont want to mess with adex cause i am lifting some heavy weights and have some forearm issues as well as knee problems when i do deadlifts. so i would rather bloat a bit then deal with joint problems.

never had a problem with deca dick. when i got off last cycle i did suffer a bit but i recovered very quickly. this time around i upped my PCT and am also gonna start hcgenerate next week

 

[d_rson]

Have you thought about running a lower dose of deca and adding masteron? I myself have never, but I have read alot of good reports of masteron's ability to keep both moderate dosage of test and deca both in check bloat wise, while being gental on the joints.

 

[C0LUMB0]

yeah no way can i run more then half a mile without sick pumps.

EQ or winny are 2 options but still not sure which one. i am gonna keep thinking about it

Hey Steve, i would consider primo...i havent ran it myself but have been doing some research in cycle log threads etc and it might be a good option for ya.

 

[stevesmi]

thanks fellas for all the suggestions.. still a ways away but still gathering ideas till my next cycle.

in the meantime like i stated earlier gonna keep building strength. going for a new max today on the bench 305lbs

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[joe d]

dont want to mess with adex cause i am lifting some heavy weights and have some forearm issues as well as knee problems when i do deadlifts. so i would rather bloat a bit then deal with joint problems.

never had a problem with deca dick. when i got off last cycle i did suffer a bit but i recovered very quickly. this time around i upped my PCT and am also gonna start hcgenerate next week

i think there is a better way then to just let estro run rampid to avoid these issues. using a ai dosed right to keep estro levels down along with a diet built to support your issues should be an easy fix

 

[LiftHeavy078]

yeah no way can i run more then half a mile without sick pumps.

EQ or winny are 2 options but still not sure which one. i am gonna keep thinking about it

EQ without question. If you are going for vascularity your next cycle and want a Deca replacement, EQ is the way to go.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I used deca back in the day when it was considered a "safe" alternative to test. (Which just goes to show you how much the so called experts of any time know).

After one cycle I knew it was all bloat and a dick killer. I wrote a chapter in The Bodybuilding Truth about how it's a terrible outdated drug.

Whatever deca does, test does better. Much, much, better.

 

[stevesmi]

i think there is a better way then to just let estro run rampid to avoid these issues. using a ai dosed right to keep estro levels down along with a diet built to support your issues should be an easy fix

I am in week 7 of my 10 week deca/12 week sust cycle. and running 4 weeks of beast (started late i know)

so what would you suggest for me for an AI that wont nail me with joint problems regarding dosage and time. I am wearing braces already on both my forearms and on my right knee and I'm only 29 so i dont want to add to the list going too aggressive on an AI.

and do you suggest dropping deca now and just continueing with sust and beast or is that too crazy?

 

[stevesmi]

EQ without question. If you are going for vascularity your next cycle and want a Deca replacement, EQ is the way to go.

thanks.. I am leaning that way

 

[stevesmi]

I used deca back in the day when it was considered a "safe" alternative to test. (Which just goes to show you how much the so called experts of any time know).

After one cycle I knew it was all bloat and a dick killer. I wrote a chapter in The Bodybuilding Truth about how it's a terrible outdated drug.

Whatever deca does, test does better. Much, much, better.

do you suggest I dump deca at week 7 and just finish up the cycle with sust and beast?

 

[joe d]

I am in week 7 of my 10 week deca/12 week sust cycle. and running 4 weeks of beast (started late i know)

so what would you suggest for me for an AI that wont nail me with joint problems regarding dosage and time. I am wearing braces already on both my forearms and on my right knee and I'm only 29 so i dont want to add to the list going too aggressive on an AI.

and do you suggest dropping deca now and just continueing with sust and beast or is that too crazy?

id just stop the deca now and run .25mg adex eod 2 until 2 weaks past the last shot of the cycle while also taking fish oil and eating lots of fruits and veggies.

 

[Nelson Montana]

do you suggest I dump deca at week 7 and just finish up the cycle with sust and beast?

If you like it, use it, if you don't, don't.

I never understood the comparison to primo or eq -- completely different drugs.