Alpha Lipoic Acid (ALA)

[Fonz]

Ok, no more Mr. Nice guy.
Big SHIT-HEAD, go crawl under a rock and
come out when you've actually got some
INKLING of ANY bio-chemistry.

Stew, even though we sometimes have
differing views we have to respect each
others bio-chemical knowledge.(I also have a
degree you know, its not for decoration)
You crossed the line. I'll be blunt as to HOW
ALA works. Your post is VAGUE AS HELL.

1. There are two main types of glucose
transporters within the cells. Glut-1's
and Glut-4's.
Glut-1 transporters stay FIXED AND DO NOT
CHANGE OVER TIME.

ALA has NO IMPACT on glut-1's. Rather, it has
a direct impact on Glut-4's.

ALA increases the amount of Glut-4's
at the surface of the cell leaing to a greater glucose
up-take. Excercise has a similiar effect on the
number of Glut-4's inside a cell.

WHY DOES ALA WORK SO WELL IN DIABETICS?

Well, its due to the GLUT-4's!!!!

In Type-II diabetics Glut-4's work exactly the same
as a normal persons would except their Pancreas doesn't
produce sufficient insulin to ensure that glucose
is driven into the muscle/fat cells. This defective
insulin out-put causes HYPERGLYCAEMIA.
(Very high blood glucose which IS VERY detrimental
to a persons health)
Therefore Insulin is ADDED to increase glucose up-take.

With the addition of ALA, glut-4 numbers are increased
on the cell surface which leads to greater glucose
up-take which leads to lower levels of blood glucose,
which in turn leads to THEIR NATURALLY PRODUCED
INSULIN TO BE SUFFICIENT.
ALA has let MAN

 

[Fonz]

continued as my laptop just deleted a sentence.

ALA has LET MANY DIABETICS DISCONTINUE
their exogeneous insulin use due to this VERY REASON.(i.e.
ALA's effects on the glut-4's, which increase
glucose up-take into the muscle/fat cells)

Godspeed

 

[The Iron Game]

This is a discussion board.

A topic is posted and then discussed.

This is not a board where something is posted and then everyone says 'Great post'.

If someone disagrees with something posted then they should say so and then the discussion will follow.

What the *$%*. Someone disagrees and the big, hard, tough guys start flaming like little children.

Stew, I am sure you can make out this one aint aimed at you, and nor you Fonz.

 

[animal B]

great posts...and where does cell tech fit in to all this...that was a joke

 

[E-Toon]

Bump for dosage reccomendation for AL... Fonz, Dezl, Stew?

Bump for Iron Game's post...

Bump for constructive criticism and debate...

No bump for flames and putdowns...

 

[The Bionic Man]

I agree...great post.
Stew: when is this bopok of yours coming out?
Phreaky: what exactly are the "results"? I mean, what can one expect physically, or cosmetically?

 

[Andre]

that shit doesnt work anyway

 

[Stew Meat]

I recomend 500mg/day.


Fonz, your previous post is totally ambigious. You claim that I am wrong about something, yet you post ambigious information that sounds good, but doesn't prove your point.

ALA mimics insulin. It works in the same way that insulin does by shuttling glucose into the muscle cells. It doesn't matter if you are a diabetic or not, it works like insulin. There's no difference in the cells of a diabetic and non-diabetic.

That was a very good discription of how insulin works. You sound like you know what you are talking about. You could really make some of the newbies believe you have a degree... But your post is toally ambigious as to any effects of ALA.


-Stew

 

[cockdezl]

"I recomend 500mg/day."

From what I have read, and discussed with others (I have not yet used ALA) 500mg would be the minimum dose. I think I remember reading that in Germany, they use 600mg/day.

I want to try it, and I will start with 750-1000mg/day.

 

[Mass Monster]

ALA really is some great stuff! I take 400mg a day and it makes a very noticable difference!

Mass Monster