ALCU strikes again

[Sushi X]

ACLU strikes again

the ACLU is defending NAMbLA, north american men/boys love alliance, in a civil suit filed against them by a family in Boston(i think it's Boston) for posting literature that tell men how to entice and have sex with boys and keep them from telling. the boy was lured in by two men, who have been arrested, molested and was killed. investigators found NAMbLA material in the two men's residence and when the website was visited the same info plus much more was found. the ACLU says it's free speach and defends the organization.


wow, more liberal bull**it. when does "free speach" go too far. i can't say they are to blame but their literature did aid in the process. the did contribute knowing full well that people would use their site for the purpose. i hope they get shut down. that's just plain wrong. i also think something needs to be done about what info is on the internet. making bombs and bio weapons for one thing should'nt be allowed on the web. "free speach" is one thing but when it turns into a how to kill, molest or terrorize tool then something needs to be done. how far have we come as a society to sit back and let things like this get published and continue to be there for more people to use it to terrorize other people? when does free speach go too far?

 

[J-DAM]

Why isn't the "b" in NAMbLA capitalized? Kooky..

 

[naturally anabolic]

sounds to me as though we need to bring back censorship and oh oh whats that witches name? Janet Reno

 

[Enrico]

Couldn't agree more, Sushi. I'm all for free speech, but the ACLU takes it to a moronic extreme. Valuing free speech over the right of an innocent kid not to be molested and killed is absolutely vile!

 

[Sushi X]

i'm not saying we need censorship. i'm not saying the government should jump in maybe a hacker or something, lol.

i don't know why the b is not capitolized that's the way it was when i saw the name in print.

 

[smokinghawk]

Don't blame this kind of stuff on "liberal bullshit." I'm REALLY liberal, and I think this is sick.

 

[Frackal]

I think there are FAR better things the ACLU could be fighting than this!!!!

 

[huntmaster]

Re: ACLU strikes again

This organization should be shut down. The people involved should be thrown in prison--maybe even get the death penalty.

They are encouraging and aiding in criminal activity.

This is a no brainer.

We are not operating under anarchy folks--free speach has its boundries and it is time to step in--in this situation.

Censorship is a word that gets thrown around a lot by people today---but in this case, I dont care if people like it or not--something must be done.


Great to see you around again Sushi!

 

[junglist]

no doub tthe aclu defends the rights of individuals and cases we may find abosultely rediculous. however, if organizations like the aclu didnt exist (and they are a VERY powerful political organization) basic rights like free speech wouldnt exist at all.

c'mon, do you put enough faith in our government anyway? people are speaking out against us involvement in overseas action and the government has been shutting shit down. same goes for the drug war. if the aclu pushes the envelope a little too far, its only so the attention isnt on the "regular joe" here in america who takes their constitutional rights without a thought in the world...

 

[huntmaster]

however, if organizations like the aclu didnt exist (and they are a VERY powerful political organization) basic rights like free speech wouldnt exist at all.

Nothing personal bro, seriously--but I going to have to disagree with you on the ACLU. I dont agree with many of the intities that they defend. I dispise their politicaly correct agenda. There are some other good organizations out there though that work to protect rights of honest citizens.

In my eyes, the ACLU has helped lend a hand to the moral decay of America and in turn---the world.

 

[Zirakzigil]

You guys are funny.

So, the people who publish directions on how to commit crimes should be prosecuted? Gotta love you idiots. And BTW, I'm not a liberal. I'm a libertarian. Go read a book, instead of listening to Rush.

 

[Zirakzigil]

To clarify my point:

No one should be prosecuted for information they disseminate. Those who use that information to commit crimes should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

Re: ACLU strikes again

when does "free speach" go too far.

never. And as soon as you think it does, you have accepted the first step toward tyranny.

See, this is probably the sickest crime imaginable against another person. But those who actually talked about it, did no harm. If we admit it is gharmful to talk about, we aer saying that other adults cannot be held responsible for their actions, and we have invalidated the idea of a justice system.

 

[RyanH]

Re: Re: ACLU strikes again

never. And as soon as you think it does, you have accepted the first step toward tyranny.

See, this is probably the sickest crime imaginable against another person. But those who actually talked about it, did no harm. If we admit it is gharmful to talk about, we aer saying that other adults cannot be held responsible for their actions, and we have invalidated the idea of a justice system.

Matt couldn't be more right with the latter part of his reponse. And, I bumped an earlier thread of mine to demonstrate to some of you how the ACLU protects the principles of the United States Constitution every day of our lives.

Ryan.

 

[str8manwithadickinhisass]

Police in South Carolina were making random stops of vehicles to "search for drugs". It was the ACLU that helped in getting the US Supreme Court to declare this unconstitutional.

Yes those of us in the ACLU may be seen as radicals but it is only because of radicals that we can find a middle ground on many issues. The average American is willing to sit back and let their government trample all over their rights. It is organizations such as the ACLU that keep the government in check.

 

[p0ink]

how can NAMBLA continue to operate? these people are self-professed child molesters....wouldnt this give law enforcement enough to go on.

NAMBLA wanted to march in a gay pride parade in san francisco, and even the pride people were like 'hell no' because they knew if nambla showed up, it would get VERY fucking violent, as it should, towards those sick fucks

 

[huntmaster]

how can NAMBLA continue to operate? these people are self-professed child molesters....wouldnt this give law enforcement enough to go on.

NAMBLA wanted to march in a gay pride parade in san francisco, and even the pride people were like 'hell no' because they knew if nambla showed up, it would get VERY fucking violent, as it should, towards those sick fucks

I dont know pOink---Its pretty scarry how far some will go to defend petefiles.

unfortunately, some people cant see the forest for the trees until something happens to one of their own or someone they know.

I am going to look into this NAMbLA organization. It may be time for a road trip soon.

 

[junglist]

ok think of it like this:

lets say that you return home from work to find your spouse in bed with another man (or woman). In the heat of rage, you murder both people involved...

Or maybe, you get your 6th dui...

either way, you get convicted and thrown into a state penitentiary for five years. while in prison, you are savagely beaten by federally employed prison guards. they trade you to other guards for sex, other inmates for favors, etc. (it happens trust me)

who will you trust to defend you? the common american? they could gve a flying fuck about you and your shitty situation. you are a human being, but no one else could care less because after all...THEY ARENT YOU! THEY DONT CARE ABOUT YOUR NEEDS, YOUR BELEIFS.

the aclu will come to your aid at the drop of a hat. they will defend your rights NOT BECAUSE THEY BELEIVE IN YOUR CAUSE, in fact, they may fucking hate you and everything you stand for. however, they DO beleive that you deserve to have the rights this democratic republic has afforded you when our founding foretfathers sat down and laid down the ground work for what we have today in our constitution.

if we dont hold true to what democracy and liberty are founded on, then we then become a socalist state. if the aclu and similar "liberal" organizations (im a liberal and fucking hate being associated with ignorant sterotypical bullshit opinionated americans) didnt recognize that if they didnt stand up for the most insignigicant, or gross, or absolutely insane cause in the name of FREEDOM, then we are no better than countries that kill people without a trial, force women to cover every part of their skin, put children into harsh physical labor.

we have a great country, we need to defend the principles it was founded on. if we have to defend men who fuck boys to maintain FREEDOM and LIBERTY, then its a shitty but necessary cause I respect the aclu for taking on...

junglist

 

[huntmaster]

if we dont hold true to what democracy and liberty are founded on, then we then become a socalist state.

I wander if G.Washington and the other founding fathers knew that this would one day include protecting pedefiles.---I doubt it. Its really sad what we have become.

if the aclu and similar "liberal" organizations (im a liberal and fucking hate being associated with ignorant sterotypical bullshit opinionated americans) didnt recognize that if they didnt stand up for the most insignigicant, or gross, or absolutely insane cause in the name of FREEDOM, then we are no better than countries that kill people without a trial, force women to cover every part of their skin, put children into harsh physical labor.

Are we not allready worse if we stand by and allow the sexual molestation of our young children??? We sit back and allow innocence to be stolen and raped away???? not I.

we have a great country, we need to defend the principles it was founded on. if we have to defend men who fuck boys to maintain FREEDOM and LIBERTY, then its a shitty but necessary cause I respect the aclu for taking on...

junglist

This is sick. This is sad. I cant believe this has been posted. What is next???? I dont even want to ponder what will be next.

 

[junglist]

huntmaster,
just out of curiosity, do you know ANYTHING about nambla? do you know for a FACT they are pedaphiles? your opinion is based on sterotypical views of something you clueless about.

so what about when the ACLU defends americans right to bear arms? would you be disgusted then? would want each lawyer working that case "put to death" as you suggested?

I dont mean to offend you, but you are selectively taking pieces of my PREVIOUS posts to respond to. it makes it easy to manipulate and bias opinion in this fashion. please comment on ALL aspects of my posts if you wish to be credible. 20/20, the media, religious organizations, and right wing militants are all very used to using this form of argument to remain close minded...

junglist

 

[huntmaster]

As far as I am concerned, if they are providing the information to inform people how to luer children in or perform pedefilia, they are just as bad.

If the ACLU are standing for this, I dont need them--ever.

I just feel very strongly about the whole pedifilia subject and I think that any organization that supports pedefilia should be punished accordingly.

Personally, I cant believe that this is even an issue. I cant believe that this is even up for debate--it seems it should be a no brainer.

We are talking about the innocence of our children. That is where it starts and that is where it ends. There is no excuse.

 

[manfromyard]

Damn right..this is an affront to decency...We should also stop all those people talking about homosexuality..all literature on that should be burned. Also we need to stop all websites and info on interracial mingling. All information that tells people how to use guns and use steroids should be destroyed also.Finally we should take all rights away from women too because their suffrage led to the decay of the family unit......
See the problem? Who decides what information is decent and moral and who doesnt? Once you throw one thing out because its immoral..then anyone else can too. That's also similar to why everyone has a chance to be defended legally..even if you feel they are guilty..You cant just arbitrarily set a standard for freedom..cause then how will you maintain and apply the standard?
As long as they are doing nothing illegal and just talking about it..then they should have that right...There are certain groups that talking about killing and raping members of certain segments of the society(e.g. The KKK)..but even though you might hate their guts..they are Americans and deserve the same rights as everyone else(even though you might feel as I do that this incites people to act out these situations)....Just another scumbag group that Enjoys the freedom of America...Land of the free...

 

[huntmaster]

allright, I see your point but homosexuallity is not against the law and neither is inter-racial mingling, nor is using guns and steroids is not even in the same ballpark as this. I just hate to see us give these people the green light in this situation. It is just wrong.

 

[b fold the truth]

Surely this is not the ENTIRE story with the ENTIRE truth. I guess that I just am very nieve and believe that all humans do good by their nature. Maybe I am wrong.

B True

 

[The Dude]

Let's see, it's OK to ban me from making a paid political commentary on television or radio using my own money just prior to an election, but folks don't strike out with great venom at this sick organization that supports a completely illegal activity? Alrighty then......

 

[JohnyJuice]

huntmaster,
just out of curiosity, do you know ANYTHING about nambla? do you know for a FACT they are pedaphiles? your opinion is based on sterotypical views of something you clueless about.

Do we know for a fact that they are pedophiles? Nambla= north american MAN BOY love allaince. I am taking a wild guess and saying that the MEN mentioned are the members of Nambla, i never heard of any boys joining.
Well, if it is MAN BOY love, then it is pedophilia. What did you miss? It is right in the title.
I dont think that they should get in trouble for voicing things, but something should be done about these sick fucks. Raid the database and watch these people or something. Jesus people, i will say this again because it is something i am a firm beleiver in: An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

 

[Norman Bates]

Isn´t there a paragraph about incitement to a criminal act?

 

[Warik]

Re: Re: Re: ACLU strikes again

Matt couldn't be more right with the latter part of his reponse. And, I bumped an earlier thread of mine to demonstrate to some of you how the ACLU protects the principles of the United States Constitution every day of our lives.

Then why are they not opposing the Campaign Finance "Reform" bill or the 1.4 trillion dollar lawsuit against corporations who owned slaves a few millenia ago?

-Warik

 

[str8manwithadickinhisass]

I don't know anything about nambla but I would assume that if they were really doing something illegal then they would have already been busted. Maybe all they do is have circle jerks while thinking about little boys. Would that be illegal?

 

[Frackal]

Re: Re: Re: Re: ACLU strikes again

Then why are they not opposing the Campaign Finance "Reform" bill or the 1.4 trillion dollar lawsuit against corporations who owned slaves a few millenia ago?

-Warik

That is my point...I was not aware that they were not opposing the 'reform' bill...IMO as I said there are far better things the ACLU could defend then this, but then again, I do not know enough about this situation to make a fair judgement....

 

[aurelius]

I dont think that they should get in trouble for voicing things, but something should be done about these sick fucks.

Yes, something must be done!!! LEt´s just do something! We´ve got to do something! As long as we do something, then we´re on the right track!!!

We are talking about the innocence of our children. That is where it starts and that is where it ends. There is no excuse.

What do you mean by this, hunt?

 

[Sushi X]

to the guy who called us all idiots and himself a libertarian, i too am a libertarian. we tend to forget victims right's at times and that's why i posted this. since when do people have a right to molest and or even kill other people. it's unlawfull thus one has no right, less it be self defense but come one, innocent children don't necessitate a self defence claim.

everyone had made good points and kept it civil, keep it up.

hunt, i'm still around. my work schedule changed and we are getting busy now so when i get home the pc is one of the last places i end up. the couch is the firts, lol.

 

[aurelius]

since when do people have a right to molest and or even kill other people.

I thought this was about this nambla organization´s right to diffuse information, not their right to molest and kill.

 

[huntmaster]

We are talking about the innocence of our children. That is where it starts and that is where it ends. There is no excuse.

What do you mean by this, hunt?

Just what it says---I am not prepared to condone this garbage just in the name of censorship or liberty. B/C, this is not what liberty was intended to be.

When there are folks out there like NAMbLA or whatever that have a definite hand in pedofilia--then they should be disolved--period.

 

[Sushi X]

I thought this was about this nambla organization´s right to diffuse information, not their right to molest and kill.

it's about the aclu defending a organization that condones and even explains how to molest children. it's also about how we, as a society , can continue to put up with this and not to mention the victims rights.

free speach can go to far. are'nt there laws which forbit you to slander and spread false accusations and other slanderous material about people? with that, should'nt there be the same for materials on how to terrorize people? i think so. maybe this goes against my libertarian views but i'm more concerned with protecting people from any form or terrorizm and that includes child molestation.

 

[aurelius]

I said,"what do you mean by this hunt?" Hunt said, "Just what it says." This is not an answer. What do you mean more specifically? I thought we were talkning about the right to diffuse information on how to molest kids and keep them quiet and if that is protected speech.

I am not prepared to condone this garbage just in the name of censorship or liberty. B/C, this is not what liberty was intended to be.

Don´t be silly. People say a ton of things I wouldn´t personally "condone" but that doesn´t mean I should be able to shut them up.
Do school me on what LIBERTY was intended to be. I am your pupil.

 

[aurelius]

TO SUSHI X

You made some interesting points. My question is, WHAT SHOULD BE DONE? Please be specific.

 

[huntmaster]

It is my beliefe that it was not the intent of our founding fathers or any level headed American to condone the encouragement and indepth and direct instruction on how to educate men on the subject of luering in young boys and molesting them and them how to hide it and get away with it---on an open forum.

Liberty and the principle of free speech was not and is not for the unjust and the criminal minded--it is for law abiding citizens that dont conspire to rape and steal the innocence of children.

I will go to my grave believing that --- as far as I am concerned this a touchy subject that many dont want to stand for b/c it takes effort. There will be much opposition.

This is about protecting our children. What kind of nation sacrifices their children in the name of aiding criminals?

 

[aurelius]

as far as I am concerned this a touchy subject that many dont want to stand for b/c it takes effort.

Get off the cross, hunt. IT takes zero juevos to be critical of a pro pedaphilia group.

Liberty and the principle of free speech was not and is not for the unjust and the criminal minded

Still pretty vague. does their speech constitute "conspiracy to commit a crime?"

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

free speach can go to far.

It's too bad we can't ask the experts: Hitler, Stalin, Saddam Hussein. I'm sure they agree.

 

[aurelius]

It's too bad we can't ask the experts: Hitler, Stalin, Saddam Hussein. I'm sure they agree.

Hold on. There has to be some limits. Yelling FIRE in a crowded theatre being the most obvious example.

 

[huntmaster]

Get off the cross, hunt. IT takes zero juevos to be critical of a pro pedaphilia group.

but not many people dont want to touch an issue that many defend with free speach and also cry censorship when people speak to disolve such an organization.

 

[aurelius]

OK. But it looks similar to those who want guns banned when people get shot. The symbol is attacked rather than the deed.

Want to you want to happen? What does dissolve mean?

 

[huntmaster]

apples and oranges man.

I am a big advocat of Gun rights. "Guns do not kill people. people kill people"

organizations that work as gun advocate such as the NRA and gun manufacturers do not educate murderes on how to use a gun to hunt someone down, brutally murder them, and them hide it. They teach gun safety. Guns have many uses.

To me this NAMbLA thing is totally different. The sole purpose of this organization from what is listed in the first post of this thread is to teach pedefiles how to hunt and luer in young boys and then rape and molest them and then how to hide it so they wont get caught.

When i say they should be dissolved, I mean that the organization should be put out of business and the members/officers should be tried for aiding criminals and also for embracing an assualt on young males accross the nation.

I dont think that will necessarily happen though, b/c it is not politically correct and many people would rather be politically correct instead of stand up for children.(not meaning you in particular.)

 

[cm3504jm]

I would find it interesting how many people here with young children would be in favor of the free speech of Nambla vs those who are without children.

My point being that when you end up having children, your attitude on such matters of free speech change considerably.

 

[huntmaster]

definitely a factor. I personally do not have kids, but I have a little brother and he means alot to me and I also coach youth sports and children are very dear to my heart.

 

[HumorMe]

I would find it interesting how many people here with young children would be in favor of the free speech of Nambla vs those who are without children.

My point being that when you end up having children, your attitude on such matters of free speech change considerably.

I agree totally with this.

As I have said in other posts, all of these special interest groups are conditioning the thinking of everybody (American people) in order to gain acceptance as to what is wrong is right and what is right is wrong. Did that wording confuse anybody?

It is a slow process but one that will eventually win out to those who have never been taught morals otherwise.

 

[Sushi X]

It's too bad we can't ask the experts: Hitler, Stalin, Saddam Hussein. I'm sure they agree.

taken totally out of context from what i meant. aurelius summed it up from what i was getting at, you can't just yell fire in a crowd, there are certain limits, maybe not legally but morally. where's the common decency and respect for others? that's what i'm getting at with free speach going too far, that and the fact that the news media gets too much into people's lives when it's not their business ya know.

 

[Arioch]

I would find it interesting how many people here with young children would be in favor of the free speech of Nambla vs those who are without children.

I have a son, and my thoughts are rather predictable.

 

[john937]

No One is defending the murder of young boys.
The ACLU is defending freedom of speech.

If the government is able to shut down the Nambla website because their ideas are "controversial",
it would be able to shut down this website as well.
Remember that a lot of what gets discussed here (complete with How To...) the government considers highly illegal.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

taken totally out of context from what i meant. aurelius summed it up from what i was getting at, you can't just yell fire in a crowd, there are certain limits, maybe not legally but morally. where's the common decency and respect for others?

Do you suggest that our government legislate morality?


CM-JM,

Good point, but an emotional one. There is enough legislation passed "for teh children". Parents need to teach their kids things like "don't go off with strangers", and if some strange guy is touching you, get the fuck outta there. That is parental responsibility.

Nambla or no, there will always be sick fucks. This legislation strikes out at free speech without addresing the problem.

 

[Y_lifter]

As disgusted as I am by the concept of providing information that could make it easier for children to be abused I understand the concepts involved. The freedom that the ACLU is defending is free speech, similar to instructions on how to build a bomb being freely available.

 

[thesuperstar]

hey, the catholics like the ACLU.

 

[Sushi X]

matt, does'nt the government already regulate morality?

i don't think it should, and i never said the government should do something, i'm saying society should. bouycot the site or something, use free speach and the right to protest to use ya.