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02gixxersix
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Alcoholism has nothing to do with how much you drink. You could be an alcoholic and never touch a drink in your life. It has to do with the way your body processes alcohol.
Stangfriik
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When you have told yourself that you need to cut down or quit yet you find yourself doing it again and again. When you sit at home bored out of your mind when not drinking b/c alcohol has become such a big part of your life. When your finances start being affected to the point of bankuptcy yet you can't understand where all your money went. When you almost lose your job b/c of being too drunk yet you continue to drink. Basically, everything and everyone is telling you that it's the alcohol yet you continue to drink
hardrock said:
that's an unlucky fucker.
it;s when the alcohol interferes with the ability to function productively on a regualr basis.
When you can't say "No."
When you HAVE to drink to feel "normal".
When you are planning your days/weeks activities around your drinking.
When having a drink becomes more important than family, work and/or friends.
When you can't stop drinking.
That's all I have right now.....
Joker
When you HAVE to drink to feel "normal".
When you are planning your days/weeks activities around your drinking.
When having a drink becomes more important than family, work and/or friends.
When you can't stop drinking.
That's all I have right now.....
Joker
JOKER47 said:
Umm...that's called military life, not alcoholism.
collegiateLifter
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02gixxersix said:
sounds like you're not a big fan of free will.
louden_swain
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mystique said:
Its all about chemical dependency. . .the inability to break away or live without it, the person uses alcohol as a psychological crutch. As for consumption. . varies from person to person.
Just because a frat boy is drinking tons of beer and is shit faced every night doesn't make him an alcoholic.
Rex
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MattTheSkywalker said:
HAHAHA it's all so true. Hey LCPL go do <inane task>. Typical response is "But Cpl we can do it better this way." To which you receive a "Shut up, or I'll charge you". My favorite drunken NCO comment is "I'll haze you". Dick, those who are hazed allow themselves to be hazed.
I have so many middle fingers to hand out when I'm done. Few handshakes though. I put all my great military friends on my "Christmas Card List", I promise nothing more than a Christmas Card. Instead of saying yeah dude I'll write all the time and not. One card minimum if there is more than great if not the deal is upheld.
TheProject
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Y_Lifter said:
Look everyone! It's a cute little beer story told in smileys!
OlavZipser
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Sorry, there's no gray areas on the alcoholism for me. If you like to drink, you are an alcoholic, period I don't believe in a phrase such as "Oh, I can hold my liquor, don't worry." It doesn't matter. The only time you're not an alcoholic is that you don't drink at all. There is no "good" or "bad" alcoholic. Alcoholic is someone who likes to drink, regardless of how much they drink.
you only drink a glass of wine per week? You're alcoholic. Only a six-pack on the weekend? Alcoholic. It's amusing how people label other people "alcoholics" when they also drink. Sorry, no gray areas for me.
you only drink a glass of wine per week? You're alcoholic. Only a six-pack on the weekend? Alcoholic. It's amusing how people label other people "alcoholics" when they also drink. Sorry, no gray areas for me.
OlavZipser
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Cut said:
What does religion has to do anythinig with alcoholism? Please, let's stay on the track.
TheProject
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OlavZipser said:
alcoholic (N) - A person who drinks alcoholic substances habitually and to excess
unclebully
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OlavZipser said:
That is the most stupid thing I have seen anyone say in my life.
I guess you've never known a true alcoholic.
OlavZipser
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gymrat said:
Extreme? No, I was trying to be simple, if there is such a thing. Why is alcoholic considered in a negative sense? I'll try to be clear again. When I made the original statement, I was trying to be stoic.
What's the difference between a person who enjoys a six-pack on the weekend and a person who constantly drink everyday? To me? None. They both like to drink. Sure, the person who drinks often may end up destroying his/her life. But when you drink to enjoy the alcoholic beverage, you are trying to pleasure yourself by gaining a "buzz", am I right or not? For some, it may only take few beers. For some, it may take a gallon of vodka. What do they all have in common? They're trying to take a part in the process of chemical balance that cause them to feel "good".
You don't want to be labeled as an alcoholic? Don't drink at all.
unclebully
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Pure Genius. I am blown away by this.
TheProject
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OlavZipser said:
Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome the newest EF chat troll.
OlavZipser
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TheProject said:
Ahhh...no, I wasn't trying to stir up a hornets' nest but it looks the damage is already done. I was trying to partake in a debate about alcoholism, nothing more. I will respect everyone's opinion about it but I don't see any need to resort to name-calling tactics.
So much for making new friends.
strangebrew
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TheProject said:
Welcome to EF, OlavZipser.
toga22
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Alcoholism...when a person is unable to function, or doesn't know how to socially interact without being under the influence. They like themselves only when they are "buzzed".
and I have to say I disagree with OlavZipser..I do not see anything wrong with a social drinker....but then again I am from Wisconsin, where drinking is a lifestyle.
and I have to say I disagree with OlavZipser..I do not see anything wrong with a social drinker....but then again I am from Wisconsin, where drinking is a lifestyle.
spin721
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The EF member who posted about alcoholism and how it affects you life, job, finances and all of that is EXACTLY right.
I battled alcoholism in the past. Thankfully, God helped me through it. That was all I used to look forward to when I got off work or the days I was off work. I would drink alone in my place after work, hide my bottles, go to many different places to purchase alcohol. You name it. What was even more embarassing is the fact when I would take my trash to the dumpster...all the "clanging" of the bottles and cans...if there were people there they would look at me like I was crazy.
It does take over your life and it will consume you. I will never drink again! I spent so much money on alcohol it is sad. Also, the part about feeling guilty...been there. I used to see the Charter commercials about "drinking problems" and it would scare the hell out of me.
Anyway...just thought I would share that.
The EF member who posted about alcoholism and how it affects you life, job, finances and all of that is EXACTLY right.
I battled alcoholism in the past. Thankfully, God helped me through it. That was all I used to look forward to when I got off work or the days I was off work. I would drink alone in my place after work, hide my bottles, go to many different places to purchase alcohol. You name it. What was even more embarassing is the fact when I would take my trash to the dumpster...all the "clanging" of the bottles and cans...if there were people there they would look at me like I was crazy.
It does take over your life and it will consume you. I will never drink again! I spent so much money on alcohol it is sad. Also, the part about feeling guilty...been there. I used to see the Charter commercials about "drinking problems" and it would scare the hell out of me.
Anyway...just thought I would share that.
Thanks for the replies. Spin, would you consider me heading down the road you were in? I've started drinking a shot of everclear every night because of some psychological problems I have. I also hide my bottle because I don't want my family to worry and I don't want my brother drinking it so I can have it all to myself.
Stangfriik
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mystique said:
Psychological probs such as? My probs started b/c I noticed that my anxiety was nonexistant. I could go out in public and act "normal". If I wanted to be the center of attention, I could. I didn't have that uncomfortable feeling I normally had while sober. I also have a case of agoraphobia so I can't stand leaving my house. Again when drunk, I couldn't care less. BUT, the day after drinking, my anxiety was through the roof. Even though I knew drinking increased my anxiety, I couldn't stop drinking after work to get rid of the anxiety. It sound ridiculous but it's true. Out of all the drugs I have done, alcohol has be the most destructive BY FAR!
I have social anxiety disorder and depression so I understand what you mean, Stangfriik, when you say you felt "normal" in public with the alcohol in your system. I used to drink at school to feel good and anxiety free but now I just drink at home alone because of my depression. It doesn't sound ridiculous to me when you say that you would drink even though you knew it wasn't helping you and only hurting you because I act the same way. How did you recover?
Stangfriik
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Still going through it. I've been going to a phsychologist to help with the emotional and psychological issues and I'm going to a psychiatrist for meds. Right now I am on zoloft and I'm about to have her add wellbutrin b/c of sexual sides. When I first started the zoloft, I didn't drink for 2 weeks. Once the zoloft kicked in, I felt great. It was like night and day. No anxiety at all. I could go to the grocery store and take my time compared to earlier when I would rush as fast as I could just to get out of there. I then got back into the drinking routine and lost that feeling. My doc keeps helping me with staying sober. It's been about a week and a half now so I'm doing ok. What did it was I couldn't even get on a roller coaster b/c of my fucking anxiety. I was strapped in and everything then started having a panic attack. I had to get out and look like a bitch. At that moment I decided that I CANNOT drink again. It sucks but I have family history of alcohol abuse so it's in my blood. I may not ever get to have another drink again. But if I can reach that feeling like I had when the zoloft kicked in, I won't care
spin721
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It is a tough road.
Well, alcohol can slowly take over your life. I kind of started the same way...I would drink beer and I would hide the bottles from my roommate in my closet. The fact that I was hiding the bottles pretty much told me that I needed some help in order to beat this.
But, I never paid any attention to the signs. The signs for me were: I always had to have alcohol to have fun, thought about it all the time, always made sure I had enough on hand so I wouldn't have to leave while drinking...and get a DUI. Just stupid stuff like that...and then sometimes, I would get so trashed that I would be on the computer and buy a bunch of stuff and then feel so stupid in the morning.
Through this, it affected my finances, thoughts and relationships. It is a pretty big weight to always carry on your mind. My suggestion is to tell your MD if you are concerned about it. It won't be the first or last time your MD will hear this. Depending on how honest you are with your MD will help you immensely. I told my MD and he helped me tremendously. Going through an unsupervised withdrawal of alcohol can be difficult and even deadly.
Ever since I gave up all alcohol...I have never felt better. It is a long road, but the rewards are excellent.
PM me if you have any questions.
Well, alcohol can slowly take over your life. I kind of started the same way...I would drink beer and I would hide the bottles from my roommate in my closet. The fact that I was hiding the bottles pretty much told me that I needed some help in order to beat this.
But, I never paid any attention to the signs. The signs for me were: I always had to have alcohol to have fun, thought about it all the time, always made sure I had enough on hand so I wouldn't have to leave while drinking...and get a DUI. Just stupid stuff like that...and then sometimes, I would get so trashed that I would be on the computer and buy a bunch of stuff and then feel so stupid in the morning.
Through this, it affected my finances, thoughts and relationships. It is a pretty big weight to always carry on your mind. My suggestion is to tell your MD if you are concerned about it. It won't be the first or last time your MD will hear this. Depending on how honest you are with your MD will help you immensely. I told my MD and he helped me tremendously. Going through an unsupervised withdrawal of alcohol can be difficult and even deadly.
Ever since I gave up all alcohol...I have never felt better. It is a long road, but the rewards are excellent.
PM me if you have any questions.
OlavZipser said:
WTF?????? Way to broad.
Humans like to alter their state of consciousness.
Its engrained in us.
Thats why all people of this world, right down to primitive tribes on remote islands, have some sort of mind-altering substances.
Humans like to drink, and if it wasnt for hangovers more people would be drinking more often.
Ok then, Call me an alchy!
spin721
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I agree. If you can control it...more power to you.
As for me...well, I have no desire to drink anymore. But, when I was drinking, I couldn't control it. It took over my life and took it over fast.
I am not going to sugar coat the problem I had. My best advice, if you feel guilty or have to "hide" your behavior...stop drinking or get help.
As for me...well, I have no desire to drink anymore. But, when I was drinking, I couldn't control it. It took over my life and took it over fast.
I am not going to sugar coat the problem I had. My best advice, if you feel guilty or have to "hide" your behavior...stop drinking or get help.
OlavZipser
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ColonCowboy said:
Thank you for affirming my point. Have a good Halloween, everybody.
02gixxersix
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collegiateLifter said:
???????????????
collegiateLifter
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02gixxersix said:
your statement reminded me of sentiments naturalists and by sentiments from AA-- who have themselves in a pecuiliar predicament where people are powerless to control their alcohol intake yet that is exactly what they seek to do when going to meetings.
02gixxersix
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I'm not saying people are powerless to control their drinking problem. I'm saying that people are powerless to control alcoholism. It's a disease that is with you from birth. Like I stated you could never touch a drink in your life and be an alcoholic. Just because someone drinks a lots doesn't make them an alcoholic either. You could be dependent on alcohol and not be an alcoholic. Like stated before alcoholism has to do with the way your body processes alcohol not the amount of alcohol consumption. Now whether or not one could bring on alcoholism by drinking excessively I'm not sure. I bet it's possible though.
atlantabiolab
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02gixxersix said:
This is a weak argument, since the vast amount of alcoholics do not have the polymorphisms which have been linked to alcoholism. Simply because science can show a percentage of alcoholics have a certain genetic polymorphism does not remove the concept of "free will", as collegiatelifter mentions, nor implicates said genetic tendency as the cause of alcoholism. Can a person with insulin resistance not control their blood glucose levels? Can a person with obesity not control their weight?
Alcoholism is not a thing, but an action. All actions are controlled at the conscious level. If a person has a genetic polymorphism implicated in alcoholism yet never drinks, they are NOT alcoholics. Even stating that they are potential alcoholics would be misleading, for there is no individual who is not a potential alcoholic, if they so choose.
The medicalizing of behaviours has been the boon of the victim mentality of society. Remove the idea of control, add gene or "illness/disease" to the idea and you have no responsibility.
OlavZipser said:
If your definition of having a problem with something is simply to like doing it no matter how infrequent then I must be a work-aholic, a drive-aholic, a protein-a-holic, a jerk-off-a-holic, a canned-tuna-a-holic, a sex-a-holic, a laundry-a-holic, a skim-milk-a-holic, a egg-white-a-holic, a internet-a-holic, a.........I need a 12 step program for all of these since I do them all on a regular basis.
02gixxersix
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superdave said:
I got that same jerk-off-a-holic prob.
atlantabiolab said:
Do you believe in a unified theory of addiction? Consider the following:
In the brain alcohol produces "tetrahydroisoquinolines" or TIQ's. TIQ's so closely resemble opiods that they actually "trick" the brain into thinking this individuals opiod levels are normal. The alcoholic now feels good.
