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tyguy

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OK, here it is. I want to know what everyone honestly thinks. I am thinking about buying ALA in bulk powder and cap them at either 500mg or 1 gram caps. I would then sell a month supply (3grams a day) 90grams total for somewhere between $35-40. I have talked to some of a friend who's girlfriends dad owns a big bulk chemical dist. center and he said he may to probably be interested.

Now for the capping part, I have access to another one of my friends meat cutting shops that is clean enough to eat off the floor. There are always inspectors in there and things must be in tip top clean shape so sterlity would not be a problem. I guess the reason I am running this buy you guys is I don't want to dump some money into this and not have any interested and while I am not asking at all for gurantees, just one to see a bump or a hell yeah if you would be willing to pay between $35-$40 a month for ALA.

If there is no interest I will not take the risk. Also, and I want to know more about this. But through my research I ran into a chemical company that has R(+) ALA and although I have done tons of research I have found no definite seperation between that of S(+) and R(+) ALA. This, if it is legal, may be another road I will take. Supposedly (R)+ may have better insulin activities while the S(+) isn't as strong, and what we are commonly associated with now. If we could find and cap a stronger ALA it would be great.

Guys keep this at the top so I can get a good idea on what to do and how to approach this. A sticky would be nice but not necessary!

Tyguy
 
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I would be willing to pay that price if you go through with it
cbeaks
 
Well I am doing my homework right now, and as we speak that is the best price I have found, but if I can find some place cheaper, I will definetly pass the savings down. I don't want to make a fortune off this and would rather have a lot of people buying and making profit that way rather than have few people buying and charging a large amount, so if I can get it bulk at a cheaper price I may be able to drop the price and thus, make it more beneficial for you guys.

Also, I am thinking about making an ALA manual, with diaries, results, and along with a lot of the medical studies i have found and there are a shit load of them.

What excites me right now is the R(+) or Racenic mode of ALA and it's possibilities, but I need to hear from Fonz or Nandi12 as to the legality to it and if it is worth it.

thanks for your support!
 
if i remember correctly from my organic chemistry, a racemic mixture is one that contains a mixture (50/50) of different enantiomers of the same molecule. the S+ type, is just one particular enantiomer of ALA (vs R+ type, which is twodifferent types). i can see why it would make a differance because sometimes, enantiomers of the same molecule may or may not bond with other chiral molecules (ie, one enantiomer would, while the other would not). so, the better ''insulin activities'' of S+ can be explained that way, however, since it is all of one enantiomer, you may lose versatility in other arenas. although, that would probably not matter much (as insulin is one of the areas we are most interested in).

as for the legality, there is no reason on this earth why one version would be legal, and the other would not. after all, the racemic mixture is 50% S+.
 
Keep it beefy said:
if i remember correctly from my organic chemistry, a racemic mixture is one that contains a mixture (50/50) of different enantiomers of the same molecule. the S+ type, is just one particular enantiomer of ALA (vs R+ type, which is twodifferent types). i can see why it would make a differance because sometimes, enantiomers of the same molecule may or may not bond with other chiral molecules (ie, one enantiomer would, while the other would not). so, the better ''insulin activities'' of S+ can be explained that way, however, since it is all of one enantiomer, you may lose versatility in other arenas. although, that would probably not matter much (as insulin is one of the areas we are most interested in).

as for the legality, there is no reason on this earth why one version would be legal, and the other would not. after all, the racemic mixture is 50% S+.
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Thank you.... so some people may benefit from the R(+) while others may get better gains from just the S(+) depending on the versatility of the enantiomers?
 
tyguy said:


Thank you.... so some people may benefit from the R(+) while others may get better gains from just the S(+) depending on the versatility of the enantiomers?
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pretty much, but i was a little off in my first response, but i checked up my notes, and here's the deal:

when both enantiomers of a compound are present in equal amounts, the mixture is called a racemic, or racemate. Racemic mixtures can be symbolized by a (d/l), dexterorotary or leverorotary depending on which what they rotate light (clockwise or counter clockwise).

and with the compounds you're referring to, R+ and S+, the R+ doesn't refer to racemic. racemic would be the equal combination of both R+ and S+ enantiomers. so R+ is one enantiomer, and S+ is the other. (R and S are just ways of assigning a name to a molecule to denote which direction the residues hang off a chiral center - but nevermind that, it's just chemistry) as you said, S+ has better (for what we're interested in) interactions with insulin, so go for the S+.

as for the versatitity aspect, if they do sell a racemic mixture, that might be something to look into, because it would have both R and S types. if the R types do something the S types don't, then it may be smart to include it. if they don't really have any differances except with insulin, go with the S type.

again, it should be perfectly legal, but a racemic mixture would most likely be cheaper as the makers didn't have to separate it into R and S types.
 
Tight... great info... I may buy some Racemic then and see if there is a difference. We may have something better thant he already stated benefits of ALA... or not, just have to see.


Thanks again!

Karma for you
 
Tight... great info... I may buy some Racemic then and see if there is a difference. We may have something better thant he already stated benefits of ALA... or not, just have to see.


Thanks again!

Karma for you
 
what is the density of the powder...cause fitting a gram of anything is going to be very hard even if you use 000 caps...

And BAC sells 50 grams for $16.50 already...and a meat store is about the last place I would call a sterile room...

Unless you are willing to buy 100+ kilos, it is probably more trouble than it is worth...
 
Verbal Gorilla said:
what is the density of the powder...cause fitting a gram of anything is going to be very hard even if you use 000 caps...

And BAC sells 50 grams for $16.50 already...and a meat store is about the last place I would call a sterile room...

Unless you are willing to buy 100+ kilos, it is probably more trouble than it is worth...
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Thank you for your comment. But I will also be capping them @ 1 gram a pill that is meant to hold 1370 mgs. If for some reason that doesn' work out I will switch to 500mg pills.That would be much easier than 5 200mgs pills, plus the deal I am getting from my ALA source isn't much better than that, but I hope to make from 2-3$ per order. Not a lot, just to compensate me for my time.

The meat room is stainless steel, and must be cleaned with bleach and other anti-bacterial products everyday. Yes there could be more sterile places, but this will be efficient enough to get the job done and provide a safe environment.

The powder I am looking at right now is 99.55 pure. If that is answers your questions or not I don't know.

Any other questions or ideas shoot them at me. If anyone sees this as something that may not work, I want to know about it.

Thanks Again!
 
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If you can get the R+ enantiomer, i would definitely be interested. Remember a racemic mixture would be both R and S. Get the R and we will be good to go!

jb



tyguy said:
Tight... great info... I may buy some Racemic then and see if there is a difference. We may have something better thant he already stated benefits of ALA... or not, just have to see.


Thanks again!

Karma for you
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M.O.D said:
sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen..better think hard my friend about this.
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Why do you say this? Under what circumstances do you see this as a possibility? No flame, just want to be able to rule out problems if they arise.


I need to talk to a lawyer and get a disclaimer written up.
I would like to hear on what you are thinking about because I need to see all risks.

Thanks M.O.D
 
I'm with MOD and a disclaimer will not keep you out of court !!
The possibilities are endless........some slime ball lawer can drag you incourt for getting a paper cut opening the box !!!
LOL

Good luck I do wish you sucess !!
 
Promet1 said:
I'm with MOD and a disclaimer will not keep you out of court !!
The possibilities are endless........some slime ball lawer can drag you incourt for getting a paper cut opening the box !!!
LOL

Good luck I do wish you sucess !!
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Well maybe it is just one of those risks, I don't know. Maybe there is lawyer around here that could give me an idea on what I should look for i.e. set up a business liscense etc. It may not be worth it after all of this. I don't know. It would suck to think that there would be people on Elite that would be willing to wreck a good deal for everyone, as I don't really plan to go further than elite and the triedia boards, but who knows.

Tyguy

This hasn't completely discouraged me. I am still going to be making some phone calls trying to find the best deal on the powder.
 
If Macro and Ulter around I would like to hear what they do to prevent lawsuits. Was there a certain procedure they took in the design of their business? All in all, how can I protect myself?

Thanks
 
The risks you put yourself through, as well as the inconvienience, will FAR outweigh any money you make, if any.


Not trying to be a pessimist, but really....
 
Well right now I am considering selling a month supply (90 grams) @ $34. Out of this $34 I would pocket about $5-7. Now if I had 10 orders a week, I would net profit about $250-$350 a month. Nowhere am I looking to make a fortune, but if it was enough to pay for my cycles and the enormous amount of protein, than I say it is worth it.

I am not too sure on the risk I will be taken here, so don't think I am not checking them out. With every business I know there are risks especially if my selling of ALA was geared toward human consumption. If I gear my ads toward the research and not human consumption, my lawyer says I could still be held somewhat liable, but he sees it as not something very serious. He is making some phone calls as we speak and seeing what should be done. By the way, my lawyer is my ex-gf's dad, and we are still good friends, he won't charge nor give my any advice that would hurt me. He is a good guy.

I don't know, I may only have an order a week, which would be very little profit, but I think this is definetly an opportunity for me and for everyone to look into. I mean, what is wrong with 90grams of capsuled ALA for $34?

In regards to the r(+) ALA, I am still waiting for a phone call back as to pricing and availability.

Anymore input, ideas, etc.? I appreciate them all.
 
HELL YEAH!

id be there in a second! no problems, hell with that price id be busteing 3gs a day! good job bro. please keep us updated. you da man!!
 
Another thing, 000 Gel Caps hold about exactly 500mg. So immediately account that into your plans.

mg is a measure of weight, not volume.

Would a gram of iron filiings would fit into a 000 capsule? sure.

Would a gram of flour fit into a 000 capsule? Probobly not.

The fact of the matter is based on the density of ALA powder, it turns out about 500mg fits into a 000 capsule.



twitched.
 
Twitched said:
Another thing, 000 Gel Caps hold about exactly 500mg. So immediately account that into your plans.

mg is a measure of weight, not volume.

Would a gram of iron filiings would fit into a 000 capsule? sure.

Would a gram of flour fit into a 000 capsule? Probobly not.

The fact of the matter is based on the density of ALA powder, it turns out about 500mg fits into a 000 capsule.



twitched.
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I got a PM about that the other day and was going to look into that. If that was true it would raise my cost a little, but I still think it will something I can deal with ..... 25 grams into 50 "000" so a month supply would be 180 500mg capsules. If that was the case it would be fine, just more work, I don't mind man hours as long as they aren't outrageous.

The problems I am dealing with now is just trying to get those damn chemical suppliers to call me back. They will say they are doing some checking on the best prices and I would think it would take an hour or so to check, but most of them I have talked to today didn't get back to me. Except some dude who wanted to sell 100 kilos... that would be crazy right now.... But we will see.

LATE
 
All I got to say is I have recieved a lot of support of this ALA from a lot of guys. Right now the road to this is cluttered with obstacles but they are nothing that makes me want to quit. If there is a way to get 90 grams of ALA capped to people for under $40 without sending my ass to jail I will find it. I don't give up easy so if there is a way out there, a price that will work for everyone I will find it. It make me take me a month, or a couple of months but I am going to dedicate myself into doing that.


On somewhat of an exciting note. After doing some research, my grandfather, of all people directed me to a Dr/Chemist who makes human grade electroboysylsis (SP) which replenishes bacteria in the stomach in certain patients who have digestive problems. My grandfather is good friends with this man and he and I will be doing some talking to this guy and seeing if he can get it capped at either 500mg or 1000mg at a reasonable price. This man is honest and hard working and could take a lot of the risk off my back if he can do it in an approved facility. This man has also done other products but my grandfather knows him from electroboysylsis. So I am hoping and praying we can get a good deal there so we all can have an exact, quality, cheap source of ALA. It definetly is not a FINA or a HGH, but a miracle product when you consider its legality and if it could be used at a $1.05 a day... WOW.

I will try to keep everyone updated and keep trying to find every possible alternative!!!
 
LATEST NEWS... ok I found a company that will be willing to sell me lotments of 1000 caps of 250mg ALA. I would sell it back to you guys probably around $40 for 90 grams... or 360, 250mg caps.... This isn't what I originally wanted to do, because I wanted to find a larger capsule size. This company will make me larger caps (500mgs) but I have to promise to buy 100,000 so for now, I will go with this as a number one route. It protects me from liability if anything goes wrong with the caps and still gives me somewhat of a profit... not great.... The few extra dollars ($5)will probably be gladly paid by bros knowing they got an exact pure product instead of somethign I put together in a meat shop. Saves some man hours for me too.

I haven't given this the 100% as I still want to talk to my grandfathers friend more and I want to check around... I may go with this and a month later find a better deal and drop my price a bit, I don't know. My main goal is to keep customers satisfied and to still make it worthwhile for myself. The $40 price would also include s/h. Give me a week or so and I will make my final decision. If there is anyone against the $40 price for 360 (250mg) caps of ALA let me know. If one was to take 12 caps a day the would have 3 grams. Still the same deal as before, but more pills.....I will be doing some research on ALA prices, got to find the best one.... LATER BROS!
 
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tyguy said:
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I haven't given this the 100% as I still want to talk to my grandfathers friend !
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is he an attorney?
how old are you?
do you live with your parents?

do you realize by chance when making this stuff at your friends meat market that some one or more caps gets a little should i say dirty inside and one of your customers gets sick that odds are you and your family will be in for one major lawsuit...none of my business what you do but it seems like you may not understand the legal end of this.....

not to bash you but i think you are out of your frickin mind
 
M.O.D said:


is he an attorney?
how old are you?
do you live with your parents?

do you realize by chance when making this stuff at your friends meat market that some one or more caps gets a little should i say dirty inside and one of your customers gets sick that odds are you and your family will be in for one major lawsuit...none of my business what you do but it seems like you may not understand the legal end of this.....

not to bash you but i think you are out of your frickin mind
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Maybe I didn't make myself clear in my last post. Through my research I have come across a company that has already capped the ALA and sells them in bulk amounts. All I would need to do is retain a resale liscense to sell it. I have done research into a resale liscense and find it very obtainable. Therefore all of the risks in the packaging wouuld be off my back. I will not be making these caps all I would be doing is reselling them. I would have very little contact, if at all with the caps. The only scenario would be that I would come in contact with the caps was if someone wanted a broken lot of them.

So to sum it up... the idea of myself making the caps in my friends meat cutting probably wasn't the best because of the risk I would be giving to the customers and myself. So I found a way to remove the risk from myself, still bring a good price, and have a little profit from it. There would be very little man hours for me, just repackaging and sending. I don't know why anyone would object to that.

No I don't live with my parents I am at college. My grandfathers friend is a well established Dr/Chemist and could legally and safely make the ALA capsules, right now he is looking into the price of that... but I haven't heard back yet.

So if I was to go with what i had right now. I would be selling 250mg caps at 11 cents each. That comes to 44 cents a gram. A bit more pricey than what I originally wished but wanted to provide quality too. Over the next couple of days I will be just doing some extra checking and following up on some other ideas. I may still look into the powder and sell it strictly as powder and not capped. Still that may be too risky.

I must say M.O.D, that I appreciate people like you. I realize that you're just trying to keep my head screwed on straight and maybe my previous post wasn't clear.... but people like you, people who doubt what I can do, push me to do it. I love it when someone says I can't or I am out of my mind. It just makes me prove I can and will.
 
M.O.D said:
cool, sounds much better going this route. i wish you the best.
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Who knows, keep your fingers crossed, I may even send you 50 grams for free just for being my inspiration. We'll see.

Take care Bro!
 
hey bro just think bill phllips used to sell roids out of the trunk of his 200$ car when he was starting out:D
 
Thanks for the support boyz, I am sure I will need it. I am not sure if I would call me the next Bill Philips, but I could put muscle tech to shame!!!
 
tyguy---nothing ventured nothing gained my friend...you push on and when you are ready i will be one of your coustomers.
 
getbig27 said:
tyguy---nothing ventured nothing gained my friend...you push on and when you are ready i will be one of your coustomers.
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Thank you Bro, also a bump too......!
 
Today I will be on the phone getting my resale permit and defining whether a complete business liscense is needed. If it needed I will be getting that too. As soon as I have established that I can order from the wholesale company. Laws prevent me from buying from them directly without the right documentation. So that documentation will be obtained.

Then I will be ordering 15,000 (250 mg) pills. Right now I am thinking between 11.5 and 12 cents a pill. There will also be discounts on larger orders and if you order in 1000 amount increments. That is a lot of pills but in order to get the rates I have, I had to order an enormous amount. Once again, I have not made these, they are premade in pharmacuetical conditions. Eventually, after I make some money, I will have them make me 500mg pills but for right now I don't want to take that risk, as that will set me back 10 grand.

Just want to let you bros know where I am at. I am right now playing out ideas on how to have some compensation plan if you bring me customers and refer them. There will not be a lot of profit with just one order so my goal is to get as many customers as I can. I have yet to figure out exactly what I want to do, but there will be a compensation plan if you bring me customers. I will figure it out and if anyone as any recommendations let me know.

In the next couple of days I will be trying to be together an ALA manual. This will have suggestions, studies, and maybe even some diaries of ALA users, but I need to get their permission.

I will also be setting up a paypal account and an autoresonder... I hope to be doing business within 2 weeks. So I am keeping my fingers crossed.

Take it easy bros!
 
Sound's like a good deal, BUT......

I think the dosage is a little high per capsule. I mean, you want to take ALA with a meal to reap all of it's benefits right? Well if you eat 8 meals a day, then you'd be getting in 8g's a day. Isn't that coming a little close to pushing the toxicity levels??? I think even 5g's would be pushing it. I don't know, but I think I'm going to push for the 500mg's instead. A lot safer IMO.

Cheers
 
Verbal Gorilla said:
what is the density of the powder...cause fitting a gram of anything is going to be very hard even if you use 000 caps...

And BAC sells 50 grams for $16.50 already...and a meat store is about the last place I would call a sterile room...

Unless you are willing to buy 100+ kilos, it is probably more trouble than it is worth...
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What is BAC???
 
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