ALA and new possibilities!!!

[tyguy]

OK, here it is. I want to know what everyone honestly thinks. I am thinking about buying ALA in bulk powder and cap them at either 500mg or 1 gram caps. I would then sell a month supply (3grams a day) 90grams total for somewhere between $35-40. I have talked to some of a friend who's girlfriends dad owns a big bulk chemical dist. center and he said he may to probably be interested.

Now for the capping part, I have access to another one of my friends meat cutting shops that is clean enough to eat off the floor. There are always inspectors in there and things must be in tip top clean shape so sterlity would not be a problem. I guess the reason I am running this buy you guys is I don't want to dump some money into this and not have any interested and while I am not asking at all for gurantees, just one to see a bump or a hell yeah if you would be willing to pay between $35-$40 a month for ALA.

If there is no interest I will not take the risk. Also, and I want to know more about this. But through my research I ran into a chemical company that has R(+) ALA and although I have done tons of research I have found no definite seperation between that of S(+) and R(+) ALA. This, if it is legal, may be another road I will take. Supposedly (R)+ may have better insulin activities while the S(+) isn't as strong, and what we are commonly associated with now. If we could find and cap a stronger ALA it would be great.

Guys keep this at the top so I can get a good idea on what to do and how to approach this. A sticky would be nice but not necessary!

Tyguy

 

[cbeaks]

I would be willing to pay that price if you go through with it
cbeaks

 

[anabolicann]

id like more info and details bump bump....

 

[tyguy]

Well I am doing my homework right now, and as we speak that is the best price I have found, but if I can find some place cheaper, I will definetly pass the savings down. I don't want to make a fortune off this and would rather have a lot of people buying and making profit that way rather than have few people buying and charging a large amount, so if I can get it bulk at a cheaper price I may be able to drop the price and thus, make it more beneficial for you guys.

Also, I am thinking about making an ALA manual, with diaries, results, and along with a lot of the medical studies i have found and there are a shit load of them.

What excites me right now is the R(+) or Racenic mode of ALA and it's possibilities, but I need to hear from Fonz or Nandi12 as to the legality to it and if it is worth it.

thanks for your support!

 

[Keep it beefy]

if i remember correctly from my organic chemistry, a racemic mixture is one that contains a mixture (50/50) of different enantiomers of the same molecule. the S+ type, is just one particular enantiomer of ALA (vs R+ type, which is twodifferent types). i can see why it would make a differance because sometimes, enantiomers of the same molecule may or may not bond with other chiral molecules (ie, one enantiomer would, while the other would not). so, the better ''insulin activities'' of S+ can be explained that way, however, since it is all of one enantiomer, you may lose versatility in other arenas. although, that would probably not matter much (as insulin is one of the areas we are most interested in).

as for the legality, there is no reason on this earth why one version would be legal, and the other would not. after all, the racemic mixture is 50% S+.

 

[tyguy]

if i remember correctly from my organic chemistry, a racemic mixture is one that contains a mixture (50/50) of different enantiomers of the same molecule. the S+ type, is just one particular enantiomer of ALA (vs R+ type, which is twodifferent types). i can see why it would make a differance because sometimes, enantiomers of the same molecule may or may not bond with other chiral molecules (ie, one enantiomer would, while the other would not). so, the better ''insulin activities'' of S+ can be explained that way, however, since it is all of one enantiomer, you may lose versatility in other arenas. although, that would probably not matter much (as insulin is one of the areas we are most interested in).

as for the legality, there is no reason on this earth why one version would be legal, and the other would not. after all, the racemic mixture is 50% S+.

Thank you.... so some people may benefit from the R(+) while others may get better gains from just the S(+) depending on the versatility of the enantiomers?

 

[Keep it beefy]

Thank you.... so some people may benefit from the R(+) while others may get better gains from just the S(+) depending on the versatility of the enantiomers?

pretty much, but i was a little off in my first response, but i checked up my notes, and here's the deal:

when both enantiomers of a compound are present in equal amounts, the mixture is called a racemic, or racemate. Racemic mixtures can be symbolized by a (d/l), dexterorotary or leverorotary depending on which what they rotate light (clockwise or counter clockwise).

and with the compounds you're referring to, R+ and S+, the R+ doesn't refer to racemic. racemic would be the equal combination of both R+ and S+ enantiomers. so R+ is one enantiomer, and S+ is the other. (R and S are just ways of assigning a name to a molecule to denote which direction the residues hang off a chiral center - but nevermind that, it's just chemistry) as you said, S+ has better (for what we're interested in) interactions with insulin, so go for the S+.

as for the versatitity aspect, if they do sell a racemic mixture, that might be something to look into, because it would have both R and S types. if the R types do something the S types don't, then it may be smart to include it. if they don't really have any differances except with insulin, go with the S type.

again, it should be perfectly legal, but a racemic mixture would most likely be cheaper as the makers didn't have to separate it into R and S types.

 

[tyguy]

Tight... great info... I may buy some Racemic then and see if there is a difference. We may have something better thant he already stated benefits of ALA... or not, just have to see.


Thanks again!

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[tyguy]

Tight... great info... I may buy some Racemic then and see if there is a difference. We may have something better thant he already stated benefits of ALA... or not, just have to see.


Thanks again!

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[Verbal Gorilla]

what is the density of the powder...cause fitting a gram of anything is going to be very hard even if you use 000 caps...

And BAC sells 50 grams for $16.50 already...and a meat store is about the last place I would call a sterile room...

Unless you are willing to buy 100+ kilos, it is probably more trouble than it is worth...