AI+SERM during cycle ?

[choco]

1 – 10 Cyp 400mg/wk
1 – 12 Nolvadex 10mg ED
1 – 12 L-dex .25mg ED

This is a example cycle i have found on another board. Now I have some questions:

1)Would it be so much useful to use an AI with this low dose cycle ?
2)Do you guys use an AI with such low dose cycles?
3)When I have an AI I don`t need a SERM, so why is the nolvadex here in the cylce? whats the reason to run an AI and a SERM together in one cycle ?

last question
4) arimidex .25mg ed = how much Aromasin and how much taken is the same ?

Hope you guys do understand all my english,
Nice weekend, Greetz !!

 

[lakelandrb20]

save the nolva for pct and just run your test with .5mg adex ed

 

[choco]

Hello ?

 

[tin2]

aromasin is better then a-dex.. adex can dry out your joints , you don't need nolva during your cycle at all, it will hinder a lot of your gains.. The only time you would need it is if you had gyno. 10wks cyp 400mg/wk and 0.5 adex/day is fine.. Get some HCG and clomid for PCT .

 

[Mac173]

aromasin is better then a-dex.. adex can dry out your joints , you don't need nolva during your cycle at all, it will hinder a lot of your gains.. The only time you would need it is if you had gyno. 10wks cyp 400mg/wk and 0.5 adex/day is fine.. Get some HCG and clomid for PCT .

Using too much of any AI will dry out your joints.
I would save the nolva for PCT.

 

[Anthony Roberts]

Why plan to use an AI or a SERM before you know if you're going to suffer from Estrogen related sides?

That's like taking NyQuill before you go to bed every night, just so you don't wake up coughing...or taking an aspirin every morning so you don't get a headache later that day...or drinking beers every night just in case you meet a fat chick at 3am...

 

[Stallbro]

Why plan to use an AI or a SERM before you know if you're going to suffer from Estrogen related sides?

That's like taking NyQuill before you go to bed every night, just so you don't wake up coughing...or taking an aspirin every morning so you don't get a headache later that day...or drinking beers every night just in case you meet a fat chick at 3am...

Great post...except I have become a proponent of that last example

 

[Rickdarula]

Why plan to use an AI or a SERM before you know if you're going to suffer from Estrogen related sides?

That's like taking NyQuill before you go to bed every night, just so you don't wake up coughing...or taking an aspirin every morning so you don't get a headache later that day...or drinking beers every night just in case you meet a fat chick at 3am...

Hi Anthony,

I've heard both sides of this story before, but would really like to hear your full perspective on this matter.

One side suggests everyone take a low dose of A-dex as an insurance policy to prevent/control E-related sides before they start...gyno, edema, acne etc.

The flip side is to run without AI's/Serms and just wait and see if you have a genetic predisposition for E-related sides.

My question for you is. If someone takes the plunge with no AI's and does start to get E-related sides....then what.

For example...someone running 500mg Cyp and 300mg Deca a week with no AI.

What happens if you start to blow up like the stay puff marshmellow man and grow boobs? Do you just add the A-dex when things start to go south and everything will be OK or will you have to resort to scrambling to find other drugs and hope you can get things under control. I.E. be reactive vice proactive to a situation you could have prevented in the first place?

Aside from cost...we all know A-dex is very expensive...are the benefit(s) of running no AI truly worth the risk of developing E-related sides?

I've seen and heard enough about gyno to know that I don't want it...ever. On the same note, I don't want to continue using an AI if I dont have to.

Thanks bro, I look forward to your response.

 

[M Pwrd]

Here is my opinion from personal experiance. I agree with Anthony Roberts here that you shouldn't take it unless you know you need it however I would keep it on hand. I started getting gyno on my last cycle and I realized it and used some letro to clear it up. Now I know on 500+mg a week of test I am prone to those sides so next cycle I will run aromasin throughout. So I would say keep some anti es on hand incase but try without it first. If you start feeling a lump under your nipple then start your anti e. If you let gyno flair up to much you will probably need something strong like letro to clear it up asap.

 

[choco]

What happens if you start to blow up like the stay puff marshmellow man and grow boobs? Do you just add the A-dex when things start to go south and everything will be OK

YES !! its like M Pwrd said !!

aromasin is better then a-dex.. adex can dry out your joints ,

when you have to low estrogen your joints hurt !
its not the point if you are using aro or adex when you are surpressing your estrogen levels ! But yes i think aromasin is the best AI out there for some reasons....

Why plan to use an AI or a SERM before you know if you're going to suffer from Estrogen related sides?

THAT is my thinking too !
but these example cycles at steroid.com have all an ai or serm included! crazy for me if you dont know if the estrogen sides will fuck you up or not ! maybe it could be you dont need this extra medications !! and on the other hand too low estrogen is not good to and hinders your muscular bulking too ! and the nolvadex should only be used if you get a gyno because it have negative sides at your igf levels.
but all the example cycles and many people at steroid.com and at elitefitness are using an ai or serm but they dont know if they need it !!!!!!!!!!
thats crazy, so i thought there is another reason to take them and i havent seen an aspect so i have asked.


but i have one other question:
nolva is good to make pct, but what is with the negative aspect that nolva has on the igf levels when doing pct ? is that a BIG NEGATIVE point while doing pct? so should i be better using clomid for my pct ?

Greetz